Valkenar | Mon 04-Dec-06 03:30 PM |
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#15348, "RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread)"
Edited on Mon 04-Dec-06 03:32 PM
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>From BardicPlayer >As a bard, it either makes owning a shield not worth the >weight, or making songs a lot less effective. > >I wouldn't say "a lot less effective", but yes...less >effective.
So an instrument is only somewhat more effective than a capella? I strongly disagree. A mid-level instrument on a hero bard makes healing songs about 33-50% better, or at least it used to. I think that's a huge amount of effectiveness.
>As for why? The code for dual wield sucks, and making it work >for the 90% case (people with the dual wield skill) is more >important to me than the 10% case (bards and mages) As I said >above, I have it on the list, but it's below the rest of the >dual wield stuff.
How is people with dual wield the 90% case? That's warriors, assassins, most rangers, APs, Berserkers and thieves. Non dual-wielders are transmuters, conjurers, shapeshifters, necromancers, invokers, bards, healers, shaman and paladins. Warriors are the most numerous class, but even so, there are a lot of non-dual wielders.
I don't think this this change makes a huge difference in anybody's power. Not being able to wear a shield and a held item isn't a backbreaking setback for mages, bards, communers, etc. But what I don't get is that this change seems to be reducing gear options for everyone, while only gaining some superficial convenience for dual wielders in return.
Why not just let people wield whatever they want in either hand? Is it really unbalanced that way?
edit: Stupid unclosed italics tags
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Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread)
[View all] , Zulghinlour, Mon 04-Dec-06 01:49 PM
Dual-Wielding Phase 2,
Zulghinlour,
09-Dec-06 03:17 PM, #66
Dual-Wielding Phase 2.1,
Zulghinlour,
09-Dec-06 07:45 PM, #67
RE: Dual-Wielding Phase 2.1,
_Magus_,
09-Dec-06 10:38 PM, #70
RE: Dual-Wielding Phase 2.1,
Zulghinlour,
09-Dec-06 10:48 PM, #71
RE: Dual-Wielding Phase 2.1,
_Magus_,
09-Dec-06 10:52 PM, #72
RE: Dual-Wielding Phase 2.1,
Zulghinlour,
09-Dec-06 11:02 PM, #73
Thanks for the responses. ~,
_Magus_,
09-Dec-06 11:04 PM, #74
Can we get an echo for unsuccesful Dual Wield ->,
Cassman,
10-Dec-06 11:54 PM, #81
Or better yet...,
Tac,
11-Dec-06 12:38 AM, #82
Random thought...,
Tac,
11-Dec-06 12:39 AM, #83
RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread),
TheDude,
05-Dec-06 01:34 PM, #28
RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread),
Zulghinlour,
04-Dec-06 02:01 PM, #1
RE: Dual-Wielding and Fun,
Valguarnera,
04-Dec-06 03:26 PM, #2
In a game like CF, is that much of a surprise? Trying t...,
Vladamir,
04-Dec-06 05:44 PM, #6
RE: In a game like CF, is that much of a surprise? Tryi...,
Valguarnera,
04-Dec-06 09:32 PM, #16
RE: In a game like CF, is that much of a surprise? Tryi...,
Java,
05-Dec-06 06:48 AM, #19
RE: In a game like CF, is that much of a surprise? Tryi...,
Daevryn,
05-Dec-06 08:28 AM, #20
RE: In a game like CF, is that much of a surprise? Tryi...,
Java,
05-Dec-06 09:50 PM, #52
RE: Bad Game Theory:,
Valguarnera,
05-Dec-06 09:21 AM, #21
Game theory Schametheory,
Marcus_,
05-Dec-06 10:02 AM, #22
I disagree.,
(NOT Pro),
05-Dec-06 11:19 AM, #24
Lol,
Marcus_,
05-Dec-06 12:18 PM, #26
This is how I die too, I'm just not as aggressive. Marc...,
Scrimbul,
05-Dec-06 12:56 PM, #27
RE: Credibility:,
Valguarnera,
05-Dec-06 03:05 PM, #32
RE: Credibility:,
(NOT Pro),
09-Dec-06 10:30 PM, #68
RE: Credibility:,
Valguarnera,
10-Dec-06 10:03 AM, #75
I can't say if I do or don't.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 11:36 AM, #76
RE: I can't say if I do or don't.,
Nivek1,
10-Dec-06 02:03 PM, #77
I realize principles escape many people,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 07:03 PM, #78
Must be,
Nivek1,
10-Dec-06 07:17 PM, #79
You made this statment.,
(NOT Pro),
11-Dec-06 04:44 PM, #95
RE: I realize principles escape many people,
DurNominator,
11-Dec-06 01:15 PM, #89
RE: I realize principles escape many people,
Marcus_,
11-Dec-06 03:27 PM, #90
But you still use triggers.,
(NOT Pro),
11-Dec-06 04:38 PM, #91
No. Just plain no.,
Tac,
11-Dec-06 04:44 PM, #94
RE: No. Just plain no.,
(NOT Pro),
11-Dec-06 04:51 PM, #97
Hehe you remind me of old wiggle####,
Marcus_,
11-Dec-06 05:12 PM, #99
RE: No. Just plain no.,
Daevryn,
11-Dec-06 05:19 PM, #101
RE: Marcus and triggers:,
Valguarnera,
11-Dec-06 05:43 PM, #103
Ok...,
Tac,
11-Dec-06 05:56 PM, #104
RE: No. Just plain no.,
Isildur,
11-Dec-06 06:48 PM, #105
If you come up with a good answer, let me know. (n/t),
Daevryn,
11-Dec-06 07:41 PM, #108
I wish I could find the article I read...,
Tac,
11-Dec-06 08:40 PM, #110
RE: No. Just plain no.,
Marcus_,
12-Dec-06 04:22 AM, #121
Have you ever snooped me?,
(NOT Pro),
11-Dec-06 10:49 PM, #112
RE: Have you ever snooped me?,
Daevryn,
11-Dec-06 11:03 PM, #113
Nep: I don't understand what you mean?,
(NOT Pro),
11-Dec-06 11:08 PM, #114
Nope:,
Daevryn,
11-Dec-06 11:13 PM, #116
I quit doing that after Eshval told me to stop,
(NOT Pro),
11-Dec-06 11:37 PM, #118
You are wasting your time....,
Tac,
11-Dec-06 04:38 PM, #92
Your angst is not proof of fact.,
(NOT Pro),
11-Dec-06 04:53 PM, #98
RE: I can't say if I do or don't.,
Valguarnera,
10-Dec-06 07:33 PM, #80
What does my PK ratio have to do with....,
(NOT Pro),
11-Dec-06 04:42 PM, #93
Yea...,
Tac,
11-Dec-06 04:48 PM, #96
I'm not seeing a name. (n/t),
Valguarnera,
11-Dec-06 05:17 PM, #100
Here's the thing, Pro,
(NOT Graatch),
11-Dec-06 05:34 PM, #102
Made perfect sense.,
(NOT Pro),
11-Dec-06 11:05 PM, #111
Wha?,
Valguarnera,
11-Dec-06 11:21 PM, #117
I don't profess to be a PK' machine.,
(NOT Pro),
11-Dec-06 11:32 PM, #119
Additionally.,
(NOT Pro),
12-Dec-06 12:46 AM, #120
Don't call them out on the red herring bit,
N b M,
11-Dec-06 07:04 PM, #106
Jesus. So much stupid drama.,
Daevryn,
11-Dec-06 07:39 PM, #107
Ouch, junior high school.,
N b M,
11-Dec-06 08:06 PM, #109
RE: Ouch, junior high school.,
Daevryn,
11-Dec-06 11:11 PM, #115
Addendumn,
(NOT Pro),
09-Dec-06 10:35 PM, #69
RE: Game theory Schametheory,
Valguarnera,
05-Dec-06 03:15 PM, #33
RE: Game theory Schametheory,
DurNominator,
05-Dec-06 03:58 PM, #34
RE: Game theory Schametheory,
Tac,
05-Dec-06 04:14 PM, #35
RE: Game theory Schametheory,
Daevryn,
05-Dec-06 04:49 PM, #41
HA!,
Tac,
05-Dec-06 05:07 PM, #45
Either way conjie pay dirt is at 28.,
Eskelian,
11-Dec-06 03:46 AM, #85
Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a "flip...,
_Magus_,
05-Dec-06 11:26 AM, #25
RE: Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a,
Daevryn,
05-Dec-06 02:13 PM, #29
Then there is something about the code I (or you) may b...,
_Magus_,
05-Dec-06 04:35 PM, #37
RE: Then there is something about the code I (or you) m...,
Daevryn,
05-Dec-06 04:43 PM, #38
Can you explain to us how it used to work then?,
_Magus_,
05-Dec-06 04:48 PM, #40
RE: Can you explain to us how it used to work then?,
Daevryn,
05-Dec-06 04:53 PM, #42
And that doesn't strike you as being wrong? ~,
_Magus_,
05-Dec-06 04:58 PM, #44
I am pretty sure you're mistaken.,
(NOT Graatch),
05-Dec-06 05:16 PM, #47
Could be. It's been a while. (n/t),
Daevryn,
05-Dec-06 05:54 PM, #49
I'm with Graatch.,
Eskelian,
11-Dec-06 03:41 AM, #84
I'm positive you could use a held item with a broken wr...,
Jagaub,
06-Dec-06 09:44 AM, #58
You illustrated that a lot better than I could have. Th...,
_Magus_,
06-Dec-06 04:12 PM, #59
I did this with Graatch.,
(NOT Graatch),
06-Dec-06 07:52 PM, #61
I don't get to say this very much, but you're wrong.,
Java,
05-Dec-06 09:41 PM, #51
My mages routinely use shield + wand. nt,
Vladamir,
05-Dec-06 05:53 PM, #48
RE: Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a,
Zulghinlour,
05-Dec-06 02:15 PM, #30
RE: Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a,
_Magus_,
05-Dec-06 04:27 PM, #36
RE: Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a,
DurNominator,
06-Dec-06 05:17 AM, #56
RE: Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a,
Eskelian,
11-Dec-06 03:56 AM, #87
Are you sure you're thinking of the same guy? nt,
Vladamir,
05-Dec-06 04:57 PM, #43
You know what?,
Dwoggurd,
05-Dec-06 04:04 AM, #17
RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread),
Valkenar,
04-Dec-06 03:32 PM #3
RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread),
Daevryn,
04-Dec-06 06:27 PM, #8
RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread),
Igsoeh,
04-Dec-06 03:45 PM, #4
RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread),
Daevryn,
04-Dec-06 06:32 PM, #9
I'll give you a case, at least for instrument not being...,
Scrimbul,
04-Dec-06 06:46 PM, #10
Would you feel that way...,
Daevryn,
04-Dec-06 08:05 PM, #13
RE: Would you feel that way...,
Scrimbul,
04-Dec-06 08:15 PM, #14
Actually, speaking as someone who has used a shield to ...,
Vladamir,
04-Dec-06 08:46 PM, #15
I just want to say...,
Tac,
04-Dec-06 04:33 PM, #5
RE: I just want to say...,
Daevryn,
04-Dec-06 06:24 PM, #7
RE: I just want to say...,
Vladamir,
04-Dec-06 07:22 PM, #12
Solution,
WildGirl,
04-Dec-06 07:17 PM, #11
That's not really fair.,
Java,
05-Dec-06 06:41 AM, #18
RE: That's not really fair.,
Zulghinlour,
05-Dec-06 02:22 PM, #31
RE: That's not really fair.,
Java,
05-Dec-06 04:45 PM, #39
Simple steps to determine if this is a good idea.,
Farigno,
05-Dec-06 11:09 AM, #23
You should stay away from humor as much as possible. ~,
_Magus_,
05-Dec-06 05:07 PM, #46
I would retort that perhaps you need to fine one.,
Farigno,
05-Dec-06 09:17 PM, #50
I have plenty of humor, kthxbye,
_Magus_,
05-Dec-06 10:11 PM, #54
RE: I have plenty of humor, kthxbye,
Farigno,
06-Dec-06 09:25 PM, #64
Ok, right after you do this:,
Java,
05-Dec-06 09:53 PM, #53
RE: Ok, right after you do this:,
Farigno,
06-Dec-06 01:36 AM, #55
Realistic you say,
Greddarh,
06-Dec-06 07:46 AM, #57
RE: Realistic you say,
Farigno,
06-Dec-06 07:06 PM, #60
I have a very simple solution.,
Rogue,
06-Dec-06 08:31 PM, #63
The problem is you got it backwards.,
Eskelian,
11-Dec-06 03:50 AM, #86
I'd just smack the bouncer with the recorder ;) then ma...,
Rogue,
06-Dec-06 08:27 PM, #62
Yay! Finally someone with a sense of humor! n/t,
Farigno,
07-Dec-06 12:04 AM, #65
RE: Simple steps to determine if this is a good idea.,
Eskelian,
11-Dec-06 04:01 AM, #88
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