Alston | Thu 14-Jun-12 11:36 AM |
Member since 07th Sep 2011
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#45845, "To your points."
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You wrote : 1. The ranger can permalag, but the assassin can't. Played well on the ranger's part, the assassin's choice to mark may cost him his life.
Only some rangers can permalag in some niche circumstances. Their ability to permalag can also be countered with preps, the evade skill (which is typically highly developed in an assassin by the time a ranger can effectivly lag) and assassin specific edges. So in short assassins can not be permalaged.
You wrote: 2. The ranger also knows at least one weapon the assassin does not. Makes it likely the ranger will win in a slug fest.
The ranger, being unable to effectivly lag an assassin will not be holding that weapon. In the event he manages to lag the assassin those weapons are easily dodged. Assassins dodge very well already and have edges that let them dodge even better.
You wrote: 3. The assassin can maledict and the ranger, relatively, can't. Increases assassin's chances when the fight draws out.
Exactly.
You wrote: 4. The ranger can use staves and scrolls, and the assassin cannot. DR advantage to the ranger when the fight draws out.
The rangers that permalag can not use scrolls, and assassins can use preps that give the same DR as any scroll. Staves have tremendous lag and cost a weapon/shield slot to use. In the time it takes to brandish again, you have a broken wrist. Rangers have one edge that gives them a little boost with talismans but it's not a game changer that I can see.
You wrote: 5. Both classes dodge extremely well (in the wilds) and both can heal themselves and escape quickly (pathfinding and vanish). So the battles can take some time without the old flee/quaff.
Assassins dodge better in more places than rangers do. Assassins dodge better in the wilds than some rangers do. Especially with some assassin/racial edges. Herbs has a very very long lag and the ranger has to run far to safely use it. By the time he returns the assassin is likely to be in fighting shape, unable to be surprised and ready to put the same amount or more hurt on you since if he managed to mark you, you can't burst damage on him except with a very niche build or call lightning, which not all rangers have. The fight is effectvly over for most ranger assassin match ups when the mark is placed. For me at least.
My own addition to this with regard to perma lag. It requires preps that can be counter prepped and if you are a cloud you have the disadcantage of being highly vuln to a very common attack type.
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(EDITED) Re: Mark of the Prey. Could we discuss changin...
[View all] , Alston, Thu 14-Jun-12 10:26 AM
One change i would love to see with mark,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
14-Jun-12 06:33 PM, #46
Sold. Done. (n/t),
Daevryn,
14-Jun-12 06:58 PM, #48
Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awful po...,
Quixotic,
14-Jun-12 07:31 PM, #50
Lesser Troll. n/t,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 07:35 PM, #51
Per Ray, he is stoned out of his gourd. I advocate clea...,
Quixotic,
14-Jun-12 09:01 PM, #54
Here is my line of thinking,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
15-Jun-12 05:15 AM, #55
Sure,
Quixotic,
15-Jun-12 06:23 AM, #56
Just like people are telling me that a ranger needs to ...,
Alston,
15-Jun-12 08:38 AM, #57
RE:adaptation,
Quixotic,
15-Jun-12 10:48 AM, #58
Not all ranger can do the things you sited. Most can't ...,
Alston,
16-Jun-12 09:14 AM, #63
RE: Not all ranger can do the things you sited. Most ca...,
Daevryn,
16-Jun-12 09:57 AM, #64
I'm just pointing out that not all rangers have the ski...,
Alston,
16-Jun-12 03:52 PM, #67
RE: I'm just pointing out that not all rangers have the...,
Daevryn,
16-Jun-12 07:38 PM, #68
What I am pointing out is that MotP cancels out the ran...,
Alston,
16-Jun-12 09:15 PM, #69
Its not that cut and dry,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
15-Jun-12 04:42 PM, #59
As a nexus ranger going against battle, you have it the...,
Quixotic,
15-Jun-12 09:59 PM, #61
RE: Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awfu...,
Daevryn,
15-Jun-12 09:43 PM, #60
RE: logic,
Quixotic,
15-Jun-12 10:04 PM, #62
RE: Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awfu...,
Marcus_,
16-Jun-12 10:00 AM, #65
RE: Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awfu...,
Daevryn,
16-Jun-12 10:23 AM, #66
Assassin Magic,
Tsunami,
17-Jun-12 12:30 PM, #70
What about ambush if the assassin is blinded? ,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 08:14 PM, #52
Thank you kindly good sir. NT,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
14-Jun-12 08:41 PM, #53
RE: (EDITED) Re: Mark of the Prey. Could we discuss cha...,
Daevryn,
14-Jun-12 01:52 PM, #10
I do see it. And I think it's over powered for an alrea...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:37 PM, #17
Shamans,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 02:40 PM, #18
I don't fight shamans with any character. :) Run away! ...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:44 PM, #20
Yeah,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 02:51 PM, #24
Seriously?,
Homard,
14-Jun-12 02:49 PM, #21
I assume every assassin I fail to dirt kick has marked ...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 03:28 PM, #27
Don't dirt kick.,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 03:34 PM, #28
Yes dirt kick.,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 03:57 PM, #30
Well,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 04:37 PM, #33
Return to what?,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 04:48 PM, #36
After,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 05:10 PM, #40
I'll give you time to think about this. :) n/t,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 05:19 PM, #42
Ah,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 05:25 PM, #43
You assume a lot.,
Homard,
14-Jun-12 04:16 PM, #32
Gee I wonder why?,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 04:39 PM, #34
Again, you assume.,
Homard,
14-Jun-12 04:44 PM, #35
I never said it's an I win. I said it's an I quit. Also,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 04:56 PM, #38
Incorrect.,
Homard,
14-Jun-12 05:13 PM, #41
Here I think is the disconnect:,
Daevryn,
14-Jun-12 04:03 PM, #31
Hold that thought. I want to find something for you. b...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 04:50 PM, #37
Well I can't remember the character, but Ambush is not ...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 05:00 PM, #39
RE: Well I can't remember the character, but Ambush is ...,
Daevryn,
14-Jun-12 05:55 PM, #45
Having played a few rangers...,
Balta,
14-Jun-12 05:47 PM, #44
RE: (EDITED) Re: Mark of the Prey. Could we discuss cha...,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 11:19 AM, #1
To your points.,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 11:36 AM #2
If the assassin had no chance ...,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 11:58 AM, #3
My suggestions do not give an assassin no chance.,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 12:29 PM, #4
Average players,
Tac,
14-Jun-12 01:18 PM, #5
You troll.,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 01:27 PM, #6
You lost to an assassin in the woods with your ranger.....,
Tac,
14-Jun-12 01:51 PM, #9
RE: You lost to an assassin in the woods with your rang...,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 01:59 PM, #11
Talking rangers is fun....,
Tac,
14-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #12
Thank you for pointing out the weakness of rangers make...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:23 PM, #14
I think the solution is to play evil ,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 02:51 PM, #23
Two things. Look at the PBFs Ranger's vs Assassins and....,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:24 PM, #15
PK Stats,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 02:36 PM, #16
So what you are saying is Assassins come out on top and...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:43 PM, #19
No...,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 02:50 PM, #22
I'm not sure how you are doing it but see what the numb...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 03:04 PM, #25
Sure,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 03:25 PM, #26
I'm was hoping for over all, but thanks and...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 03:35 PM, #29
You don't get it. You didn't read what I wrote.,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #13
And what advice ...,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 01:36 PM, #7
Assassins are at the very least equal to any ranger in ...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 01:50 PM, #8
After you deleted an animist that had third attack...,
TMNS,
14-Jun-12 06:57 PM, #47
Animists need the option to go evil :) n/t,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 07:27 PM, #49
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