>Sorry -- I didn't mean to gloss over this, I actually missed
>it entirely. Thank you for reposting it. My response to this
>would be: wouldn't the echo chamber effect be dulled somewhat
>if there was more transparency? Let's say Daev didn't do
>anything wrong back then. If there had been some kind of imm
>response on it other than (mostly) radio silence, the whole
>thing could have gotten straightened out. In any event, I'm
>not sure if some random putz on the internet (me) being upset
>about it counts as 'being held accountable' - he's still
>around as an imm in a quiet capacity, is he not?

Not to my knowledge.

>Well, I don't think anyone's in an uproar about some random
>newbie being spared the wrath of god. At the same time, I
>don't think a basic handbook would be too much trouble - in
>particular, for things that aren't necessarily "breaking the
>rules" but can apparently get you called into the ROTD or
>otherwise harassed. How much looting draws attention? What
>about multikilling? What about foul language -- is there
>anything that's still verboten even on something like a
>duergar or orc, races that are established to curse crudely
>all the time? If I go around dropping legitimate F bombs on a
>character instead of "farkin'" or "furgin" or whatever, is
>someone going to pull me in and say I'm going OOC? Likewise,
>what about sex references? I could see something like a fire
>giant literally threatening to rape someone, for instance.
>Basically: there are a variety of nebulous lines I've
>apparently crossed in my time on CF, and maybe I'm just
>autistic or something, but it would be nice to have the exact
>location of those lines cleared up.

The Chinese have a proverb (I am told) and it goes something like this: "The tallest tree always experiences the strongest winds."

With respect to multikilling and looting, that is pertinent. If you are clustered somewhere around the mean (average) with respect to this behavior, you probably won't get in trouble. If you're in the tail of the normal distribution you can expect to get in trouble.

How much is acceptable? I don't know there's a finite figure as this is not a static thing. It is largely colored by player perceptions. Ask around on Dios now and again and see what comes back. If you find yourself at odds with the majority (or outside their expectations) then it might be worth considering.

OOC is never recommended. Swearing in an explicit manner is never recommended though some of that can sort of be handled with RP as you mentioned.

I mean I can't really give you a play-by-play on all of these individual things. So much of it is context dependent. Are you emoting teabagging some guy's corpse after griefing him? If so, no one is going to slap a gold star on your character and proclaim your RP to be stellar.

As a rule of thumb, if you'd be upset by someone doing something to you, you probably shouldn't be doing said something to someone else. If you lack empathy or a sense of social common sense, run it by someone whose judgment you can trust.

>>This was under discussion (negative and positive ImmXp and
>>mechanical rewards, I mean) by the staff recently. We'll see
>>what comes back consensus wise. It will be a democratic
>>process though.
>
>I am pretty excited to hear this. Honestly, it might behoove
>you guys to open discussions like this to the public. That's
>just my opinion, though.

We'll see what comes back. I know it seems like the staff can be opaque and disconnected at times, but I'm often surprised how frequently player and staff interests align. Case in point: players on Dios talking about certain fairly powerful class edges less than half a day after the staff had discussed the power threshold of some edges and revised the cost.

>Yeah, I realize in retrospect this is a pretty onerous thread.
>Thanks for taking part in it, and sorry if it took up too much
>of your time. That map is hot, and looks like it was
>extremely painstaking to build (although I can think of how
>you might grab some of that information from the old wiki,
>with the original formatting, in a scripted fashion for the
>unfinished parts -- if you don't already have something like
>this/if you want, email me for more details on this and I
>might be able to pull something together for you. Believe it
>or not, I'd like to contribute something other than drama
>threads, if I can.)

The Wiki software certainly doesn't help. I was trying to write a basic parser to format Dios maps into a CF Wiki ready format, but other stuff took over.

>>#### it, maybe I'll just go learn to be fluent in Mandarin
>>instead
>
>Haha, I'd go for Sindarin myself.

I'll keep that in mind if I ever duck out of CF for good.

Oh, and one final thing. I don't know why you keep getting heckled in the game. I mean, there's a 95% chance you're doing something wrong RP-wise or shady with respect to rules on your characters. If it really, genuinely has you stumped, mail a character list to Raltevio@carrionfields.com and I will pass it up the chain for feedback. If you opt to do this, and a trend is discovered, I will pass said feedback along (though, obviously this might mean hearing criticism of your playstyle, and you'd have to be willing to accept it. If criticism isn't something you do well, probably worth leaving alone.)

I figure you cannot address what you don't understand though, if it is a case of not understanding it. In that sense this might be something to consider.