And you got busted for cheating because precisely what I said is true, the only difference is you're an explorefag that identified the problem and then picked the exact wrong method to solve it for like the 4th time in a row and someone PMSed and shat on you despite knowing precisely what you do.

See where we're at now?

You're taking it as an insult when I say 'You're placing too much emphasis on preserving the integrity of the high end PvE areas.'

Let me tell you about my first experience in Hell and see if you don't understand.

I was the High Priestess in Empire. This was the *only* reason I made it into the Hell group, because I was the most competent healer present. The vast majority of us were Imperials and there were some uncaballed and Nexus involved. Half of this group were the Russians. Which, the majority of the time during this trip acted twice as nice as you've ever thought about being, given the circumstances (nasty explore area, evil alignment)

In the first two hours we lost our minotaur warrior which was supposed to be immune to fear for these horrible pit fiends I've never seen and didn't much want to. This was mostly the warrior's fault for not watching his stamina or something like not picking up a disarmed weapon on the first or second circle, and then panicking and fleeing into other aggro mobs.

Second circle a fun bit of RP happens. The Emperor (non-Russian bard) has to order me to #### a bull. That was pretty much the highlight of the trip, the rest of it was a boring grind of healspam and doing exactly as I was told, not looking at anything, and anything I did look at was not giving me observation experience.

We get down to about circle 5 or 6. This takes us roughly 5 hours. By hour 3 or 4 I was bored to tears and looking to see how I could get out without dying, but I wanted a way to destroy Defiance so that I could actually defend against Twist's Dupmasione because there was no one ever on who could stand up to him, so I stuck it out.

I get bash permalagged near Mephistopheles trying to do something to prep for the rest of the group and die. Some kind of mistake with protective shield because I was trying to do what you're supposed to do and poke around, but my concentration was shot after hour #3.5

The rest of the group gets picked off one by one or sacrificed until the 9th circle. Gzurweeg is the only one that survives and he had to flee past Satan to get out.

Pretty much I just wasted six hours of my time that someone overly hyped that it was going to be an awesome trip.

Oh, I should mention that most of the gear from the 1st through 4th circles was gone (and not in our hands who were the most powerful evils in the game at the time) because some bard with more time on his hands than is healthy managed to solo the first 3 circles. Repeatedly.

The area isn't as awesome as you make it out to be. It's one long boring gayfest, and if you make one mistake or experiment with anything or pretty much go down there without a walkthrough or a leader who's been there first, you're screwed.

There was no chance to walk around, no chance to explore, no chance to ID items, no chance to read literature, only spam group, heal people, spam sanc and various resistances. Primarily so the russians could get to Satan. (no knock on the russians, as I still find them more pleasant to deal with than you.)

The above should not be someone's experience in ANY 7 hour stretch of playing CF. It shouldn't even be the end of a 3 hour stretch.

I agree with you, close Hell (and ST). But for vastly different reasons, so the players that are obsessed with it will actually help/interact with people and do other things, or leave the game. Neither of us are wrong, and this is only one small facet. But even your reaction alone highlights problems with the game by leaps and bounds if this is how high level players act toward everyone else.