Tac | Tue 27-Feb-07 01:38 PM |
Member since 15th Nov 2005
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#16741, "RE: Elf vs Storm pally"
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>>I'd honestly take an elf paladin over a storm paladin >>nowadays anyway, as would most other people (judging by the >>number of hero's of both without stats just impressions). >>Doesn't this make elf paladin that much better than storm >>paladin which already wasn't super? > >Why do you think an elf is hands down better than a storm >giant? I would say that a 2h storm and shield elf are >comaprable --meaning that it depends on the dedication.
Actually I think 2h elf is better than 2h storm, and that shield elf vs shield storm aren't even close. Shield elf gets better use out of healing/wrath due to higher mana and (I think) a wisdom/int based bonus to wrath and heal. Storm shield has giant resist. Shield deds aren't exactly bash meat, so an elf shield isn't going down to bash in the ways that say dark elf a-p does vs fire a-p. Giant resist isn't as big a deal when you get a lot of inherent (class) dam redux, so you're left with what as a storm giant advantage?
2h storm vs 2h elf is a closer race, but I came to the conclusion (based on my experiences) that elf with outtank storm. Mana is always a problem for pally's, so elf gets the edge there again. Being bash meat is a bigger problem for 2-handers (at least the un-virtued ones) but being a storm giant isn't going to help you land kills vs a storm, so I'd still take the better mana + wrath bonus + regen over higher strength (less likely to lose weapon until you get a no-remove) and the bash protection of a storm giant. Mostly because I'm comparing top end elf vs top end storm, so they've got the virtues and gear (Defiance) to cover those glaring vulns in the elf, where the storm doesn't gain as much and loses out on those inherent bonuses the elf gets.
I could be wrong, but I haven't seen many hero storm 2handers lately, so it seems that people are agreeing with me.
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Variable XP Penalties: A Change to the Current System
[View all] , Mekantos, Sun 25-Feb-07 06:49 PM
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Variable XP Penalties: A Change to the Current Syst...,
randombutterfly,
01-Mar-07 02:16 AM, #43
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) well, not really applicable.,
Odrirg,
01-Mar-07 03:53 AM, #44
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Just occured to me...,
Mekantos,
27-Feb-07 06:03 PM, #38
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Variable XP Penalties: A Change to the Current Syst...,
Daevryn,
25-Feb-07 10:23 PM, #1
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) We're in agreement here,
Mekantos,
26-Feb-07 01:07 AM, #2
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Iterative solutions.,
Valguarnera ,
27-Feb-07 10:58 AM, #15
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I get AP's, but why paladins?,
Tac,
27-Feb-07 01:18 PM, #21
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I get AP's, but why paladins?,
Doge,
27-Feb-07 01:25 PM, #24
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Elf vs Storm pally,
Tac,
27-Feb-07 01:38 PM #26
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Elf vs Storm pally,
Daevryn,
27-Feb-07 02:57 PM, #31
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I have deadliness bias,
Tac,
27-Feb-07 04:04 PM, #32
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) re: deadliness bias,
Daevryn,
27-Feb-07 05:05 PM, #36
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I still want to see txt,
Larcat,
27-Feb-07 05:05 PM, #35
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) You could get a little more ridiculous than that, even!,
Daevryn,
27-Feb-07 05:07 PM, #37
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) ...Are the boots from an area explore? If its a Silent ...,
shamanman,
27-Feb-07 07:27 PM, #39
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Despite 3 human paladins.,
Eskelian,
28-Feb-07 02:36 AM, #41
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Variable XP Penalties: A Change to the Current Syst...,
Karel,
26-Feb-07 01:39 AM, #3
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) yeah look at deafen,
laxman,
26-Feb-07 10:10 AM, #5
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Deafen,
Mekantos,
26-Feb-07 07:08 PM, #6
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Deafen,
Karel,
26-Feb-07 08:20 PM, #7
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) or upp deafen mana to the same as worldbind nt,
laxman,
27-Feb-07 11:00 AM, #16
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Deafen,
Eskelian,
27-Feb-07 11:07 AM, #17
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Deafen,
Valkenar,
27-Feb-07 01:22 PM, #22
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Deafen,
Eskelian,
27-Feb-07 02:13 PM, #27
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Deafen,
Valkenar,
27-Feb-07 02:29 PM, #28
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Deafen,
Eskelian,
27-Feb-07 02:56 PM, #30
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Variable XP Penalties: A Change to the Current Syst...,
N b M,
26-Feb-07 02:23 AM, #4
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Muds and PK ranges,
Dwoggurd,
27-Feb-07 02:27 AM, #8
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Muds and PK ranges,
Karel,
27-Feb-07 04:20 AM, #9
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Answers,
Dwoggurd,
27-Feb-07 05:51 AM, #10
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Answers,
Karel,
27-Feb-07 10:09 AM, #11
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Answers,
Valguarnera ,
27-Feb-07 10:50 AM, #14
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I've played these before, heavily even for a bit...,
Tac,
27-Feb-07 01:16 PM, #20
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Heh,
Dwoggurd,
27-Feb-07 01:31 PM, #25
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Heh,
Eskelian,
01-Mar-07 12:19 AM, #42
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Muds and PK ranges,
Daevryn,
27-Feb-07 10:12 AM, #12
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Lots of levelless systems out there.,
Valguarnera ,
27-Feb-07 10:41 AM, #13
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) levelless systems,
Dwoggurd,
27-Feb-07 01:14 PM, #19
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: levelless systems,
Valguarnera ,
27-Feb-07 02:52 PM, #29
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Well,
Dwoggurd,
27-Feb-07 04:18 PM, #33
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Well,
Elerosse,
27-Feb-07 05:04 PM, #34
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Make a comparison,
Dwoggurd,
28-Feb-07 01:51 AM, #40
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE,
Dwoggurd,
27-Feb-07 01:07 PM, #18
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I think Oblivion is a bad example,
Rodriguez,
27-Feb-07 01:22 PM, #23
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