Isildur | Fri 09-Jan-09 05:04 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#23271, "RE: Sorry, but that's not right at all"
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>>However, because of the existence of deathblow and the >>uncommonly hard-hitting characters that pop up, barrier DOES >>become a necessity as well. I've played many mages, and yeah >What do you say to the fact that there are very few "tougher > melee) characters" in the game? For example, Darascus with >ABandS completely steamrolled Kostyan - so even a warrior with >400+ PKs wasn't one of these "tougher characters."
I think we're getting a little anecdotal here. Are "really buff non-mages" fairly rare? Somewhat. But then, there are always a few of them around logging regular hours. People tend to focus on the Kostyans and Hunsobos of the world, but there are also lots of "really tough non-mages" who didn't rack up quite so many kills because their builds aren't optimized for kill-sealing.
You've got the stand-out non-rager warriors. The Kostyans, Hunsobos, Igbahs of the world. You could also include folks like Throkk, Folsa, Kadsuane's empire fire giant HPM warrior whose name I can't remember, etc.
Then you've got the ragers. Take a rager who isn't terrible and give him decent gear. He's now pretty difficult to kill w/o wands, ignoring necromancer sleep and amped up anti-paladins.
Then you've got tough assassins. Ktaar. Maybe Mizfara. On at least one occasion I beat a wanded offense shifter. Heck, I fought what's his name, the duergar AP, to a draw once when he was already semi-buff and was wearing hell gear. I would have won handily if he hadn't had wands.
Then you've got the occasional tough paladin. Niheriva, etc. And the occasional tough ranger.
I'm not saying you can't get kills as a non-necro/ap mage w/o using wands. I'm just saying that, without wands, you're unlikely to kill the upper echelon of non-mages unless its in a "caught him already writhing" situation.
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Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands
[View all] , Daevryn, Sun 04-Jan-09 10:58 PM
After reading ~60% of this thread...,
Splntrd,
27-Jan-09 03:22 PM, #159
What we need is a newbie IMM. Which, coincedentally, i...,
TheLastMohican,
27-Jan-09 04:20 PM, #160
Though optimistic this system officially makes me wish ...,
EXB,
28-Jan-09 04:21 AM, #161
Why?,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 01:19 AM, #145
One very good reason:,
Mekantos,
21-Jan-09 02:13 AM, #150
RE: One very good reason:,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 02:19 AM, #151
RE: Why?,
Gabe,
26-Jan-09 11:58 PM, #158
RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands,
Pendragon_Surtr,
17-Jan-09 08:20 AM, #144
RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 01:55 AM, #148
My perspective from all sides...,
AsidMonk,
13-Jan-09 02:18 PM, #141
imo,
Quixotic,
13-Jan-09 10:20 PM, #142
Can't say I disagree,
AsidMonk,
14-Jan-09 02:56 AM, #143
Problems/ Great for Occasional Players?,
Seilclavin,
13-Jan-09 11:20 AM, #140
Sounds like a great change to me. ~,
Elerosse,
12-Jan-09 11:56 AM, #133
As someone who doesn't keep wand lists,
DurNominator,
11-Jan-09 06:25 PM, #125
I haven't found a sleek wand since the Second Age.,
Pendragon_Surtr,
10-Jan-09 05:33 PM, #114
My Idea.,
Iza,
10-Jan-09 10:58 AM, #112
RE: My Idea.,
Daevryn,
10-Jan-09 05:21 PM, #113
Originally...,
Iza,
11-Jan-09 02:25 PM, #119
It's a good idea, just one thing.,
Amberion,
11-Jan-09 05:25 PM, #121
Yeah...,
Dervish,
11-Jan-09 05:41 PM, #122
Heh. I agree.,
Iza,
11-Jan-09 06:37 PM, #126
So...,
Linolaques,
11-Jan-09 06:05 PM, #124
RE: So...,
Iza,
11-Jan-09 07:35 PM, #127
RE: So...,
Linolaques,
12-Jan-09 11:36 AM, #132
I don't like this change,
elmeri_,
09-Jan-09 08:55 PM, #101
Cosign,
Dervish,
11-Jan-09 08:59 AM, #118
I agree, this is really disheartening to me.,
jad,
12-Jan-09 10:25 AM, #129
Regarding level playing fields and CF,
Grudan,
12-Jan-09 10:49 AM, #130
I don't think this is true...,
Elerosse,
12-Jan-09 11:19 AM, #131
It is true in that,
Rayihn,
12-Jan-09 01:20 PM, #134
Suggestion,
Mekantos,
12-Jan-09 01:41 PM, #135
I don't see that happening,
Rayihn,
12-Jan-09 03:16 PM, #136
Er...,
Mekantos,
12-Jan-09 03:38 PM, #137
I like this idea..,
Elerosse,
12-Jan-09 04:00 PM, #138
RE: I agree, this is really disheartening to me.,
incognito,
12-Jan-09 04:08 PM, #139
I have solved the ABS problem: Master Plan,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 07:30 PM, #93
At some point the abs system did work like this.,
Kadsuane,
09-Jan-09 07:40 PM, #94
Yep, and that's why B's system won't work. NT,
TheLastMohican,
09-Jan-09 07:48 PM, #96
Yeh I remember this...,
Lightmage,
09-Jan-09 07:52 PM, #97
Well, is that a problem?,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 08:08 PM, #99
One problem, I don't need pimp gear at hero to compete ...,
TheLastMohican,
10-Jan-09 08:26 PM, #116
RE: One problem, I don't need pimp gear at hero to comp...,
Daevryn,
10-Jan-09 10:54 PM, #117
I think it must be this part:,
Mekantos,
11-Jan-09 02:40 PM, #120
That was what I understood the point of this change to ...,
Linolaques,
11-Jan-09 05:54 PM, #123
Heh.,
TheLastMohican,
12-Jan-09 04:40 AM, #128
Game.,
Dallevian,
10-Jan-09 12:12 AM, #102
Even more sick.,
Dallevian,
10-Jan-09 12:19 AM, #103
They would also need to be locatable...,
Tac,
10-Jan-09 12:33 AM, #104
Thieves would rule over all mages,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:01 AM, #105
AND!,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:11 AM, #108
As for thieves..,
Adhelard,
10-Jan-09 05:38 PM, #115
Very cool idea. nt,
Drokk,
10-Jan-09 09:23 AM, #111
RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands,
Isildur,
09-Jan-09 03:22 PM, #78
RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands,
Daevryn,
09-Jan-09 03:39 PM, #79
But, but...!,
Straklaw,
09-Jan-09 06:18 PM, #88
Well,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:14 AM, #109
My suggestion,
incognito,
09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #71
You know what i find funny?,
Iza,
09-Jan-09 01:28 PM, #69
RE: You know what i find funny?,
Isildur,
09-Jan-09 03:06 PM, #75
Revamping the Wand System,
Zephon,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #63
You guys cure symptoms,
Dwoggurd,
08-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #56
Exactly how this is going to play out txt,
Larcat,
07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #42
RE: Exactly how this is going to play out txt,
Daevryn,
07-Jan-09 07:09 PM, #43
RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands,
The Heretic,
07-Jan-09 01:11 PM, #35
They will, but,
Rayihn,
07-Jan-09 01:13 PM, #36
Here's something I don't grasp,
Mekantos,
07-Jan-09 03:37 PM, #37
RE: Here's something I don't grasp,
Rayihn,
07-Jan-09 03:47 PM, #38
But the problem...,
Java,
07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #39
If you really think it will last for a few years... txt,
Larcat,
07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #40
Prove it!,
Iza,
07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #41
Can I have some more purple crack please.,
Lightmage,
07-Jan-09 08:32 PM, #44
When you say ABS..,
Adhelard,
07-Jan-09 09:35 PM, #46
I would say...,
EXB,
08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #47
Clarification,
Lightmage,
08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #48
RE: Clarification,
Daevryn,
08-Jan-09 08:51 AM, #53
RE: Clarification,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 01:50 AM, #147
re: Battle Berserker Sword Spec v. shapeshifter,
Quixotic,
08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #55
RE: Clarification,
Adhelard,
08-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #57
75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text),
Lightmage,
08-Jan-09 10:04 PM, #58
RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text),
Daevryn,
08-Jan-09 10:35 PM, #59
I hear you...,
Lightmage,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #61
There's a level 42 one that's in more than not. Surpri...,
TheLastMohican,
09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #72
Everytime I do this with mages I still die.,
TheLastMohican,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #62
RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text),
Mekantos,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #65
RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text),
Kadsuane,
09-Jan-09 11:17 AM, #68
You can thank...,
Mekantos,
09-Jan-09 03:49 PM, #81
I never fought you without barrier,
elmeri_,
09-Jan-09 08:29 PM, #100
Huh?,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:03 AM, #106
You're kidding?,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #64
Well...,
Lightmage,
09-Jan-09 11:17 AM, #67
That's a problem to look at that way,
Elerosse,
09-Jan-09 01:28 PM, #70
RE: That's a problem to look at that way,
Isildur,
09-Jan-09 03:20 PM, #77
RE: That's a problem to look at that way,
Elerosse,
09-Jan-09 05:09 PM, #86
RE: That's a problem to look at that way,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 02:10 AM, #149
I thought you could read.~,
Elerosse,
21-Jan-09 08:50 AM, #152
RE: When you say ABS..,
The Heretic,
08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #49
RE: When you say ABS..,
Daevryn,
08-Jan-09 08:39 AM, #52
Assuming equal talent, you're wrong.,
TheLastMohican,
09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #73
I think you just got trolled by an imm~,
Enbuergo1,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #60
RE: Can I have some more purple crack please.,
Isildur,
09-Jan-09 03:09 PM, #76
RE: Here's something I don't grasp,
Grudan,
08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #54
Coveting Sleeks,
Neltouda,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #66
Were either of you even around when sleeks were rare an...,
Lhydia,
09-Jan-09 02:21 PM, #74
Sorry, but that's not right at all,
Mekantos,
09-Jan-09 03:48 PM, #80
RE: Sorry, but that's not right at all,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 04:25 PM, #82
But you are forgetting (ALSO: addressing another point),
Mekantos,
09-Jan-09 04:42 PM, #83
You don't think...,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 06:54 PM, #91
As a hero,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:07 AM, #107
And,
Mekantos,
09-Jan-09 04:48 PM, #84
RE: Sorry, but that's not right at all,
Isildur,
09-Jan-09 05:04 PM #85
"upper echelons" and my Genius Plan,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 06:48 PM, #90
But then Satebos grabs all five and no other mage sees ...,
TheLastMohican,
09-Jan-09 07:46 PM, #95
Thanks for the nod.,
Nivek1,
09-Jan-09 07:00 PM, #92
It's the build you pick,
elmeri_,
09-Jan-09 08:03 PM, #98
Does anyone have a problem with...,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:17 AM, #110
Mage vs. Warriors,
Straklaw,
09-Jan-09 06:16 PM, #87
I've been thinking about that same thing..,
Elerosse,
09-Jan-09 06:45 PM, #89
RE: Here's something I don't grasp,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 01:27 AM, #146
Right on. (text),
Lightmage,
21-Jan-09 06:48 PM, #153
And the PK losses?,
Adhelard,
21-Jan-09 08:14 PM, #154
A few times. Maybe 2 or 3 times in last 6 years or so....,
Lightmage,
21-Jan-09 08:39 PM, #156
Clarification...(small text),
Lightmage,
21-Jan-09 08:41 PM, #157
RE: Here's something I don't grasp,
Adhelard,
21-Jan-09 08:10 PM, #155
Am I retarded, or did people miss these parts?,
TheLastMohican,
07-Jan-09 12:51 AM, #31
RE: Am I retarded, or did people miss these parts?,
Rayihn,
07-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #33
Yeah, realized this a bit after I posted, heh. NT,
TheLastMohican,
07-Jan-09 01:11 PM, #34
My thoughts,
Narissa,
06-Jan-09 09:52 PM, #30
Well...,
Iza,
05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #20
RE: Well...,
Daevryn,
05-Jan-09 10:03 PM, #26
RE: Well...,
Iza,
06-Jan-09 12:48 AM, #27
RE: Well...,
Klaak,
06-Jan-09 12:27 PM, #28
What was the intended effect?,
Larcat,
05-Jan-09 03:47 PM, #15
RE: What was the intended effect?,
Daevryn,
05-Jan-09 03:54 PM, #16
RE: What was the intended effect?,
Kadsuane,
05-Jan-09 04:14 PM, #17
Exactly txt,
Larcat,
05-Jan-09 04:49 PM, #18
Well...,
Twist,
05-Jan-09 08:17 PM, #21
RE: Well...,
Grudan,
05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #22
I hear ya...,
Lightmage,
05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #23
RE: I hear ya...,
svarog,
08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #50
Sorry, I meant....,
Lightmage,
08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #51
So does that make the game more fun?,
Enbuergo1,
05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #25
RE: Well...,
Xanthrailles,
06-Jan-09 09:52 PM, #29
Did you reply to the right post?,
Twist,
07-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #32
RE: Did you reply to the right post?,
Xanthrailles,
07-Jan-09 08:32 PM, #45
RE: What was the intended effect?,
Daevryn,
05-Jan-09 06:32 PM, #19
Thanks very much for this.,
GinGa,
05-Jan-09 03:04 PM, #14
Detect Artifact?,
Pendragon_Surtr,
05-Jan-09 12:56 PM, #9
Try the helpfile...,
Zulghinlour,
05-Jan-09 01:00 PM, #10
Addition to the helpfile.,
Lightmage,
05-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #11
Detect artifact change,
Abernyte,
05-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #7
RE: Detect artifact change,
Grudan,
05-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #12
Perhaps somewhat differently,
incognito,
05-Jan-09 02:21 PM, #13
Personally, I'm not interested in lowering detect artif...,
Zulghinlour,
05-Jan-09 08:57 PM, #24
Is it still txt,
Larcat,
05-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #6
RE: Is it still txt,
Rayihn,
05-Jan-09 07:32 AM, #8
Quick question.,
Lightmage,
05-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #2
RE: Quick question.,
Zulghinlour,
05-Jan-09 12:38 AM, #3
RE: Quick question.,
Jhishesh,
05-Jan-09 01:17 AM, #4
RE: Quick question.,
Daevryn,
05-Jan-09 01:19 AM, #5
This could be good, great or completely make me give up...,
Kadsuane,
05-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #1
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