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#34349, "The problem"
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The problem is that even if you didn't go on PK rampages with your buddies, you still arranged to have a group of very attractive (build wise) allies at your disposal, regardless of what you used them for. Even if all you used your OOC advantage for was gathering equipment, consider what advantage that equipment then gives you?
If your Hell perma existed in a vacuum, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all. Unfortunately, arranging to have multiple support characters available to your AP did provide you with advantages, some actual and some potential, and that's just the consequence of setting something like that up. This is why the Imms have a problem with permas made "just to explore", I would guess.
I see their logic. I don't necessary agree with it, but I see it.
Somewhere in there the funstick and the fairstick need to join forces and find a nice harmony between PvE and the consequences PvE have on PvP.
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So let's talk about the Inferno
[View all] , Torak, Sun 08-Aug-10 10:00 PM
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Tesline,
08-Aug-10 01:28 PM, #92
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Isildur,
06-Aug-10 11:07 PM, #82
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) You don't get it...,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 11:22 PM, #83
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Your argument would hold more weight...,
TMNS,
07-Aug-10 02:28 AM, #84
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: You don't get it...,
Isildur,
07-Aug-10 04:50 AM, #86
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: You don't get it...,
Torak,
07-Aug-10 11:22 AM, #87
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: You don't get it...,
Eskelian,
09-Aug-10 10:20 PM, #95
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: You don't get it...,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:15 PM, #96
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I've been to the Inferno with the Ravon and Igbah group...,
Gaspar,
06-Aug-10 08:12 PM, #79
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I beg to differ,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #97
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Explorefags,
Scrimbul,
06-Aug-10 12:25 PM, #65
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) We could not be more different,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 12:50 PM, #67
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I already don't play.,
Scrimbul,
06-Aug-10 01:20 PM, #68
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Nope,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 01:32 PM, #69
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Rayihn,
05-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #62
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Catch 22,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 02:02 PM, #2
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Catch 22,
Isildur,
05-Aug-10 03:03 PM, #5
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Catch 22,
ORB,
05-Aug-10 03:22 PM, #9
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) It's by far the coolest area in the game next to the si...,
Amberion,
05-Aug-10 05:27 PM, #26
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Catch 22,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:18 PM, #98
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I haven't been around very much lately,
Mekantos,
05-Aug-10 02:14 PM, #3
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Just one thing...,
TMNS,
05-Aug-10 03:17 PM, #6
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Just one thing...,
ORB,
05-Aug-10 03:26 PM, #10
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) One big difference here,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 03:35 PM, #11
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Just one thing...,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 04:09 PM, #14
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) But then,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:20 PM, #99
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Hrmm,
A2,
05-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #4
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Take the damn area out of the game then if you dont wan...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 03:19 PM, #7
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 03:20 PM, #8
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I love you - awesome post~,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 03:37 PM, #12
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:06 PM, #13
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Honest question:,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 04:14 PM, #15
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Does it really matter?,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:17 PM, #16
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I never get a chance to roll with my friends.,
TMNS,
05-Aug-10 04:26 PM, #18
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) But thats the thing. There was no mass pking, no domina...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:40 PM, #22
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Thoughts of a newbie,
Tohno,
05-Aug-10 04:31 PM, #20
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) If I could point a huge red arrow at this, I would~,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 04:34 PM, #21
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) We all learn from someone.,
thendrell,
05-Aug-10 06:57 PM, #39
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) That's how I'm hoping it is,
Tohno,
05-Aug-10 08:11 PM, #50
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Thoughts of a newbie,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 11:04 PM, #54
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Thoughts of a newbie,
Tohno,
06-Aug-10 12:38 AM, #57
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Hell (pardon the pun) yes it does!,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 04:49 PM, #23
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 04:25 PM, #17
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) In all honesty,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 04:35 PM, #19
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The problem,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 05:20 PM #25
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The other end of this...,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #28
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: The other end of this...,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #32
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) He said they were going for Satan.,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 06:48 PM, #37
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #93
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) FWIW,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:22 PM, #33
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: FWIW,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:31 PM, #34
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: FWIW,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #36
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) It really is a Catch-22,
Lyristeon ,
07-Aug-10 07:33 PM, #88
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Long rambling response,
thendrell,
05-Aug-10 07:18 PM, #40
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Long rambling response,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 07:48 PM, #44
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 07:27 PM, #43
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) There is a difference between OOC coordination...,
Zulghinlour,
05-Aug-10 05:40 PM, #27
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) So if i had sent a mass note out, it would all have bee...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 05:59 PM, #29
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #30
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #41
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #42
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #49
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
larsihalv,
06-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #75
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The group in question,
Zulghinlour,
05-Aug-10 07:51 PM, #45
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) For real.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 07:55 PM, #46
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Ironically,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #48
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Its one of the first I got,
Gaplemo,
06-Aug-10 01:33 AM, #58
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: The group in question,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #47
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Honestly, Aarn:,
Malakhi,
08-Aug-10 03:08 AM, #89
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Honestly, Aarn:,
Aarn,
12-Aug-10 09:36 AM, #102
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Lyristeon ,
08-Aug-10 07:05 AM, #90
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Yea it sucks,
Knac,
08-Aug-10 12:06 PM, #91
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Heh, didn't know you were Kantherion..,
Marcus_,
09-Aug-10 09:56 AM, #94
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) You could argue otherwise,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:21 PM, #100
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Eskelian,
06-Aug-10 09:06 AM, #59
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Very good post and I agree (nt),
Nightgaunt_,
06-Aug-10 09:28 AM, #60
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) This. nt,
Splntrd,
06-Aug-10 09:58 AM, #61
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) That's the root of the issue really, bravo,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 11:55 AM, #63
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Verdelyeb,
06-Aug-10 12:12 PM, #64
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Single best post ever.,
Artificial,
06-Aug-10 12:30 PM, #66
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Well put -nt-,
Mekantos,
06-Aug-10 01:33 PM, #70
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Agreed,
bphan,
06-Aug-10 02:03 PM, #71
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Elerosse,
06-Aug-10 03:58 PM, #72
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) A very good post, I endorse it to 100% N/T,
Amberion,
06-Aug-10 05:37 PM, #73
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I agree.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 06:01 PM, #74
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Grand post. ~~~~~~,
Batman (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 07:03 PM, #76
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) If you put it this way,
Gaplemo,
06-Aug-10 07:49 PM, #77
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) forget it,
CharlieWaffles,
06-Aug-10 08:59 PM, #78
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Devil's Advocate,
sorlag (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 10:43 PM, #81
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Well said. I wish i read this earlier and copy and past...,
Gaspar,
06-Aug-10 09:44 PM, #80
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Not controversial in the least, IMHO.,
TMNS,
07-Aug-10 02:36 AM, #85
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 11:57 PM, #55
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Actually I'm happy with these answers,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 12:43 AM, #56
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Simple question.,
wareagle,
05-Aug-10 10:24 PM, #52
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:11 PM, #31
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) That's it?,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #35
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) You're acting like he owes you something.,
Guilo,
05-Aug-10 06:51 PM, #38
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Whoa cowboy, calm down.,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 08:14 PM, #51
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Whoa cowboy, calm down.,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 10:37 PM, #53
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) ditto,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:29 PM, #101
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Question for the IMMs regarding future Hell explorer wa...,
Humbert,
05-Aug-10 04:59 PM, #24
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 01:23 PM, #1
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