Eskelian | Mon 26-Jun-06 08:12 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
2023 posts
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#13636, "RE: Some thoughts"
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These are just my opinions.
I think that there are a few issues at play, which, if finessed, can bring a lot of enjoyment to a lot of parties in the game.
1) The quest system for CF is at times somewhat sloppy. Ditto for the wand system. It isn't that people mind challenge, or exploration. Its that the miriad of boggling dead ends (dead ends that make little sense) are discouraging and at times, seemingly random. I've brought up a few items to Nepenthe, which just hit me off the top of my head. I'm sure given enough time I could work out a number of others. But, mainly, the consistancy is a tad off and if that were rectified, it would give more incentive to explore. One key example is work vs reward (consistant rewards for similiar tasks) and consistancy in behavior of quest NPCs. For instance, expanding quest NPC vocabulary, having them react similiarly to logging out (preferably not at all unless its a time based thing), etc. Another example is that if something should by logic work, it should be cleaned up so that slight variations don't break it.
2) I believe a lot of people worry about whether or not the type of exploration parties that are required for some areas are possible in CF currently. Additionally, a lot of people are afraid to even go to these areas in exploration parties because they feel that without an experienced 'in the know' guide, they won't make it anywhere. This poses a significant portion of the "getting those items was unfair" line. I can say that at hero, given the raiding schema, lack of players and typical balance of support characters it is very difficult to get exploration parties together. Not impossible, but, certainly not very easy. I'm wondering if there's some rebalancing or cabal based quests that can help grant incentive to this portion of the game, and not make it feel 'gear-whorey' and 'disloyal' for a cabal to go and explore. Half the time I'm too busy raiding/retrieving/regearing, it would be nice if the cabal itself helped push exploration because that would help me 'get away' with exploring.
3) There are a lot of areas/quests which, for the amount of effort required to navigate/complete them, the reward is very, very small. This should maybe be looked into, and goes back to point one.
4) Finally, between the raid system and high end exploration areas, it may be worth considering given a con penalty reduction for deaths in an area explore. A lot of people just cannot afford to burn 5 con on exploring areas that require 30 con to figure out.
No one really cares if Nep does well, so far as I can tell (at least, not many people if anyone at all), however what you're seeing is their own frustration boiling through. They cannot get item X, yet the Imm who coded it can. Now, I'll trust Nepenthe if he says its more of a brute force thing, and parties haven't been assembled which can kill said mobs. Regardless, that dissatisfaction I think can be cleared up with a few relatively minor changes.
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Anonymity
[View all] , nepenthe, Tue 31-Jul-07 02:26 PM
Thread locked.,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 06:28 PM, #148
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #132
RE: Arolin and bugs:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 03:03 PM, #134
Arolin was a cheating #### and I'm glad he's gone.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:53 PM, #140
RE: Anonymity,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 10:29 AM, #121
RE: Role contest:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 11:13 AM, #122
RE: Role contest:,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:40 PM, #123
He clearly said he wasn't addressing other points.~,
Aodh,
31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #125
I am not sure I understand your post.,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:49 PM, #126
No need to be difficult,
jasmin,
31-Jul-07 12:58 PM, #127
RE: Unsolicited input.,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 01:22 PM, #128
you are ignoring the "meat" of my post,
jasmin,
31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #133
RE: Role contest:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 01:39 PM, #129
Why delete my post?,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 02:33 PM, #130
RE: Why delete my post?,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 02:42 PM, #131
RE: Why delete my post?,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:35 PM, #136
Dear Deathweaver/Shadowmaster/Conclave/etc:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 06:24 PM, #146
Dead horses.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:28 PM, #135
RE: Dead horses.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:42 PM, #138
RE: Dead horses.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:51 PM, #139
RE: Dead horses.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 04:04 PM, #142
Found it.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 04:36 PM, #143
RE: Found it.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 04:46 PM, #144
RE: Found it.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 05:05 PM, #145
RE: Anonymity,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:59 PM, #141
Just One Question,
ORB,
31-Jul-07 06:25 PM, #147
Then vs Now,
Rade,
29-Jul-07 03:02 PM, #94
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 08:48 AM, #96
Not really,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 03:05 PM, #97
RE: Not really,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 03:38 PM, #98
RE: Not really,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:03 PM, #99
I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt,
Larcat,
30-Jul-07 04:18 PM, #100
RE: I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:38 PM, #101
IC Information Sharing,
Kastellyn,
30-Jul-07 04:44 PM, #102
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:59 PM, #103
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #109
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
31-Jul-07 02:10 AM, #113
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 08:57 AM, #117
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
31-Jul-07 10:15 AM, #120
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Kastellyn,
31-Jul-07 12:09 AM, #112
i remember rank 25 valguarnera showing me that quest,
laxman,
31-Jul-07 06:50 AM, #114
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 07:43 PM, #104
Are you capable of not being an ass in how you share?,
Nightshade,
30-Jul-07 08:04 PM, #106
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:19 PM, #107
Here's a character idea I was thinking about....,
Tac,
31-Jul-07 08:36 AM, #115
RE: Here's a character idea I was thinking about....,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 09:02 AM, #118
I still don't think it would fly...,
Tac,
31-Jul-07 09:41 AM, #119
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #124
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:36 PM, #137
RE: Not really,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:27 PM, #110
RE: Then vs Now,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 07:26 PM, #105
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #108
RE: Then vs Now,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 11:13 PM, #111
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 08:55 AM, #116
RE: Anonymity,
HammerSong,
26-Jun-06 01:30 PM, #82
Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first place?,
Abthalok,
25-Jun-06 03:16 PM, #77
RE: Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first plac...,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 04:03 PM, #79
um...?,
Odrirg,
28-Jun-06 02:22 AM, #88
RE: um...?,
Sandello,
28-Jun-06 01:19 PM, #89
RE: um...?,
nepenthe,
28-Jun-06 05:53 PM, #92
RE: um...?,
Sandello,
28-Jun-06 06:16 PM, #93
I wish I knew that had changed,
A2,
30-Jul-07 08:45 AM, #95
RE: Anonymity,
Gaenlin,
25-Jun-06 01:07 PM, #75
Some thoughts,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 07:51 AM, #58
RE: Some thoughts,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 11:08 AM, #59
I find this quite an amazing line to take,
incognito,
24-Jun-06 11:35 AM, #60
RE: I find this quite an amazing line to take,
nepenthe,
24-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #66
Answers,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 12:35 PM, #61
To Incog as well, sort of,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 02:01 PM, #62
Hehe,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #63
RE: Hehe,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 02:39 PM, #64
Don't worry,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 02:42 PM, #65
RE: Hehe,
Isildur,
27-Jun-06 04:21 PM, #85
RE: Answers,
nepenthe,
24-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #67
Re,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #68
RE: Some thoughts,
Eskelian,
26-Jun-06 08:12 AM #81
RE: Some thoughts,
Valguarnera,
24-Jun-06 03:39 PM, #69
Hrm,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #70
RE: Hrm,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 01:05 AM, #72
I agree with this,
nebel,
25-Jun-06 11:27 AM, #74
RE: I agree with this,
terinth,
27-Jun-06 10:59 PM, #86
Orcs are creatures filled with hatred violent rage,
DurNominator,
28-Jun-06 01:34 AM, #87
RE: Some thoughts,
Kamuela_,
24-Jun-06 10:07 PM, #71
Irony,
Cenatar_,
25-Jun-06 02:40 PM, #76
RE: Irony,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 03:54 PM, #78
RE: Irony,
Valguarnera,
25-Jun-06 04:09 PM, #80
Ouch...,
Minyar,
27-Jun-06 03:43 PM, #84
Hello valg,
Cenatar_,
28-Jun-06 02:24 PM, #90
RE: Hello valg,
nepenthe,
28-Jun-06 04:44 PM, #91
Good post.,
Thinhallen,
25-Jun-06 06:54 AM, #73
What I don't understand about the people complaining...,
KoeKhaos,
24-Jun-06 05:23 AM, #57
I knew it was you when...,
(NOT Pro),
24-Jun-06 12:25 AM, #54
An opinion from both sides of the fence.,
Farigno,
23-Jun-06 10:30 PM, #52
RE: An opinion from both sides of the fence.,
nepenthe,
23-Jun-06 11:06 PM, #53
Thank you for expressing the same thoughts I had. n/t,
Cytherea,
24-Jun-06 12:49 AM, #55
I don't agree with a major point here,
incognito,
24-Jun-06 03:07 AM, #56
Respect for stepping up to the plate.,
Caleban,
23-Jun-06 02:16 AM, #47
Blah,
N b M,
22-Jun-06 06:39 PM, #45
In a void of information....,
Tac,
22-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #39
RE: Anonymity,
Shapa,
22-Jun-06 03:19 PM, #29
RE: Anonymity,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:24 PM, #31
I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing....,
Abernyte,
22-Jun-06 03:14 PM, #27
RE: I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing....,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:21 PM, #30
RE: :(,
shamanman,
22-Jun-06 03:27 PM, #32
RE: :(,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:30 PM, #34
Well, think about it this way...,
shamanman,
22-Jun-06 03:38 PM, #36
I'm sorry it came out,
A2,
22-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #22
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
22-Jun-06 02:47 PM, #21
RE: Anonymity,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 03:31 PM, #35
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
22-Jun-06 04:08 PM, #37
RE: Anonymity,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 04:19 PM, #40
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:30 PM, #43
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:54 PM, #44
Logs,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:20 PM, #15
Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:13 PM, #13
RE: Here is my take on it,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #16
Good and bad for you within! TXT,
Larcat,
22-Jun-06 02:33 PM, #17
RE: Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:38 PM, #18
RE: Here is my take on it,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 02:37 PM, #19
RE: Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 03:02 PM, #23
RE: Here is my take on it,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 03:15 PM, #28
Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?,
Lhydia,
23-Jun-06 06:16 AM, #48
RE: Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?,
Sebeok,
23-Jun-06 08:47 AM, #49
My View,
Khasotholas,
27-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #83
The problem is, coincedences DO happen,
Theerkla,
22-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #20
Yup.,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 03:09 PM, #25
RE: Yup.,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:57 PM, #38
That actually makes me feel a lot better about this. (t...,
Trilo,
23-Jun-06 06:27 PM, #51
RE: Here is my take on it,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:03 PM, #24
Thanks,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 03:12 PM, #26
RE: Thanks,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:28 PM, #33
RE: Thanks,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:31 PM, #42
RE: Here is my take on it,
GoodLuckDice,
23-Jun-06 01:50 AM, #46
Man... TXT,
Larcat,
22-Jun-06 02:04 PM, #12
Sentiments I Respect,
wretchedmongrel,
22-Jun-06 01:50 PM, #10
RE: Anonymity,
Cenatar_,
22-Jun-06 01:26 PM, #8
So what you are saying is...,
Lightmage,
22-Jun-06 01:23 PM, #7
RE: Anonymity,
Isildur,
22-Jun-06 01:22 PM, #6
RE: Anonymity,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 01:54 PM, #11
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:16 PM, #14
Wow - great post.,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 01:18 PM, #5
Dude, check this out,
eternal_elf,
22-Jun-06 01:12 PM, #4
RE: Dude, check this out,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 01:43 PM, #9
RE: Dude, check this out,
valrow22,
22-Jun-06 04:34 PM, #41
You are such a tease :(. n/t,
eternal_elf,
23-Jun-06 11:11 AM, #50
RE: Anonymity,
the shark,
22-Jun-06 01:08 PM, #2
It's said that this is necessary,
Theerkla,
22-Jun-06 01:01 PM, #1
I would just like to say I very strongly second the sen...,
Tac,
22-Jun-06 01:11 PM, #3
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