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JormyrFri 13-Nov-15 07:32 PM
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#61559, "RE: The lack of transparency in the staff is exactly why I use this handle."


          

>>I'm fond of sleuthing people based on IP? I don't know what
>>to say besides that I'm probably the most lenient and
>>conservative staff member who currently has the ability to see
>>IPs and/or ban people. If I have such a reputation it's news
>>to me, and surprising. Doubly so, in fact, because most of
>>the players I "sleuth" accuse me of being Valg or Baer.

>Yes. In your own words:
>
>http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=6&topic_id=60716&mesg_id=60739&page=
>
>If only you could be held accountable in the same way you like
>to hold other people accountable for their words and actions.
>Wouldn't that be something . FWIW, I don't think you're Valg
> you're not a big enough asshole) or Baer (you are too
>competent and technical.) If I had to pin an identity on you
>other than your own, it would be Nep, but I don't think you're
>him either. You sometimes do a good job imitating his
>purposefully opaque explanations of game mechanics, though.

Ultimately, there's a difference between being *able* to research an associate a player with past characters, and constantly doing so. Overall, the system is designed to allow BOTH Immortals and players the separation between past characters. It takes a specific desire and effort to make these associations, which in day-to-day business isn't needed or wanted. That extra effort is done when that information is beneficial to what's going on, such as in his above post where Umiron states he will do some snooping to get context as towards the poster's sensibilities. Similarly, in a rules violation where we need to know whether we're dealing with a consistent/repeat offender. As a perfect example of taking each as they come, there's at least one very active player that if I'm correct, had once been a trouble-maker and banned for quite a time. They've since come back, have not been problems, and so is treated as any other character would be.

>>Nep cheating et al
>
>It is a fact, but if you weren't around for it I can
>understand why you wouldn't take me at my word (or care too
>much about it). I realize it's "old news" at this point but
>keep in mind I'm using it as a great example of why
>transparency and accountability are hugely important,
>especially since he (as far as we as a playerbase know) never
>faced any consequences for it. I do get that this is a hobby
>and you are effectively a volunteer - you're a prolific coder
>and, regardless of how big of an asshole you might think I've
>been in this thread, I do respect and appreciate that. I'm
>simply arguing that this doesn't exempt anyone from being held
>accountable for the things they do, especially if they're in a
>position of authority.

I've played CF for 20 years, but most as a player, so I'm just going to pass on any Nepenthe topic given I was a player any of those times.

>>Staff members have been caught cheating and forced to leave
>in the >past. All I can say is that in my time here, it's
>never happened and >nor has anything been swept under a rug to
>my knowledge. In that >regard, I think we have a fantastic
>team these days.
>
>Oh? Which ones? This is the first time I've seen you guys
>publicly cop to this literally ever. This is exactly the sort
>of thing that should be public knowledge. I've seen tons of
>silly, whimsical echoes that shame players who have been
>denied for rulebreaking -- interesting that this doesn't seem
>to happen when it's an imm.

Again, I've not been around to be involved in such, but as a business Manager, but no private business I've ever been involved in have we ever had a policy of publicly informing "customers" of what repercussions occurred to "staff" in an incident. Sometimes a punishment is firing, sometimes it's dock in pay, sometimes it's lack of promotion. If they remain on "staff", it's never done good to air that laundry. It's handled one way or another, and moved on. Similarly, if a player gets punished for cheating, we don't air that to the world for the vast majority of offenses. Dock in exp, or slay, or whatever according punishment, then move on. As far as cheater gechoes, I've ONLY ever seen them on denied characters, which said characters no longer exist. No-one ever sees "TMNS gets eaten by an angry fido" or "Isildur got whacked by Biff Plankenchest", etc. (Names picked at random, no offense guys).

  

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HOT Locked TopicTime to end the ban on permas? [View all] , Vonzamir, Thu 12-Nov-15 01:58 PM
Reply I apologize for starting this thread.nt, Vonzamir, 14-Nov-15 01:52 AM, #47
Reply ARE YOU HAPPY NOW VONZAMIR?!!!!11, Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 02:16 AM, #49
Reply RE: Time to end the ban on permas?, Umiron, 12-Nov-15 03:30 PM, #1
     Reply This is a fantastic post. nt, Akresius, 12-Nov-15 02:40 PM, #2
     Reply Agreed. NT, TMNS, 13-Nov-15 11:12 PM, #41
     Reply One small tidbit, Torak, 12-Nov-15 03:24 PM, #3
     Reply I'm not keen on warnings except, incognito, 13-Nov-15 04:09 AM, #7
     Reply Thanks for the feedback. nt, Vonzamir, 12-Nov-15 04:49 PM, #4
     Reply So much subjectivity inevitably leads to selective enfo..., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 12:36 AM, #5
     Reply On the other side of the coin, incognito, 13-Nov-15 04:07 AM, #6
     Reply RE: On the other side of the coin, Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 11:19 AM, #10
          Reply Some of you guys take this text-based adventure-game wa..., Homard, 13-Nov-15 11:22 AM, #11
          Reply I doubt you'd play Monopoly with your friend if he star..., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 11:28 AM, #12
               Reply I spend a lot of time in gaming parlors (a lot of relat..., Homard, 13-Nov-15 12:06 PM, #15
                    Reply Your response seems self contradictory to me., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 02:05 PM, #19
                         Reply The difference..., Homard, 13-Nov-15 02:14 PM, #20
                              Reply RE: The difference..., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 02:43 PM, #21
                                   Reply "I'm good at CF, but I'm losing because you cheated.", Artificial, 13-Nov-15 06:16 PM, #24
          Reply Holy ####. YOU REALIZE IMMS ARE PLAYERS, RIGHT?, TMNS, 13-Nov-15 10:53 PM, #35
     Reply You're one of those don't answer the cops people aren't..., Artificial, 13-Nov-15 08:57 AM, #8
     Reply No, I'm not., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 11:02 AM, #9
     Reply RE: So much subjectivity inevitably leads to selective ..., Umiron, 13-Nov-15 11:33 AM, #13
     Reply The lack of transparency in the staff is exactly why I ..., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 12:26 PM, #14
          Reply RE: The lack of transparency in the staff is exactly wh..., Umiron, 13-Nov-15 12:41 PM, #16
               Reply RE: The lack of transparency in the staff is exactly wh..., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 01:41 PM, #17
               Reply RE: The lack of transparency in the staff is exactly wh..., Jormyr, 13-Nov-15 07:32 PM #26
               Reply #### you for not having ME killed by Biff!, TMNS, 13-Nov-15 11:12 PM, #32
               Reply Beastly fido!, KaguMaru, 14-Nov-15 08:25 PM, #67
               Reply I vote! , Demos, 14-Nov-15 12:01 AM, #43
               Reply RE: The lack of transparency in the staff is exactly wh..., N b M, 13-Nov-15 01:48 PM, #18
               Reply I'll second this...., Tac, 13-Nov-15 04:41 PM, #22
                    Reply RE: I'll second this...., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 05:22 PM, #23
                         Reply What I'm hearing you say is..., Tac, 13-Nov-15 07:22 PM, #25
               Reply Ouch, Vorek (Anonymous), 16-Nov-15 09:26 AM, #70
     Reply Alright so.., Raltevio, 13-Nov-15 08:31 PM, #27
     Reply RE: Alright so.., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 09:01 PM, #28
     Reply Sounds like you should just IMM. , Lhydia, 13-Nov-15 09:49 PM, #29
     Reply RE: Sounds like you should just IMM. , Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 10:44 PM, #33
          Reply RE: Sounds like you should just IMM. , Isildur, 13-Nov-15 11:00 PM, #38
          Reply You realize his wife no longer plays, right?, TMNS, 13-Nov-15 11:03 PM, #39
          Reply It was a joke., Anonymous1, 14-Nov-15 07:31 AM, #58
          Reply You have official become worth my time for a single pos..., Destuvius, 14-Nov-15 01:57 AM, #48
          Reply I think I speak for 99% of the playerbase here when I s..., Gaplemo, 14-Nov-15 06:00 AM, #56
          Reply I have a hard time resisting the urge to be a jerk to J..., Anonymous1, 14-Nov-15 08:29 AM, #57
          Reply How is it?, Doof, 14-Nov-15 04:39 AM, #55
          Reply RE: Sounds like you should just IMM. , Demos, 14-Nov-15 09:58 AM, #64
     Reply RE: Alright so.., Isildur, 13-Nov-15 10:04 PM, #30
     Reply RE: Alright so.., Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 01:45 AM, #46
     Reply Wow cool world map. Big thumbs up! (nt), Bemused, 14-Nov-15 02:38 AM, #50
     Reply Yeah, too bad it isn't functional right now., Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 03:09 AM, #52
     Reply RE: Alright so.., Anonymous1, 14-Nov-15 08:01 AM, #59
     Reply RE: Alright so.., Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 09:11 AM, #62
          Reply Directly parsing map files would do way better NT, Kstatida, 16-Nov-15 07:36 AM, #69
               Reply Maybe., Raltevio, 17-Nov-15 08:48 AM, #72
                    Reply Wiki software, Anonymous1, 17-Nov-15 03:22 PM, #73
     Reply Feel free to enlist players..., Torak, 14-Nov-15 06:12 PM, #66
          Reply Yeah. I've tried on a couple of occasions.., Raltevio, 17-Nov-15 08:41 AM, #71
               Reply Double post., Onewingedangel, 17-Nov-15 06:16 PM, #74
               Reply Are you able to upload pictures?, Onewingedangel, 17-Nov-15 06:15 PM, #75
                    Reply Yes., Raltevio, 18-Nov-15 02:36 AM, #76
     Reply Wow. You are an idiot, incognito, 14-Nov-15 03:37 AM, #51
     Reply Cabdru was more than 9 years ago. nt, DurNominator, 15-Nov-15 08:15 PM, #68
     Reply Personally...I would love if IMMs started posting RotD ..., TMNS, 13-Nov-15 10:59 PM, #37
          Reply I'll be blunt.., Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 12:25 AM, #45
               Reply I actually thought you handled it not badly., TMNS, 14-Nov-15 03:11 AM, #53
                    Reply I can't recall a specific instance.. but I wouldn't be ..., Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 03:23 AM, #54
                    Reply ROTD, Anonymous1, 14-Nov-15 08:07 AM, #60
     Reply You're hilarious. In a bad way., TMNS, 13-Nov-15 10:47 PM, #34
     Reply Very productive response. I rate it 10/10., Anonymous1, 13-Nov-15 10:55 PM, #36
          Reply Where's your evidence about cheating? About nepotism?, TMNS, 13-Nov-15 11:10 PM, #40
     Reply This is not a democracy. Period., Knac, 13-Nov-15 11:56 PM, #42
     Reply As far as I can remember I've never broken nor been pun..., Anonymous1, 14-Nov-15 08:30 AM, #61
          Reply Meh., Raltevio, 14-Nov-15 09:20 AM, #63
               Reply Sorry., Anonymous1, 14-Nov-15 10:31 AM, #65
     Reply Let it go!, Jarmel, 14-Nov-15 12:11 AM, #44
     Reply RE: Time to end the ban on permas?, Isildur, 13-Nov-15 10:07 PM, #31
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