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elmeri_Fri 27-Oct-06 06:53 PM
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#15076, "A few power issues with haste being non-option as quaffable"


          

My world just stopped there for a moment, but I think I'm getting a grasp at things again. While I got kicked in the junk big time, I also think it is great to see cf changed in a way that causes a big yay from the majority of the pbase! Afterall, no amount of overpowered prep makes it fun, if there is no one who enjoys logging on to make me use it
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Here, I am making comparisons between fighters who did in fact have the necessary knowledge for having preps up.

Warrior vs. AP
I think the anti-paladin gains a significant powerup, even with reduced haste, he has a major advantage over the previously hasted, now non-hasted high end warrior.

Warrior vs. thief/assassin
Stealth class gets the shaft in this one. If you assume that both have the means to get themselves some haste, it is no longer possible to get the suprise advantage, since being able to prepare for a fight is less of an issue.

Warrior vs. bard
I think the warrior gets major shaft here. One of the very few ways for a warrior to beat down a bard solo, is to outdo them in melee well enough to permalag them untill death. I fought Seltun with Gharahka, as a duergar with damroll around 60, dual wielding iron axes hasted, and I had hard time outmeleeing him (might have had haste too). If the possiblity of having haste advantage over a bard is taken away from a warrior, I think the fight becomes a no-brainer. Even more so for rager bards (I know their redux got tweaked down, but it still makes it impossible to kill one solo since their melee defense is just overwhelming).


I need to wake up in 3 hours, I will think of more.

I would like to hear the imm comments (especially nepenthe's) on what you think of my observations, and are these things you had in considerations.

  

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HOT TopicWell since no one else has jumped the gun [View all] , Drag0nSt0rm, Fri 27-Oct-06 01:19 AM
Reply gun jumping, Thrakburzug, 28-Oct-06 07:12 PM, #42
Reply My thoughts on the recent changes., jaynus, 28-Oct-06 02:51 AM, #40
Reply My vote for most effected by this change., Odrirg, 27-Oct-06 11:52 PM, #39
Reply RE: My vote for most effected by this change., Daevryn, 28-Oct-06 08:49 AM, #41
Reply Uhm..., Odrirg, 29-Oct-06 01:22 AM, #43
     Reply let me be a bit clearer., Odrirg, 29-Oct-06 02:26 AM, #44
          Reply RE: let me be a bit clearer., Daevryn, 29-Oct-06 08:50 AM, #45
               Reply It comes down to..., Lightmage, 29-Oct-06 09:14 AM, #46
Reply RE: My vote for most effected by this change., Isildur, 29-Oct-06 10:03 AM, #47
Reply Delete Delete, Astillian, 27-Oct-06 07:58 PM, #35
Reply RE: Delete Delete, Daevryn, 27-Oct-06 08:04 PM, #36
     Reply Hmmm..., Astillian, 27-Oct-06 08:18 PM, #37
     Reply RE: Hmmm..., Daevryn, 29-Oct-06 11:30 AM, #49
     Reply Hey! I was close to a 50% PK ratio, and so was Bliggy ..., TheLastMohican, 27-Oct-06 08:52 PM, #38
Reply A few power issues with haste being non-option as quaff..., elmeri_, 27-Oct-06 06:53 PM #33
Reply But teleport may fail now. Right?, Dwoggurd, 27-Oct-06 02:00 PM, #27
Reply RE: But teleport may fail now. Right?, (NOT Graatch), 27-Oct-06 02:18 PM, #29
     Reply Heh, chill down, Dwoggurd, 27-Oct-06 02:23 PM, #30
     Reply RE: But teleport may fail now. Right?, Isildur, 29-Oct-06 10:05 AM, #48
Reply I'm sure you'll be shocked at my concern here., (NOT Graatch), 27-Oct-06 01:53 PM, #26
Reply Here is an idea, Hippy, 27-Oct-06 02:06 PM, #28
Reply Im sure there is more to come. n/t, Lightmage, 27-Oct-06 02:30 PM, #31
Reply RE: I'm sure you'll be shocked at my concern here., Tac, 27-Oct-06 02:33 PM, #32
Reply I love the change also, Hippy, 27-Oct-06 01:03 PM, #23
Reply I love this change. One Question:, Adhelard, 27-Oct-06 12:02 PM, #20
Reply RE: One Question:, Valguarnera, 27-Oct-06 12:41 PM, #22
     Reply RE: One Question:, Daevryn, 27-Oct-06 01:38 PM, #25
Reply what about gates of the forge, laxman, 27-Oct-06 09:01 AM, #15
Reply RE: what about gates of the forge, Daevryn, 27-Oct-06 10:55 AM, #18
Reply RE: Well since no one else has jumped the gun, Daevryn, 27-Oct-06 07:45 AM, #7
Reply Question of my own to Daev:, shamanman, 27-Oct-06 05:49 AM, #6
Reply RE: Question of my own to Daev:, Daevryn, 27-Oct-06 07:55 AM, #12
Reply Skeptical, Mayaletha, 27-Oct-06 05:55 AM, #5
Reply RE: Skeptical, Daevryn, 27-Oct-06 07:55 AM, #11
Reply Haste, Bloodlust and regen, Abernyte, 27-Oct-06 03:24 AM, #4
Reply RE: Haste, Bloodlust and regen, Daevryn, 27-Oct-06 07:54 AM, #10
Reply RE: Well since no one else has jumped the gun, Erenthell, 27-Oct-06 02:33 AM, #3
Reply My concern, elmeri_, 27-Oct-06 02:04 AM, #2
Reply RE: My concern, Daevryn, 27-Oct-06 07:48 AM, #9
     Reply Silly question., elmeri_, 27-Oct-06 09:11 AM, #16
Reply RE: Well since no one else has jumped the gun, Karel, 27-Oct-06 01:46 AM, #1
     Reply RE: Well since no one else has jumped the gun, Daevryn, 27-Oct-06 07:47 AM, #8
          Reply Right, just so I am clear., Shadowmaster, 27-Oct-06 07:56 AM, #13
          Reply Opinion noted., Valguarnera, 27-Oct-06 09:18 AM, #17
          Reply RE: Right, just so I am clear., Daevryn, 27-Oct-06 11:39 AM, #19
               Reply Do you want me to comment on all the good?, Shadowmaster, 27-Oct-06 12:16 PM, #21
                    Reply Wow, you're STILL bitching about Cabdru?, Rogue, 27-Oct-06 01:15 PM, #24
                    Reply Please Read This, Mayaletha, 27-Oct-06 07:43 PM, #34
          Reply Nepenthe can you answer one thing relating to that poin..., Lightmage, 27-Oct-06 08:27 AM, #14
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