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RaltevioFri 13-Nov-15 08:04 PM
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#61560, "Alright so.."
Edited on Fri 13-Nov-15 08:31 PM

          

Since we're in the criticism business today..

1) You cite a bunch of past events as "cheating behavior" and "abuses of power". Have you witnessed any lately (last 3 or so years)? Moreover, do you have any proof other than something anecdotal?

If the answer is no. Is transparency for the sake of transparency worth losing the staff in droves over? That is one possible outcome of this line of thinking.

2) Along those lines, do you want CF to have with no governance? Do you think that is beneficial?

(Are you personally angling for anarchy? Because many of your posts hint at that as a possibility.)

3) I see a lot of accusations and rhetoric in your (fairly articulate) posts, but little of substance. You want more transparency, concrete examples of what sort of system you envisage?

If you want a new system, you need to be concrete on what sort of system that is. As best as I can tell your only concrete solution is "be visible in RoTD".

4) Do you believe all infractions and rule breaches are created equally?

Is it fair to lop off a hand for stealing a loaf of bread, metaphorically speaking? If I catch a new player (week old) passing gear on a level 8, for instance, is that the same as an experienced veteran of 15 years dumping high end gear on his alt via an intermediary?

5) Would you be happy for the staff to post logs of, say, all the behavior we have to deal with? Log things in a public forum so that people can see the crap we have to put up with on a daily basis?

Is that something you'd want with transparency? Are we happy to start logging evidence and throwing it up on a public forum every time someone posts a log of me RoTD'ing them. Maybe we should. If the staff are visible as punching bags on alternative forums, players should be equally visible and held accountable for their actions too. Would that benefit you as a player?

Also bear in mind, while players can (and will) frequently conceal their identities. Staff cannot. You're the best demonstration of that actually, since you still visibly bear a grudge against Daev many years after the fact. The point is not whether it is warranted or not, but this demonstrates that staff ARE frequently held accountable for their actions by the player base and in many cases this is a perception of the staff member that is perpetuated in an unofficial echo-chamber (like Dios) with minimal or flimsy evidence to back it up.

We should be so lucky to have the same standards of judgment applied to us as most of our players enjoy today.

Edits: Edited to ensure I do not personally promise something I cannot deliver on. And to add point about staff vs. player anonymity. Grammar and formatting.

  

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Reply I apologize for starting this thread.nt, Vonzamir, 14-Nov-15 01:52 AM, #47
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Reply RE: Time to end the ban on permas?, Umiron, 12-Nov-15 03:30 PM, #1
     Reply This is a fantastic post. nt, Akresius, 12-Nov-15 02:40 PM, #2
     Reply Agreed. NT, TMNS, 13-Nov-15 11:12 PM, #41
     Reply One small tidbit, Torak, 12-Nov-15 03:24 PM, #3
     Reply I'm not keen on warnings except, incognito, 13-Nov-15 04:09 AM, #7
     Reply Thanks for the feedback. nt, Vonzamir, 12-Nov-15 04:49 PM, #4
     Reply So much subjectivity inevitably leads to selective enfo..., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 12:36 AM, #5
     Reply On the other side of the coin, incognito, 13-Nov-15 04:07 AM, #6
     Reply RE: On the other side of the coin, Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 11:19 AM, #10
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          Reply I doubt you'd play Monopoly with your friend if he star..., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 11:28 AM, #12
               Reply I spend a lot of time in gaming parlors (a lot of relat..., Homard, 13-Nov-15 12:06 PM, #15
                    Reply Your response seems self contradictory to me., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 02:05 PM, #19
                         Reply The difference..., Homard, 13-Nov-15 02:14 PM, #20
                              Reply RE: The difference..., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 02:43 PM, #21
                                   Reply "I'm good at CF, but I'm losing because you cheated.", Artificial, 13-Nov-15 06:16 PM, #24
          Reply Holy ####. YOU REALIZE IMMS ARE PLAYERS, RIGHT?, TMNS, 13-Nov-15 10:53 PM, #35
     Reply You're one of those don't answer the cops people aren't..., Artificial, 13-Nov-15 08:57 AM, #8
     Reply No, I'm not., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 11:02 AM, #9
     Reply RE: So much subjectivity inevitably leads to selective ..., Umiron, 13-Nov-15 11:33 AM, #13
     Reply The lack of transparency in the staff is exactly why I ..., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 12:26 PM, #14
          Reply RE: The lack of transparency in the staff is exactly wh..., Umiron, 13-Nov-15 12:41 PM, #16
               Reply RE: The lack of transparency in the staff is exactly wh..., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 01:41 PM, #17
               Reply RE: The lack of transparency in the staff is exactly wh..., Jormyr, 13-Nov-15 07:32 PM, #26
               Reply #### you for not having ME killed by Biff!, TMNS, 13-Nov-15 11:12 PM, #32
               Reply Beastly fido!, KaguMaru, 14-Nov-15 08:25 PM, #67
               Reply I vote! , Demos, 14-Nov-15 12:01 AM, #43
               Reply RE: The lack of transparency in the staff is exactly wh..., N b M, 13-Nov-15 01:48 PM, #18
               Reply I'll second this...., Tac, 13-Nov-15 04:41 PM, #22
                    Reply RE: I'll second this...., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 05:22 PM, #23
                         Reply What I'm hearing you say is..., Tac, 13-Nov-15 07:22 PM, #25
               Reply Ouch, Vorek (Anonymous), 16-Nov-15 09:26 AM, #70
     Reply Alright so.., Raltevio, 13-Nov-15 08:31 PM #27
     Reply RE: Alright so.., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 09:01 PM, #28
     Reply Sounds like you should just IMM. , Lhydia, 13-Nov-15 09:49 PM, #29
     Reply RE: Sounds like you should just IMM. , Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 10:44 PM, #33
          Reply RE: Sounds like you should just IMM. , Isildur, 13-Nov-15 11:00 PM, #38
          Reply You realize his wife no longer plays, right?, TMNS, 13-Nov-15 11:03 PM, #39
          Reply It was a joke., Anonymous1, 14-Nov-15 07:31 AM, #58
          Reply You have official become worth my time for a single pos..., Destuvius, 14-Nov-15 01:57 AM, #48
          Reply I think I speak for 99% of the playerbase here when I s..., Gaplemo, 14-Nov-15 06:00 AM, #56
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          Reply How is it?, Doof, 14-Nov-15 04:39 AM, #55
          Reply RE: Sounds like you should just IMM. , Demos, 14-Nov-15 09:58 AM, #64
     Reply RE: Alright so.., Isildur, 13-Nov-15 10:04 PM, #30
     Reply RE: Alright so.., Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 01:45 AM, #46
     Reply Wow cool world map. Big thumbs up! (nt), Bemused, 14-Nov-15 02:38 AM, #50
     Reply Yeah, too bad it isn't functional right now., Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 03:09 AM, #52
     Reply RE: Alright so.., Anonymous1, 14-Nov-15 08:01 AM, #59
     Reply RE: Alright so.., Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 09:11 AM, #62
          Reply Directly parsing map files would do way better NT, Kstatida, 16-Nov-15 07:36 AM, #69
               Reply Maybe., Raltevio, 17-Nov-15 08:48 AM, #72
                    Reply Wiki software, Anonymous1, 17-Nov-15 03:22 PM, #73
     Reply Feel free to enlist players..., Torak, 14-Nov-15 06:12 PM, #66
          Reply Yeah. I've tried on a couple of occasions.., Raltevio, 17-Nov-15 08:41 AM, #71
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               Reply Are you able to upload pictures?, Onewingedangel, 17-Nov-15 06:15 PM, #75
                    Reply Yes., Raltevio, 18-Nov-15 02:36 AM, #76
     Reply Wow. You are an idiot, incognito, 14-Nov-15 03:37 AM, #51
     Reply Cabdru was more than 9 years ago. nt, DurNominator, 15-Nov-15 08:15 PM, #68
     Reply Personally...I would love if IMMs started posting RotD ..., TMNS, 13-Nov-15 10:59 PM, #37
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               Reply I actually thought you handled it not badly., TMNS, 14-Nov-15 03:11 AM, #53
                    Reply I can't recall a specific instance.. but I wouldn't be ..., Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 03:23 AM, #54
                    Reply ROTD, Anonymous1, 14-Nov-15 08:07 AM, #60
     Reply You're hilarious. In a bad way., TMNS, 13-Nov-15 10:47 PM, #34
     Reply Very productive response. I rate it 10/10., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 10:55 PM, #36
          Reply Where's your evidence about cheating? About nepotism?, TMNS, 13-Nov-15 11:10 PM, #40
     Reply This is not a democracy. Period., Knac, 13-Nov-15 11:56 PM, #42
     Reply As far as I can remember I've never broken nor been pun..., Anonymous1, 14-Nov-15 08:30 AM, #61
          Reply Meh., Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 09:20 AM, #63
               Reply Sorry., Anonymous1, 14-Nov-15 10:31 AM, #65
     Reply Let it go!, Jarmel, 14-Nov-15 12:11 AM, #44
     Reply RE: Time to end the ban on permas?, Isildur, 13-Nov-15 10:07 PM, #31
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