Krathreal | Wed 04-Jan-12 02:54 AM |
Member since 23rd Aug 2008
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#42367, "A suggestion"
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Here I am, prowling the forums like some sort of ghost. But here is my thoughts.
I played off and on since 1997. The last real character I had was a Cloud Giant Warrior Hero, and before that was a Gnome Invoker in the spire. Mix in some Ragers before those, and thats pretty my list of characters.
But with those characters, and reading through most of this post, it started me to think. What is it people value about this MUD that keeps them coming back? And the third question, why do the Immortals continue to do what they do, and why do they want to protect it so?
For some, its exploration. Others, its PK. Me, its a combination of both. I do not have any time these days to roll up a serious character, but the desire always remains to explore the new areas that have been implemented. And thus, the problem of not having enough time to get a character to the point to check out all of those cool places (the new Tiamat liar included).
I also miss the bonds of friendship by joining the Cabals, and working alongside other people, exploring, pking, raiding, ect. The dwindling number of people is a concern, and I agree we may never see the 100 plus people online at once like when I first started playing.
That being said, I also understand that the Immortals who add to this game wish to protect what they have created. They want to protect the puzzles they worked tirelessly to create, so that others could take the time to figure them out. They enjoy the fact other people enjoy the game as it is, and wish to keep it fair and balanced for all who want to play/explore. And continue to add to the game that we have all come to like so much.
I can understand that people don't want to spend hours exploring, looking for things. It is human nature to take the easy way out. But I also know that the newbies that start the game are at a serious disadvantage when it comes to exploring, to get that upper edge, and learn how to find those things on their own.
At first, I thought that removing all preps was a horrible idea. Invokers would get the upper hand on Warriors being stuck in quicksand (no flight), Transmuters and RBW would be more prevalent, and some fights that would last for minutes would be reduced to a few rounds (see Gnome shapeshifter out of form vs RBW with mace Spec, 3 round dead Gnome). The list goes on.
But thinking about it further, the classes have always had good matchups vs bad matchups across the board. It always comes down to timining and tactics. Sure, the Gnome might have quicksand vs a warrior with no flight, but the Gnome still has to worry about tripping/bashing/lagging specs/class lagging abilities. But that is the risk that the Gnome invoker has to take. There is good and bad in every matchup.
Prepping helps take some of the guesswork out of the game. Flight to prevent tripping, damage reduction to help mitigate the RBW, ect. Finding the right preps for the situations takes time and effort. Gathering can sometimes take longer.
That being said, I would like to make the following suggestion. I would like to say now that my goal is to make the game more newbie friendly towards exploration, but also increase the difficulity of access to ABS when it is used for PK.
Sleek Wand System - Make this accessable to everyone (only for mage use though), and maybe even create a list that a mage can go explore and find those sleek wands. Keep the wands limited, so that people have to choose what they want to keep in their inventory.
Here is the spin on it though: Make the protections that the sleek wands give work only for PvE. Remove the protective properties when it comes to PK. So a person may use that sleek wand for barrier, but that barrier does nothing when it comes to PvP fighting. This is along the idea of Khadrath's Planar Sanctum, where Barrier is accessable, but only usable in that area.
Other non-limited preps, like flight, stoneskin, ect. Keep them as they are, and let them work in both PvE and PvP. These are not game changers, but they do have value in planning and execution.
Other Limited ABS - Keep these sources working for both PvE and PvP.
My goal here is to promote exploration for the newbie generation into those areas that would be too dangerous normally. There are downsides, I know, but
The goal here is to help people learn the mage classes, and give them a way to go out exploring, removing some of the risk
I do not know how horrible of an idea this is, or the scope of implementing this would be. I am just trying to help both those who do not have the time to sink into this game (like me), and help the newbies get some help to explore both the game and the limitations of the classes.
Krathreal
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Wand lists, etc.
[View all] , tongni12, Tue 03-Jan-12 03:22 PM
A suggestion,
Krathreal,
04-Jan-12 02:54 AM #138
Don't worry...,
Jhyrbian,
03-Jan-12 02:56 AM, #136
RE: Don't worry...,
Eskelian,
26-Jan-12 04:59 AM, #144
Don't worry...,
Zulghinlour,
29-Dec-11 07:54 PM, #100
Rolling a rager. nt,
Artificial,
29-Dec-11 07:58 PM, #2
Right on lets do dis #### nt,
Runaktla,
31-Dec-11 10:07 PM, #107
Ah, the Napalm strategy.,
TMNS,
29-Dec-11 07:59 PM, #3
I'm not joking...,
Zulghinlour,
29-Dec-11 08:04 PM, #4
On the contrary, it's a win/win,
Tsunami,
29-Dec-11 08:07 PM, #6
I love you, so please don't take this as argumentative.,
TMNS,
29-Dec-11 08:11 PM, #7
RE: I love you, so please don't take this as argumentat...,
Isildur,
29-Dec-11 08:36 PM, #13
Again, this involves treating the symptoms, not the dis...,
TMNS,
29-Dec-11 08:53 PM, #16
RE: Again, this involves treating the symptoms, not the...,
Isildur,
29-Dec-11 09:01 PM, #17
Sulye would have been nerfed or denied under what I pro...,
TMNS,
30-Dec-11 05:04 AM, #35
RE: Sulye would have been nerfed or denied under what I...,
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 09:47 AM, #42
Forgive me. I was drunk last night. Thank god I didn'...,
TMNS,
30-Dec-11 01:21 PM, #78
I like this idea,
Elerosse,
29-Dec-11 08:24 PM, #10
Depends:,
tongni12,
29-Dec-11 08:40 PM, #14
RE: Depends:,
Daevryn,
30-Dec-11 12:19 AM, #28
And you say we players are emotional.,
TMNS,
30-Dec-11 05:09 AM, #36
Its like the doomsday switch,
Oldril,
31-Dec-11 05:36 PM, #101
Best. Santa Zulg. Ever.,
Scrimbul,
29-Dec-11 11:15 PM, #24
Yep,
AXera,
29-Dec-11 11:53 PM, #26
This is assuming a LOT.,
Tesline,
04-Jan-12 01:42 PM, #139
How is this any better than just making the prep knowle...,
Gaplemo,
29-Dec-11 11:41 PM, #25
RE: How is this any better than just making the prep kn...,
Daevryn,
30-Dec-11 12:18 AM, #27
RE: How is this any better than just making the prep kn...,
Malakhi,
30-Dec-11 12:49 AM, #29
Of course,
Gaplemo,
30-Dec-11 01:21 AM, #32
Why not just stop all the secrecy then?,
Oldril,
31-Dec-11 05:37 PM, #102
That's naive,
incognito,
01-Jan-12 07:08 AM, #110
Of course.,
Oldril,
02-Jan-12 12:54 AM, #120
RE: Of course.,
incognito,
02-Jan-12 07:03 PM, #133
It's about damn time,
Grudan,
30-Dec-11 05:01 AM, #34
I like this idea IF.... You leave the store bought prep...,
Alston,
30-Dec-11 10:06 AM, #45
RE: I'm not joking...,
The Heretic,
30-Dec-11 04:08 PM, #91
Longer fights,
Lightmage,
02-Jan-12 11:44 AM, #130
Please see my newbie boosts on Gameplay,
incognito,
02-Jan-12 07:28 PM, #135
Please remove preps for a week or two.,
Void,
25-Jan-12 09:44 PM, #140
RE: I'm not joking...,
Eskelian,
26-Jan-12 04:48 AM, #142
It doesn't sound like a horrible idea.,
Lhydia,
29-Dec-11 08:15 PM, #8
DO IT,
Gaspar,
29-Dec-11 08:17 PM, #9
I like that people race for it,
incognito,
02-Jan-12 03:48 PM, #131
Hahaha!,
Conundrum,
29-Dec-11 10:31 PM, #22
Please come back. We miss you Panda.,
TMNS,
30-Dec-11 05:10 AM, #37
Please don't punish us for a few jerks :(,
highbutterfly,
30-Dec-11 03:55 AM, #33
I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular.,
DurNominator,
30-Dec-11 07:19 AM, #39
RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular.,
Rayihn,
30-Dec-11 09:16 AM, #41
RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular.,
Elerosse,
30-Dec-11 09:50 AM, #43
RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular.,
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 09:51 AM, #44
RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular.,
Rayihn,
30-Dec-11 10:31 AM, #52
Actually, I'm not sarcastic. ,
DurNominator,
30-Dec-11 10:49 AM, #55
RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular.,
JoeCloud,
30-Dec-11 01:12 PM, #77
What about strengthening detect artifact?,
JoeCloud,
30-Dec-11 04:03 PM, #90
Add more wand locations and the advantage of having a w...,
DurNominator,
30-Dec-11 10:24 AM, #49
Horrible idea,
Cenatar_,
30-Dec-11 01:40 PM, #84
I can sense the temptation in that, but...,
Amberion,
30-Dec-11 10:48 AM, #54
RE: I can sense the temptation in that, but...,
Daevryn,
30-Dec-11 10:57 AM, #57
RE: I can sense the temptation in that, but...,
Elerosse,
30-Dec-11 12:04 PM, #70
RE: I can sense the temptation in that, but...,
Kamuela_,
31-Dec-11 08:41 PM, #104
As someone who likes to play elves and dark elves,
incognito,
02-Jan-12 03:52 PM, #132
Umm,
incognito,
02-Jan-12 07:17 PM, #134
RE: Umm,
Eskelian,
26-Jan-12 05:11 AM, #145
I endorse this solution.,
Eskelian,
26-Jan-12 04:44 AM, #141
Wow, this whole thing really got out of hand.,
TripHitNdip (Anonymous),
30-Dec-11 07:02 PM, #97
The only time people complain about sleeks ...,
Bell,
30-Dec-11 04:58 PM, #93
More solutions,
Anghwyr,
30-Dec-11 04:25 PM, #92
Another solution,
MoetEtChandon,
30-Dec-11 01:32 PM, #81
RE: Wand lists, etc.,
Daevryn,
30-Dec-11 11:02 AM, #60
Ok, I'll bite.,
tongni12,
30-Dec-11 11:43 AM, #68
RE: Ok, I'll bite.,
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 01:00 PM, #76
No, but I remember them,
tongni12,
30-Dec-11 01:28 PM, #80
RE: No, but I remember them,
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 01:41 PM, #85
Both those were clouds I thought.,
lasentia,
30-Dec-11 06:04 PM, #96
RE: Both those were clouds I thought.,
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 09:24 PM, #99
RE: Ok, I'll bite.,
Daevryn,
30-Dec-11 11:59 AM, #137
It has been a great run.,
Alston,
30-Dec-11 12:08 PM, #71
Hah CF on Ebay!,
Rayihn,
30-Dec-11 12:10 PM, #72
I'd like for you and Daevryn to know,
Alston,
30-Dec-11 12:20 PM, #73
RE: I'd like for you and Daevryn to know,
Daevryn,
30-Dec-11 12:24 PM, #74
RE: I'd like for you and Daevryn to know,
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 01:24 PM, #79
I blame Isildur! And a lack of Imm fest!,
lasentia,
30-Dec-11 06:00 PM, #95
RE: I blame Isildur! And a lack of Imm fest!,
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 09:23 PM, #98
#### a college fund, Zulg needs beer money :),
TMNS,
30-Dec-11 01:33 PM, #82
RE: Hah CF on Ebay!,
Grudan,
30-Dec-11 01:59 PM, #86
Please don't give up on CF,
Valkenar,
30-Dec-11 03:08 PM, #89
I think your premise is wrong...,
Tac,
30-Dec-11 05:03 PM, #94
Not to sound like a jerk but....,
Eskelian,
26-Jan-12 04:53 AM, #143
my attempt at a solution (long),
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 10:24 AM, #50
Thumbs up from me,
Jad_Hoven,
30-Dec-11 10:47 AM, #53
Sleeks already have a level requirement,
Artificial,
30-Dec-11 10:56 AM, #56
RE: Sleeks already have a level requirement,
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 11:20 AM, #64
With the illusionary change,
Artificial,
30-Dec-11 11:22 AM, #65
RE: With the illusionary change,
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 11:26 AM, #67
RE: my attempt at a solution (long),
Malakhi,
30-Dec-11 11:02 AM, #58
So if I want to completely ruin a strong char,
Artificial,
30-Dec-11 11:01 AM, #59
RE: So if I want to completely ruin a strong char,
Malakhi,
30-Dec-11 11:11 AM, #61
I can only think of a few items,
Artificial,
30-Dec-11 11:19 AM, #63
RE: my attempt at a solution (long),
Knac,
30-Dec-11 11:15 AM, #62
RE: my attempt at a solution (long),
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 11:25 AM, #66
RE: my attempt at a solution (long),
Malakhi,
30-Dec-11 11:59 AM, #69
RE: my attempt at a solution (long),
Isildur,
30-Dec-11 12:43 PM, #75
I agree with Malakhi.,
TMNS,
30-Dec-11 01:39 PM, #83
Don't like this.,
fist-law,
31-Dec-11 06:15 PM, #103
RE: Don't like this.,
Daevryn,
31-Dec-11 09:12 PM, #105
I say quit ####ing around and go for it. Threats and th...,
Lhydia,
31-Dec-11 09:17 PM, #106
That doesn't change the fact,
incognito,
01-Jan-12 07:06 AM, #111
Exactly. Which is why it won't ever actually happen and...,
Lhydia,
01-Jan-12 10:44 AM, #112
RE: Exactly. Which is why it won't ever actually happen...,
Rayihn,
01-Jan-12 11:06 AM, #113
You're telling me to be less abrasive? ,
Lhydia,
01-Jan-12 11:53 AM, #114
RE: You're telling me to be less abrasive? ,
Daevryn,
01-Jan-12 12:23 PM, #115
That makes sense on all counts. ,
Lhydia,
01-Jan-12 12:35 PM, #116
Listen to your condescending comments,
Oldril,
02-Jan-12 01:07 AM, #123
RE: You're telling me to be less abrasive? ,
N b M,
01-Jan-12 08:14 PM, #118
RE: You're telling me to be less abrasive? ,
Isildur,
02-Jan-12 12:25 AM, #119
Man you have an ego the size of a battleship Jalim,
Oldril,
02-Jan-12 01:06 AM, #122
You are getting your worlds mixed up again. ,
Lhydia,
02-Jan-12 10:11 AM, #127
Except nobody is selling anything...,
Twist,
02-Jan-12 10:16 AM, #128
There you go again Twist, saying it better than me,
Oldril,
02-Jan-12 10:48 AM, #129
~~ n/t,
Alston,
02-Jan-12 04:29 AM, #124
RE: Don't like this.,
Isildur,
01-Jan-12 12:07 AM, #108
Twist threw out his back. nt,
Artificial,
01-Jan-12 12:23 AM, #109
RE: Don't like this.,
Malakhi,
01-Jan-12 07:38 PM, #117
RE: Don't like this.,
fist-law,
02-Jan-12 04:33 AM, #125
RE: Don't like this.,
Malakhi,
02-Jan-12 04:55 AM, #126
I like this solution,
Cenatar_,
30-Dec-11 03:04 PM, #88
ZULG: Please remember that we all love this game.,
Alston,
30-Dec-11 10:16 AM, #48
Well said,
MoetEtChandon,
30-Dec-11 10:24 AM, #51
I long ago decided mages do NOT need wands.,
Alston,
30-Dec-11 10:13 AM, #47
RE: I long ago decided mages do NOT need wands.,
Cenatar_,
30-Dec-11 02:46 PM, #87
RE: Wand lists, etc.,
Ghuljun,
30-Dec-11 10:06 AM, #46
is anyone else annoyed,
laxman,
30-Dec-11 09:05 AM, #40
I've changed my view a bit,
incognito,
30-Dec-11 01:11 AM, #30
One thing that just seems odd to me from your post,
Puhguly,
29-Dec-11 09:55 PM, #20
RE: One thing that just seems odd to me from your post,
tongni12,
29-Dec-11 10:34 PM, #23
I like to think I've competed,
incognito,
30-Dec-11 01:12 AM, #31
Not intended as a jab,
Puhguly,
30-Dec-11 05:32 AM, #38
My thoughts...,
Not An Imm,
29-Dec-11 09:25 PM, #19
I'm with this guy. Less lottery?,
Lhydia,
29-Dec-11 10:00 PM, #21
RE: Wand lists, etc.,
Isildur,
29-Dec-11 08:31 PM, #11
I'm really glad you started this thread.,
TMNS,
29-Dec-11 07:51 PM, #1
There isn't a problem,
Tsunami,
29-Dec-11 08:04 PM, #5
RE: I'm really glad you started this thread.,
tongni12,
29-Dec-11 08:33 PM, #12
I can jive with your explanation.,
TMNS,
29-Dec-11 08:43 PM, #15
People see what they want to see:,
tongni12,
29-Dec-11 09:23 PM, #18
This is a great great post!,
Oldril,
02-Jan-12 12:56 AM, #121
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