Amaranthe | Sat 24-Jun-06 02:00 PM |
Member since 17th Mar 2003
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#13611, "To Incog as well, sort of"
Edited on Sat 24-Jun-06 02:01 PM
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Just a few points I'll touch on here for now:
If you like exploration you are not obligated to look into databases. Go ahead and explore. You will have fun.
That's not true. If you spend 3 weeks puzzling something out and finally achieve the aquisition of the Widget of Wazoo, it's much less satisfying if everyone and their uncle also has the Widget of Wazoo because they looked up step-by-step instructions on a web site.
What you say can be true of a single player game because in such a case, you are in your own isolated little game - your achievement is yours alone. But part of the appeal of a multiplayer game is to measure your accomplishments, not just in PK but otherwise, against other players. It's much less fun to get the said Widget if other people aren't saying "WOW! JOE has the Widget of Wazoo! Incredible! I've only seen that TWICE!"
Now, this isn't to say I don't understand what you are saying. Games like World of Warcraft have all the mechanics and items and such up on web sites galore for the taking. I on and off play games like World of Warcraft, much of the time using those sources because, because, well, self-achievement on solving a World of Warcraft quest is utterly meaningless. But I still have had fun on games like WoW, but in the end, when I want that, I play WoW. When I play Carrion Fields, I'm looking for something more sophisticated, frankly. I'm not interested in seeing Carrion Fields turn into a text version of WoW.
I will say I've played roughly 742 games over the years, including other MMORPGs/MUDs, and Carrion Fields is the only one I've played fairly consistently for 12 years. There's gotta be something to that.
But if you create a game and win because you know something special that other don't, well, you should be ready to be blamed.
I suppose so. But from the other end, it's also foolish to assume that someone's achievement is entirely because of what they know. I can look at code and snoop and such until the cows come home, and I'm never going to be as skilled in PK as, say, a Jinroh. Just not going to happen. I don't have the personality, game focus, twitch, or style to do it. Period. Similarly, we could make all the game knowledge in the world public tomorrow, and the vast majority of players aren't going to be as good as Nepenthe, either. And I can guara-freakin'-tee you that if all the code was public, and an imm still wiped the floor with his character, everyone would accuse him of cheating/having unfair advantages anyways. It's a no-win situation.
But going with your premise, playing fields just aren't always level. Period. There are people in this world born with a silver spoon in their mouths that crash and burn, and others who have ambition and intelligence and drive and become billionaires. Some of it may be their opportunity and education, but some of it is still just comes from within. That person with ambition AND wealth/contacts/whatever may have advantages that the rest of us don't, and people burn with envy/judgement/whatever, but in the end that person gives the rest of society a whole ####load of jobs and some nice condo complexes to live in or whatever. It works out. Just because someone achieves something you don't, whether it's because they are smarter or born into more wealth or whatever, doesn't mean you're a less valuable person or that you should just throw up your arms and give up on the game of life.
I can say with some level of confidence that the staff of CF is on the straight and narrow WAY more than the majority of MUDs out there. Whatever advantage an handful of imms might have is honestly earned.
Talking about a level playing field, there's nothing to stop you from becoming an imm, doing a buttload of work for years, and knowing just as much as any of us do. We're equal-opportunity "employers".
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Anonymity
[View all] , nepenthe, Tue 31-Jul-07 02:26 PM
Thread locked.,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 06:28 PM, #148
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #132
RE: Arolin and bugs:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 03:03 PM, #134
Arolin was a cheating #### and I'm glad he's gone.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:53 PM, #140
RE: Anonymity,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 10:29 AM, #121
RE: Role contest:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 11:13 AM, #122
RE: Role contest:,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:40 PM, #123
He clearly said he wasn't addressing other points.~,
Aodh,
31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #125
I am not sure I understand your post.,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:49 PM, #126
No need to be difficult,
jasmin,
31-Jul-07 12:58 PM, #127
RE: Unsolicited input.,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 01:22 PM, #128
you are ignoring the "meat" of my post,
jasmin,
31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #133
RE: Role contest:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 01:39 PM, #129
Why delete my post?,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 02:33 PM, #130
RE: Why delete my post?,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 02:42 PM, #131
RE: Why delete my post?,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:35 PM, #136
Dear Deathweaver/Shadowmaster/Conclave/etc:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 06:24 PM, #146
Dead horses.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:28 PM, #135
RE: Dead horses.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:42 PM, #138
RE: Dead horses.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:51 PM, #139
RE: Dead horses.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 04:04 PM, #142
Found it.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 04:36 PM, #143
RE: Found it.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 04:46 PM, #144
RE: Found it.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 05:05 PM, #145
RE: Anonymity,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:59 PM, #141
Just One Question,
ORB,
31-Jul-07 06:25 PM, #147
Then vs Now,
Rade,
29-Jul-07 03:02 PM, #94
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 08:48 AM, #96
Not really,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 03:05 PM, #97
RE: Not really,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 03:38 PM, #98
RE: Not really,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:03 PM, #99
I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt,
Larcat,
30-Jul-07 04:18 PM, #100
RE: I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:38 PM, #101
IC Information Sharing,
Kastellyn,
30-Jul-07 04:44 PM, #102
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:59 PM, #103
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #109
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
31-Jul-07 02:10 AM, #113
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 08:57 AM, #117
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
31-Jul-07 10:15 AM, #120
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Kastellyn,
31-Jul-07 12:09 AM, #112
i remember rank 25 valguarnera showing me that quest,
laxman,
31-Jul-07 06:50 AM, #114
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 07:43 PM, #104
Are you capable of not being an ass in how you share?,
Nightshade,
30-Jul-07 08:04 PM, #106
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:19 PM, #107
Here's a character idea I was thinking about....,
Tac,
31-Jul-07 08:36 AM, #115
RE: Here's a character idea I was thinking about....,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 09:02 AM, #118
I still don't think it would fly...,
Tac,
31-Jul-07 09:41 AM, #119
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #124
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:36 PM, #137
RE: Not really,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:27 PM, #110
RE: Then vs Now,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 07:26 PM, #105
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #108
RE: Then vs Now,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 11:13 PM, #111
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 08:55 AM, #116
RE: Anonymity,
HammerSong,
26-Jun-06 01:30 PM, #82
Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first place?,
Abthalok,
25-Jun-06 03:16 PM, #77
RE: Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first plac...,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 04:03 PM, #79
um...?,
Odrirg,
28-Jun-06 02:22 AM, #88
RE: um...?,
Sandello,
28-Jun-06 01:19 PM, #89
RE: um...?,
nepenthe,
28-Jun-06 05:53 PM, #92
RE: um...?,
Sandello,
28-Jun-06 06:16 PM, #93
I wish I knew that had changed,
A2,
30-Jul-07 08:45 AM, #95
RE: Anonymity,
Gaenlin,
25-Jun-06 01:07 PM, #75
Some thoughts,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 07:51 AM, #58
RE: Some thoughts,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 11:08 AM, #59
I find this quite an amazing line to take,
incognito,
24-Jun-06 11:35 AM, #60
RE: I find this quite an amazing line to take,
nepenthe,
24-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #66
Answers,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 12:35 PM, #61
To Incog as well, sort of,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 02:01 PM #62
Hehe,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #63
RE: Hehe,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 02:39 PM, #64
Don't worry,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 02:42 PM, #65
RE: Hehe,
Isildur,
27-Jun-06 04:21 PM, #85
RE: Answers,
nepenthe,
24-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #67
Re,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #68
RE: Some thoughts,
Eskelian,
26-Jun-06 08:12 AM, #81
RE: Some thoughts,
Valguarnera,
24-Jun-06 03:39 PM, #69
Hrm,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #70
RE: Hrm,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 01:05 AM, #72
I agree with this,
nebel,
25-Jun-06 11:27 AM, #74
RE: I agree with this,
terinth,
27-Jun-06 10:59 PM, #86
Orcs are creatures filled with hatred violent rage,
DurNominator,
28-Jun-06 01:34 AM, #87
RE: Some thoughts,
Kamuela_,
24-Jun-06 10:07 PM, #71
Irony,
Cenatar_,
25-Jun-06 02:40 PM, #76
RE: Irony,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 03:54 PM, #78
RE: Irony,
Valguarnera,
25-Jun-06 04:09 PM, #80
Ouch...,
Minyar,
27-Jun-06 03:43 PM, #84
Hello valg,
Cenatar_,
28-Jun-06 02:24 PM, #90
RE: Hello valg,
nepenthe,
28-Jun-06 04:44 PM, #91
Good post.,
Thinhallen,
25-Jun-06 06:54 AM, #73
What I don't understand about the people complaining...,
KoeKhaos,
24-Jun-06 05:23 AM, #57
I knew it was you when...,
(NOT Pro),
24-Jun-06 12:25 AM, #54
An opinion from both sides of the fence.,
Farigno,
23-Jun-06 10:30 PM, #52
RE: An opinion from both sides of the fence.,
nepenthe,
23-Jun-06 11:06 PM, #53
Thank you for expressing the same thoughts I had. n/t,
Cytherea,
24-Jun-06 12:49 AM, #55
I don't agree with a major point here,
incognito,
24-Jun-06 03:07 AM, #56
Respect for stepping up to the plate.,
Caleban,
23-Jun-06 02:16 AM, #47
Blah,
N b M,
22-Jun-06 06:39 PM, #45
In a void of information....,
Tac,
22-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #39
RE: Anonymity,
Shapa,
22-Jun-06 03:19 PM, #29
RE: Anonymity,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:24 PM, #31
I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing....,
Abernyte,
22-Jun-06 03:14 PM, #27
RE: I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing....,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:21 PM, #30
RE: :(,
shamanman,
22-Jun-06 03:27 PM, #32
RE: :(,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:30 PM, #34
Well, think about it this way...,
shamanman,
22-Jun-06 03:38 PM, #36
I'm sorry it came out,
A2,
22-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #22
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
22-Jun-06 02:47 PM, #21
RE: Anonymity,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 03:31 PM, #35
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
22-Jun-06 04:08 PM, #37
RE: Anonymity,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 04:19 PM, #40
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:30 PM, #43
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:54 PM, #44
Logs,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:20 PM, #15
Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:13 PM, #13
RE: Here is my take on it,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #16
Good and bad for you within! TXT,
Larcat,
22-Jun-06 02:33 PM, #17
RE: Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:38 PM, #18
RE: Here is my take on it,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 02:37 PM, #19
RE: Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 03:02 PM, #23
RE: Here is my take on it,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 03:15 PM, #28
Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?,
Lhydia,
23-Jun-06 06:16 AM, #48
RE: Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?,
Sebeok,
23-Jun-06 08:47 AM, #49
My View,
Khasotholas,
27-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #83
The problem is, coincedences DO happen,
Theerkla,
22-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #20
Yup.,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 03:09 PM, #25
RE: Yup.,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:57 PM, #38
That actually makes me feel a lot better about this. (t...,
Trilo,
23-Jun-06 06:27 PM, #51
RE: Here is my take on it,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:03 PM, #24
Thanks,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 03:12 PM, #26
RE: Thanks,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:28 PM, #33
RE: Thanks,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:31 PM, #42
RE: Here is my take on it,
GoodLuckDice,
23-Jun-06 01:50 AM, #46
Man... TXT,
Larcat,
22-Jun-06 02:04 PM, #12
Sentiments I Respect,
wretchedmongrel,
22-Jun-06 01:50 PM, #10
RE: Anonymity,
Cenatar_,
22-Jun-06 01:26 PM, #8
So what you are saying is...,
Lightmage,
22-Jun-06 01:23 PM, #7
RE: Anonymity,
Isildur,
22-Jun-06 01:22 PM, #6
RE: Anonymity,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 01:54 PM, #11
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:16 PM, #14
Wow - great post.,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 01:18 PM, #5
Dude, check this out,
eternal_elf,
22-Jun-06 01:12 PM, #4
RE: Dude, check this out,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 01:43 PM, #9
RE: Dude, check this out,
valrow22,
22-Jun-06 04:34 PM, #41
You are such a tease :(. n/t,
eternal_elf,
23-Jun-06 11:11 AM, #50
RE: Anonymity,
the shark,
22-Jun-06 01:08 PM, #2
It's said that this is necessary,
Theerkla,
22-Jun-06 01:01 PM, #1
I would just like to say I very strongly second the sen...,
Tac,
22-Jun-06 01:11 PM, #3
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