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IsildurFri 07-May-10 03:30 PM
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#32503, "RE: Ahah! But the real question is"


          

Some thoughts:

>** Snare/enlarge/haste/waylay/bearcharge on a cloud ranger.
>Walk in enlarged.

Still may not save you. For instance if you're wounded at all, or if the ranger snares you shortly before the enlarge wears off.

We're also talking about a cloud giant, so enlarged he's still going to be one size bigger than an enlarged human. I got a fair number of kills as Sule on guys who were only one size smaller than me. Against some folks it only took one lagging bearcharge to land after the initial waylay.

There's also the chance the ranger will see you coming, waylay, then hope you flee into his snare in the next room. Enlarge doesn't help you much there.

>** Sleep/summon/etc. on a necro.
>Where is overpowered.

So the solution is: "never fight the necro, ever, and be so perfect in your where spam that he never, ever, gets the drop on you."

>** Bash, bash, warcry, flurry on a giant warrior + relevant
>legacy.
>Reduce. After he flees - enlarge, unless he is a villager. And
>sword giants are not the best ones in melee.

...then the next time you try this, the giant walks up to you reduced. Since you also reduced, he proceeds to bash you to death.

I mentioned giant sword because they're the most capable when it comes to bashing, and they still get free hits via riposte while they're bashing on you. They can also lay down the gigantic flurries while you're still lagged from their bashing.

Having fought Humbert, bashbashwarcryflurry is pretty potent.

>** Nightreaver bard.
>Dirt, blindness, orbs of travel.

Dirt's not helping you when you can't beat my fiend, since you've been dispelled and maledicted all to hell. Orbs of travel? You still need to be able to beat the fiend. Plus I know exactly where you went, so you can bet I'll be heading straight there. Also- this requires you to keep an orb of travel on hand at all times, which is easier said than done.

>** Assassinate.
>Do not let him track you. Get Eyes on the Back of Your Head.

Eventually you may have to raid or retrieve. You may decide to chase around some enemy (not the assassin) who's running from you on roads. You may need to rest up somewhere, and figure "surely nobody will find me here."

I agree its possible to reduce an assassin's chances to get you to "almost" zero, but even conscientious people don't behave in the sort of way you'd have to behave in order to be completely safe from assassinate.

>** Improved invis + quicksand.
>Drop all, flee. Do not sit on lvl, where you have much higher
>ranked invoker.

You can rank, but you still gotta pass those levels. So, for some span of ranks you're going to be vulnerable to the hero human invoker w/ improved invis. Drop all;flee can work, if you live long enough. You'd better remember to never, ever spam in directions.

>** Scroll-happy binder.
>This is not good. Always be flying when enter popular areas.

Great until he finds you in an unpopular area.

  

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HOT Topictheorycraft [View all] , Isildur, Thu 06-May-10 05:20 PM
Reply RE: theorycraft, Isildur, 07-May-10 12:13 AM, #16
Reply Ahah! But the real question is, Drag0nSt0rm, 07-May-10 01:50 PM, #20
Reply RE: Ahah! But the real question is, Dervish, 07-May-10 02:00 PM, #21
Reply RE: Ahah! But the real question is, Drag0nSt0rm, 07-May-10 02:02 PM, #22
Reply RE: Ahah! But the real question is, Dervish, 07-May-10 02:07 PM, #23
Reply RE: Ahah! But the real question is, Isildur, 07-May-10 03:30 PM #25
     Reply HEY!, Humbert, 09-May-10 04:02 AM, #36
Reply RE: Ahah! But the real question is, Isildur, 07-May-10 03:04 PM, #24
Reply RE: theorycraft, Daevryn, 07-May-10 04:04 PM, #26
Reply RE: theorycraft, Isildur, 07-May-10 05:20 PM, #27
     Reply RE: theorycraft, Daevryn, 07-May-10 06:48 PM, #28
          Reply Fluke huh?, Marin, 07-May-10 07:23 PM, #29
Reply RE: theorycraft, Hutto, 07-May-10 11:17 PM, #30
     Reply RE: theorycraft, Isildur, 08-May-10 12:00 AM, #31
          Reply RE: theorycraft, Hutto, 08-May-10 12:39 AM, #32
          Reply RE: theorycraft, TheDude, 08-May-10 12:08 PM, #35
Reply hummingbird is ####! (n/t), Zulghinlour, 06-May-10 10:41 PM, #9
Reply Not since it stopped being a deathtrap in the air!, TheLastMohican, 06-May-10 11:11 PM, #13
Reply RE: theorycraft, sleepy, 06-May-10 07:23 PM, #2
Reply RE: theorycraft, thendrell, 07-May-10 07:08 AM, #18
Reply Edges:, Rayihn, 06-May-10 07:21 PM, #1
     Reply Well, that's a tough question., TheLastMohican, 06-May-10 09:05 PM, #3
     Reply RE: Well, that's a tough question., Daevryn, 06-May-10 09:24 PM, #4
          Reply Well (short expansion on thought within)..., TheLastMohican, 06-May-10 09:33 PM, #5
          Reply The AP edges, Tsunami, 06-May-10 09:35 PM, #6
          Reply I always take evasive when I can., thendrell, 07-May-10 07:16 AM, #19
               Reply Quantitative vs. qualitative., Valguarnera, 08-May-10 07:28 AM, #33
                    Reply Thanks for the info., thendrell, 08-May-10 08:10 AM, #34
     Reply RE: Edges:, Splntrd, 06-May-10 10:34 PM, #7
     Reply RE: Edges:, Dervish, 06-May-10 10:35 PM, #8
          Reply RE: Edges:, Splntrd, 06-May-10 10:42 PM, #10
               Reply RE: Edges:, Dervish, 06-May-10 10:46 PM, #11
                    Reply RE: Edges:, Splntrd, 06-May-10 10:51 PM, #12
     Reply RE: Edges:, Isildur, 06-May-10 11:57 PM, #14
     Reply RE: Edges:, Dervish, 07-May-10 12:08 AM, #15
          Reply I agree, Astillian, 07-May-10 04:47 AM, #17
     Reply Edges that make good stuff too good..., Larcat, 10-May-10 11:32 AM, #37
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