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RadeSun 29-Jul-07 03:02 PM
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#18518, "Then vs Now"


          

I haven't read all the below but your post reminded me of a post of mine on Dio's a short while ago about veterans. Here's the gist of things.

Information is now at a premium. Veterans grew up in a time when you could master hand to hand with boxing gloves on kobolds at level 5 and there were immortals leading trips all the way to the center of hell.

I grew up in a time when if someone whispered to me how to get the (now nerfed) traveling boots then the boogie man just might come out of nowhere and stomp my nuts.

Over my years of playing I've come to know quite a bit of Thera... maybe even more than half of it by my own ignorant estimates well enough to get around. I know a few wand locations, and the one haste location I once knew is now gone. I know a few stone skin preps but they all suck because of the drawbacks. Over all, I'm satisfied with my mediocre PK and other game skills. I enjoy CF when I do play (which is rarely).

I'll be damned if I'm going to waste hundreds of hours of in game time wandering around aimlessly looking for stuff which might not even be in, ESPECIALLY if it can up and vanish in a second because TLB makes a forum post. The worst part is that those posts are removed so I can't even see the list to know which of my preps is now gone... I have to figure it out by trial and error, sometimes to my demise because I'm only half paying attention when collecting the same old prep I've collected dozens of times. It's ridiculous.

The argument that the reward for figuring out a quest is diminished if everyone else read the walk through is hogwash. Anyone who makes that argument is making it plain that they do not value exploration except for the competitive advantage it gives them with respect to gear/preps.

The current system supports cheating. Two players only have to explore half as much as I do to be on equal footing. Three only a third, etc. I won't cheat and I choose not to compete against those odds, so I must be content to stay at my current level of mediocrity. My skill level will go up over time, but my game knowledge will not. The game, at its current pace changes as fast as I learn new areas (given my frequency of play).

It's great that you make this game and I appreciate it but seriously, who do you think you're kidding when you say you want to play like us? I know you don't intend it to be that way, but it's seriously insulting. You can't play like us, not without open sourcing CF which isn't going to happen. The more secretive we are the more competitive advantage the vets who were here before the Age of Secrets have, and even MORE of a competitive advantage goes to immortal staff.

  

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HOT Locked TopicAnonymity [View all] , nepenthe, Tue 31-Jul-07 02:26 PM
Reply Thread locked., Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 06:28 PM, #148
Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #132
Reply RE: Arolin and bugs:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 03:03 PM, #134
Reply Arolin was a cheating #### and I'm glad he's gone., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:53 PM, #140
Reply RE: Anonymity, Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 10:29 AM, #121
Reply RE: Role contest:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 11:13 AM, #122
Reply RE: Role contest:, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:40 PM, #123
Reply He clearly said he wasn't addressing other points.~, Aodh, 31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #125
Reply I am not sure I understand your post., Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:49 PM, #126
Reply No need to be difficult, jasmin, 31-Jul-07 12:58 PM, #127
Reply RE: Unsolicited input., Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 01:22 PM, #128
     Reply you are ignoring the "meat" of my post, jasmin, 31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #133
Reply RE: Role contest:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 01:39 PM, #129
Reply Why delete my post?, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 02:33 PM, #130
     Reply RE: Why delete my post?, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 02:42 PM, #131
     Reply RE: Why delete my post?, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:35 PM, #136
Reply Dear Deathweaver/Shadowmaster/Conclave/etc:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 06:24 PM, #146
Reply Dead horses., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:28 PM, #135
     Reply RE: Dead horses., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:42 PM, #138
          Reply RE: Dead horses., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:51 PM, #139
               Reply RE: Dead horses., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 04:04 PM, #142
                    Reply Found it., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 04:36 PM, #143
                         Reply RE: Found it., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 04:46 PM, #144
                              Reply RE: Found it., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 05:05 PM, #145
Reply RE: Anonymity, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:59 PM, #141
     Reply Just One Question, ORB, 31-Jul-07 06:25 PM, #147
Reply Then vs Now, Rade, 29-Jul-07 03:02 PM #94
Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 08:48 AM, #96
     Reply Not really, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 03:05 PM, #97
     Reply RE: Not really, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 03:38 PM, #98
     Reply RE: Not really, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:03 PM, #99
          Reply I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt, Larcat, 30-Jul-07 04:18 PM, #100
          Reply RE: I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:38 PM, #101
          Reply IC Information Sharing, Kastellyn, 30-Jul-07 04:44 PM, #102
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:59 PM, #103
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #109
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 31-Jul-07 02:10 AM, #113
                    Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 08:57 AM, #117
                         Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 31-Jul-07 10:15 AM, #120
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Kastellyn, 31-Jul-07 12:09 AM, #112
                    Reply i remember rank 25 valguarnera showing me that quest, laxman, 31-Jul-07 06:50 AM, #114
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Rade, 30-Jul-07 07:43 PM, #104
               Reply Are you capable of not being an ass in how you share?, Nightshade, 30-Jul-07 08:04 PM, #106
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:19 PM, #107
                    Reply Here's a character idea I was thinking about...., Tac, 31-Jul-07 08:36 AM, #115
                         Reply RE: Here's a character idea I was thinking about...., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 09:02 AM, #118
                              Reply I still don't think it would fly..., Tac, 31-Jul-07 09:41 AM, #119
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #124
                    Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:36 PM, #137
     Reply RE: Not really, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:27 PM, #110
     Reply RE: Then vs Now, Rade, 30-Jul-07 07:26 PM, #105
          Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #108
               Reply RE: Then vs Now, Rade, 30-Jul-07 11:13 PM, #111
                    Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 08:55 AM, #116
Reply RE: Anonymity, HammerSong, 26-Jun-06 01:30 PM, #82
Reply Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first place?, Abthalok, 25-Jun-06 03:16 PM, #77
Reply RE: Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first plac..., nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 04:03 PM, #79
     Reply um...?, Odrirg, 28-Jun-06 02:22 AM, #88
          Reply RE: um...?, Sandello, 28-Jun-06 01:19 PM, #89
               Reply RE: um...?, nepenthe, 28-Jun-06 05:53 PM, #92
                    Reply RE: um...?, Sandello, 28-Jun-06 06:16 PM, #93
                    Reply I wish I knew that had changed, A2, 30-Jul-07 08:45 AM, #95
Reply RE: Anonymity, Gaenlin, 25-Jun-06 01:07 PM, #75
Reply Some thoughts, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 07:51 AM, #58
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 11:08 AM, #59
Reply I find this quite an amazing line to take, incognito, 24-Jun-06 11:35 AM, #60
Reply RE: I find this quite an amazing line to take, nepenthe, 24-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #66
Reply Answers, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 12:35 PM, #61
Reply To Incog as well, sort of, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 02:01 PM, #62
Reply Hehe, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #63
     Reply RE: Hehe, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 02:39 PM, #64
          Reply Don't worry, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 02:42 PM, #65
          Reply RE: Hehe, Isildur, 27-Jun-06 04:21 PM, #85
Reply RE: Answers, nepenthe, 24-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #67
     Reply Re, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #68
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Eskelian, 26-Jun-06 08:12 AM, #81
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Valguarnera, 24-Jun-06 03:39 PM, #69
Reply Hrm, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #70
Reply RE: Hrm, nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 01:05 AM, #72
     Reply I agree with this, nebel, 25-Jun-06 11:27 AM, #74
          Reply RE: I agree with this, terinth, 27-Jun-06 10:59 PM, #86
               Reply Orcs are creatures filled with hatred violent rage, DurNominator, 28-Jun-06 01:34 AM, #87
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Kamuela_, 24-Jun-06 10:07 PM, #71
Reply Irony, Cenatar_, 25-Jun-06 02:40 PM, #76
     Reply RE: Irony, nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 03:54 PM, #78
     Reply RE: Irony, Valguarnera, 25-Jun-06 04:09 PM, #80
          Reply Ouch..., Minyar, 27-Jun-06 03:43 PM, #84
          Reply Hello valg, Cenatar_, 28-Jun-06 02:24 PM, #90
               Reply RE: Hello valg, nepenthe, 28-Jun-06 04:44 PM, #91
Reply Good post., Thinhallen, 25-Jun-06 06:54 AM, #73
Reply What I don't understand about the people complaining..., KoeKhaos, 24-Jun-06 05:23 AM, #57
Reply I knew it was you when..., (NOT Pro), 24-Jun-06 12:25 AM, #54
Reply An opinion from both sides of the fence., Farigno, 23-Jun-06 10:30 PM, #52
Reply RE: An opinion from both sides of the fence., nepenthe, 23-Jun-06 11:06 PM, #53
Reply Thank you for expressing the same thoughts I had. n/t, Cytherea, 24-Jun-06 12:49 AM, #55
Reply I don't agree with a major point here, incognito, 24-Jun-06 03:07 AM, #56
Reply Respect for stepping up to the plate., Caleban, 23-Jun-06 02:16 AM, #47
Reply Blah, N b M, 22-Jun-06 06:39 PM, #45
Reply In a void of information...., Tac, 22-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #39
Reply RE: Anonymity, Shapa, 22-Jun-06 03:19 PM, #29
Reply RE: Anonymity, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:24 PM, #31
Reply I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing...., Abernyte, 22-Jun-06 03:14 PM, #27
Reply RE: I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing...., nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:21 PM, #30
     Reply RE: :(, shamanman, 22-Jun-06 03:27 PM, #32
          Reply RE: :(, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:30 PM, #34
               Reply Well, think about it this way..., shamanman, 22-Jun-06 03:38 PM, #36
Reply I'm sorry it came out, A2, 22-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #22
Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 22-Jun-06 02:47 PM, #21
Reply RE: Anonymity, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 03:31 PM, #35
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 22-Jun-06 04:08 PM, #37
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 04:19 PM, #40
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:30 PM, #43
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:54 PM, #44
Reply Logs, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:20 PM, #15
Reply Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:13 PM, #13
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #16
Reply Good and bad for you within! TXT, Larcat, 22-Jun-06 02:33 PM, #17
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:38 PM, #18
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 02:37 PM, #19
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 03:02 PM, #23
     Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 03:15 PM, #28
     Reply Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?, Lhydia, 23-Jun-06 06:16 AM, #48
          Reply RE: Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?, Sebeok, 23-Jun-06 08:47 AM, #49
     Reply My View, Khasotholas, 27-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #83
Reply The problem is, coincedences DO happen, Theerkla, 22-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #20
Reply Yup., Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 03:09 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Yup., nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:57 PM, #38
          Reply That actually makes me feel a lot better about this. (t..., Trilo, 23-Jun-06 06:27 PM, #51
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:03 PM, #24
     Reply Thanks, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 03:12 PM, #26
     Reply RE: Thanks, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:28 PM, #33
          Reply RE: Thanks, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:31 PM, #42
     Reply RE: Here is my take on it, GoodLuckDice, 23-Jun-06 01:50 AM, #46
Reply Man... TXT, Larcat, 22-Jun-06 02:04 PM, #12
Reply Sentiments I Respect, wretchedmongrel, 22-Jun-06 01:50 PM, #10
Reply RE: Anonymity, Cenatar_, 22-Jun-06 01:26 PM, #8
Reply So what you are saying is..., Lightmage, 22-Jun-06 01:23 PM, #7
Reply RE: Anonymity, Isildur, 22-Jun-06 01:22 PM, #6
Reply RE: Anonymity, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 01:54 PM, #11
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:16 PM, #14
Reply Wow - great post., Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 01:18 PM, #5
Reply Dude, check this out, eternal_elf, 22-Jun-06 01:12 PM, #4
Reply RE: Dude, check this out, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 01:43 PM, #9
     Reply RE: Dude, check this out, valrow22, 22-Jun-06 04:34 PM, #41
     Reply You are such a tease :(. n/t, eternal_elf, 23-Jun-06 11:11 AM, #50
Reply RE: Anonymity, the shark, 22-Jun-06 01:08 PM, #2
Reply It's said that this is necessary, Theerkla, 22-Jun-06 01:01 PM, #1
     Reply I would just like to say I very strongly second the sen..., Tac, 22-Jun-06 01:11 PM, #3
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