Malakhi | Thu 14-Jun-12 11:19 AM |
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#45844, "RE: (EDITED) Re: Mark of the Prey. Could we discuss changing this some how? Ideas enclosed."
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>Assassins have so many tools for fighting rangers(And every >other class) already that I feel they don't need to be able to >nullify the rangers biggest offensive move and defensive >ability with a 10th level skill. Perhaps allow the >ranger/Outie to camouflage but not ambush. > >My most PK successful character was a Dark-elven assassin that >more or less feasted on rangers in their natural habitat. >Enough so that I was able to gather a couple edges from PK's >alone. That's huge for me! > >The skill just seems magical to me. Certainly more powerful >than it should be on a class that's already amazing in all >arenas. >
Re: the above, IMO assassin v. ranger, post-wilderness fam, is one of the most fun matchups in the game with two determined opponents. I think it's slightly tilted in favor of the ranger, but requires some cleverness and guts from both sides. Removing mark from that equation will disrupt something that is working.
For RobDarken's benefit, the bases for my opinion are:
1. The ranger can permalag, but the assassin can't. Played well on the ranger's part, the assassin's choice to mark may cost him his life.
2. The ranger also knows at least one weapon the assassin does not. Makes it likely the ranger will win in a slug fest.
3. The assassin can maledict and the ranger, relatively, can't. Increases assassin's chances when the fight draws out.
4. The ranger can use staves and scrolls, and the assassin cannot. DR advantage to the ranger when the fight draws out.
5. Both classes dodge extremely well (in the wilds) and both can heal themselves and escape quickly (pathfinding and vanish). So the battles can take some time without the old flee/quaff.
6. And finally, pertinent to your point: both classes can see each other at all times in the wild - it's the best chance they have to kill each other so both are encouraged to stick around as long as possible. If you remove mark from the equation, the assassin will just try to assassinate the rare times the ranger is in the open, effectively killing one of the most fun matchups in the game.
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(EDITED) Re: Mark of the Prey. Could we discuss changin...
[View all] , Alston, Thu 14-Jun-12 10:26 AM
One change i would love to see with mark,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
14-Jun-12 06:33 PM, #46
Sold. Done. (n/t),
Daevryn,
14-Jun-12 06:58 PM, #48
Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awful po...,
Quixotic,
14-Jun-12 07:31 PM, #50
Lesser Troll. n/t,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 07:35 PM, #51
Per Ray, he is stoned out of his gourd. I advocate clea...,
Quixotic,
14-Jun-12 09:01 PM, #54
Here is my line of thinking,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
15-Jun-12 05:15 AM, #55
Sure,
Quixotic,
15-Jun-12 06:23 AM, #56
Just like people are telling me that a ranger needs to ...,
Alston,
15-Jun-12 08:38 AM, #57
RE:adaptation,
Quixotic,
15-Jun-12 10:48 AM, #58
Not all ranger can do the things you sited. Most can't ...,
Alston,
16-Jun-12 09:14 AM, #63
RE: Not all ranger can do the things you sited. Most ca...,
Daevryn,
16-Jun-12 09:57 AM, #64
I'm just pointing out that not all rangers have the ski...,
Alston,
16-Jun-12 03:52 PM, #67
RE: I'm just pointing out that not all rangers have the...,
Daevryn,
16-Jun-12 07:38 PM, #68
What I am pointing out is that MotP cancels out the ran...,
Alston,
16-Jun-12 09:15 PM, #69
Its not that cut and dry,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
15-Jun-12 04:42 PM, #59
As a nexus ranger going against battle, you have it the...,
Quixotic,
15-Jun-12 09:59 PM, #61
RE: Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awfu...,
Daevryn,
15-Jun-12 09:43 PM, #60
RE: logic,
Quixotic,
15-Jun-12 10:04 PM, #62
RE: Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awfu...,
Marcus_,
16-Jun-12 10:00 AM, #65
RE: Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awfu...,
Daevryn,
16-Jun-12 10:23 AM, #66
Assassin Magic,
Tsunami,
17-Jun-12 12:30 PM, #70
What about ambush if the assassin is blinded? ,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 08:14 PM, #52
Thank you kindly good sir. NT,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
14-Jun-12 08:41 PM, #53
RE: (EDITED) Re: Mark of the Prey. Could we discuss cha...,
Daevryn,
14-Jun-12 01:52 PM, #10
I do see it. And I think it's over powered for an alrea...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:37 PM, #17
Shamans,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 02:40 PM, #18
I don't fight shamans with any character. :) Run away! ...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:44 PM, #20
Yeah,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 02:51 PM, #24
Seriously?,
Homard,
14-Jun-12 02:49 PM, #21
I assume every assassin I fail to dirt kick has marked ...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 03:28 PM, #27
Don't dirt kick.,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 03:34 PM, #28
Yes dirt kick.,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 03:57 PM, #30
Well,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 04:37 PM, #33
Return to what?,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 04:48 PM, #36
After,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 05:10 PM, #40
I'll give you time to think about this. :) n/t,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 05:19 PM, #42
Ah,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 05:25 PM, #43
You assume a lot.,
Homard,
14-Jun-12 04:16 PM, #32
Gee I wonder why?,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 04:39 PM, #34
Again, you assume.,
Homard,
14-Jun-12 04:44 PM, #35
I never said it's an I win. I said it's an I quit. Also,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 04:56 PM, #38
Incorrect.,
Homard,
14-Jun-12 05:13 PM, #41
Here I think is the disconnect:,
Daevryn,
14-Jun-12 04:03 PM, #31
Hold that thought. I want to find something for you. b...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 04:50 PM, #37
Well I can't remember the character, but Ambush is not ...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 05:00 PM, #39
RE: Well I can't remember the character, but Ambush is ...,
Daevryn,
14-Jun-12 05:55 PM, #45
Having played a few rangers...,
Balta,
14-Jun-12 05:47 PM, #44
RE: (EDITED) Re: Mark of the Prey. Could we discuss cha...,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 11:19 AM #1
To your points.,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 11:36 AM, #2
If the assassin had no chance ...,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 11:58 AM, #3
My suggestions do not give an assassin no chance.,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 12:29 PM, #4
Average players,
Tac,
14-Jun-12 01:18 PM, #5
You troll.,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 01:27 PM, #6
You lost to an assassin in the woods with your ranger.....,
Tac,
14-Jun-12 01:51 PM, #9
RE: You lost to an assassin in the woods with your rang...,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 01:59 PM, #11
Talking rangers is fun....,
Tac,
14-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #12
Thank you for pointing out the weakness of rangers make...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:23 PM, #14
I think the solution is to play evil ,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 02:51 PM, #23
Two things. Look at the PBFs Ranger's vs Assassins and....,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:24 PM, #15
PK Stats,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 02:36 PM, #16
So what you are saying is Assassins come out on top and...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:43 PM, #19
No...,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 02:50 PM, #22
I'm not sure how you are doing it but see what the numb...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 03:04 PM, #25
Sure,
Tsunami,
14-Jun-12 03:25 PM, #26
I'm was hoping for over all, but thanks and...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 03:35 PM, #29
You don't get it. You didn't read what I wrote.,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #13
And what advice ...,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 01:36 PM, #7
Assassins are at the very least equal to any ranger in ...,
Alston,
14-Jun-12 01:50 PM, #8
After you deleted an animist that had third attack...,
TMNS,
14-Jun-12 06:57 PM, #47
Animists need the option to go evil :) n/t,
Malakhi,
14-Jun-12 07:27 PM, #49
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