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DaevrynMon 10-Aug-09 09:12 PM
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#28102, "Those fights are winnable, but maybe not the way you think."


          

I've survived grand nocturne as all of the above plenty of times.

The main thing you need to factor in is that, in general, as a dumb character, time is not on your side. The phantasmal killer probably will get stronger and stronger as you fight it because you can't make mental saves for crap. In a lot of cases your best survival option involves throwing caution to the wind and pouring out all the damage you can as fast as possible.

For high int characters (most necromancers and transmuters, for example), the opposite is true; over time, your high mental stats will tend to beat the killer down and make it weaker. Your smartest option as a necromancer often could be something like, cast vampiric touch on something that isn't the phantasmal killer to heal yourself and play for time.

Conjurers are a definitely little more dicey, in that human/half-elf/half-drow conjurers don't have a terribly high int. A 23 int 20 wis (human trans) is a lot better off than a 20 int 20 wis (human conjurer). That being said, much like orcs, conjurers do specifically have an edge option to help deal with this kind of situation if it's a big problem for them. (Force of Personality.)

I think conjurers with an angel or demon bound take it in the pants the worst here, even though they're most likely the most dangerous conjurer setup for the bard to attack. While archons are clearly superior, I don't think devils are quite as useless for this situation as you do.

  

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HOT TopicDiscussion of the Mechanics of Frightful Fiend. [View all] , deBriguy, Mon 10-Aug-09 04:46 PM
Reply Having played ALOT of GIANTS and VILLAGERS...., Amberion, 12-Aug-09 06:13 PM, #49
Reply felar intelligence, bobbyp, 11-Aug-09 09:53 PM, #46
Reply Being in or recalling to the wilds negates the fiend me..., Scrimbul, 12-Aug-09 11:45 AM, #47
     Reply RE: Being in or recalling to the wilds negates the fien..., Isildur, 12-Aug-09 03:10 PM, #48
          Reply Yes, but., Scrimbul, 13-Aug-09 10:01 AM, #50
Reply Simple suggestion, Dorz, 11-Aug-09 11:36 AM, #31
Reply Mandatory prepping is rarely fun, but I doubt they will..., Nightgaunt_, 11-Aug-09 10:50 AM, #30
Reply RE: Discussion of the Mechanics of Frightful Fiend., Daevryn, 10-Aug-09 08:56 PM, #9
Reply I don't believe, Dwoggurd, 10-Aug-09 09:41 PM, #12
Reply RE: I don't believe, Daevryn, 10-Aug-09 10:32 PM, #16
Reply RE: I don't believe, Isildur, 10-Aug-09 11:06 PM, #21
Reply RE: I don't believe, Greddarh, 10-Aug-09 11:10 PM, #22
     Reply What makes you think I haven't? :), Daevryn, 10-Aug-09 11:25 PM, #23
Reply As Dolce with 13 int I had plenty of trouble with fiend..., TheProphet, 11-Aug-09 07:50 AM, #29
Reply RE: I don't believe, Exit, 21-Aug-09 10:04 PM, #54
     Reply Played bards and agree with him, incognito, 22-Aug-09 04:08 AM, #55
Reply The whole "I win" button discussion., Kadsuane, 19-Aug-09 10:55 AM, #53
Reply Frightful fiend is both opening and area attack, DurNominator, 10-Aug-09 08:51 PM, #7
Reply My take:, vargal, 10-Aug-09 05:04 PM, #3
Reply RE: My take:, Daevryn, 10-Aug-09 09:15 PM, #11
     Reply RE: My take:, Susubienko, 11-Aug-09 12:35 AM, #25
          Reply Why should ragers..., _Magus_, 11-Aug-09 02:17 PM, #33
               Reply RE: Why should ragers..., Lokain, 11-Aug-09 03:15 PM, #37
               Reply RE: Why should ragers..., Adhelard, 11-Aug-09 04:41 PM, #40
               Reply RE: Why should ragers..., Susubienko, 11-Aug-09 05:08 PM, #43
Reply An answer..., Twist, 10-Aug-09 04:56 PM, #1
     Reply Bah, that's a terribly rational answer., deBriguy, 10-Aug-09 05:02 PM, #2
     Reply Wazglarg survived fiends, incognito, 10-Aug-09 05:17 PM, #4
     Reply Side note:, Daevryn, 10-Aug-09 10:33 PM, #17
          Reply RE: Side note:, Isildur, 10-Aug-09 10:57 PM, #19
     Reply its certainly not balanced, laxman, 10-Aug-09 06:21 PM, #5
     Reply Those fights are winnable, but maybe not the way you th..., Daevryn, 10-Aug-09 09:12 PM #10
          Reply About one log posted recently on an unfamous log board, Dwoggurd, 10-Aug-09 09:46 PM, #13
          Reply As much as people call OP on this, Guilo, 10-Aug-09 10:08 PM, #14
          Reply Re, Dwoggurd, 10-Aug-09 10:22 PM, #15
               Reply So if that's the case, Guilo, 10-Aug-09 10:53 PM, #18
                    Reply If flurry would work against a group of 5, Dwoggurd, 10-Aug-09 11:04 PM, #20
                    Reply I'd like to have the statistics., Guilo, 11-Aug-09 01:18 AM, #27
                    Reply This assumes bard is alone, incognito, 14-Aug-09 06:41 PM, #51
          Reply That just means to me the group wasn't ready, dwimmerling, 11-Aug-09 12:33 AM, #24
          Reply Actually, no., Susubienko, 11-Aug-09 12:41 AM, #26
               Reply Maybe, Dwoggurd, 11-Aug-09 03:39 AM, #28
                    Reply Do you work hard to be this stupid sometimes?, Susubienko, 11-Aug-09 02:06 PM, #32
                         Reply RE: Do you work hard to be this stupid sometimes?, Isildur, 11-Aug-09 02:34 PM, #34
                         Reply RE: Do you work hard to be this stupid sometimes?, Susubienko, 11-Aug-09 05:02 PM, #42
                              Reply RE: Do you work hard to be this stupid sometimes?, Isildur, 11-Aug-09 07:18 PM, #44
                              Reply Honestly, I don't agree here, incognito, 14-Aug-09 06:45 PM, #52
                         Reply Do you realize, Dwoggurd, 11-Aug-09 02:39 PM, #35
                              Reply RE: Do you realize, Daevryn, 11-Aug-09 02:51 PM, #36
                                   Reply Heh, Dwoggurd, 11-Aug-09 03:32 PM, #39
          Reply like I said, prepped to the ####, laxman, 11-Aug-09 07:35 PM, #45
     Reply RE: An answer..., Isildur, 10-Aug-09 06:30 PM, #6
          Reply RE: An answer..., Daevryn, 10-Aug-09 08:51 PM, #8
               Reply Got me thinking, Lokain, 11-Aug-09 03:23 PM, #38
                    Reply Flaws are flaws., vargal, 11-Aug-09 04:55 PM, #41
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