>>only going for it with a group that really has a
>>better-than-average chance of getting it without anyone
>>dying.
>
>Yeah, but if you're someone who doesn't know all the specifics
>of how to get it? I wouldn't feel bad as "that guy" leading a
>group down there, assuming all of them knew the risk
>involved.
>
>Otherwise you're saying that only paladins with OOC knowledge
>of exactly what they need to do in order to safely get
>Defiance should be leading groups to get it. Which
>seems...lame.

I should have clarified that I was speaking of how paladins that *I* play generally treat Defiance. I have no problems with someone who is clearly new to CF/new to paladins/new to getting Defiance taking a group and trying it. But really, getting a group of heroes who would be willing to try is almost certainly going to somehow involve a vet who has experience in such matters, don't you think?