Amaranthe | Sat 24-Jun-06 11:03 AM |
Member since 17th Mar 2003
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#13605, "RE: Some thoughts"
Edited on Sat 24-Jun-06 11:08 AM
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Are there advantages and disadvantages between different players? Sure. But those advantages are not necessarily equated with who is an immortal or who is not.
I can guarantee you that the vast majority of active players know substantially more than I do in terms of wand locations, even after being an imm for years and years. So whatever advantage there might be between some item-saavy imm and a non-imm, and a non-item-saavy imm and an item-saavy mortal.. it's all irrevelent. Fundamentally speaking, most imms are good players not because they are imms, but because they are veteran players. (And for the record, for every Nepenthe there are plenty of imm characters that are not earth-shattering or even noticed. Hell, for every talk-of-the-town mortal some imm is to discovered to have played, there may be half a dozen other characters played by the exact same imm that no one had a single conspiracy theory about!)
You really don't want equity. At least *I* don't want equity. At the risk of getting into political discourse, socialism is bunny-fluff happy in theory but insideously destructive in practice.
Your analogy to games like chess or football are irrelevant because games like chess and football DO have inequities. Some players are stronger, faster, smarter, whatever. You have to learn to work around that, and just do your best against stronger players and strategies, and have fun. Whether you are physically stronger or not is equalized in a MUD. Instead, the factors of competition in CF are in part items and knowledge. It's what gives the game longevity, to constantly be expanding your knowledge and thus improving your game.
If everyone could just look up locations of items on a database somewhere, it would remove a factor of long-term competition. Not to mention, it would ruin the exploration element (which is fun for a LOT of player-types, myself included). Even people who refused to look on the database are screwed out of exploration challenges when those things become common knowledge. Similarly it would ruin roleplaying opportunities.. bargaining or flattering another character for knowledge, etc. That's the beauty of it.. you insert these elements, and they become a major player in PK, and by extention, a player in exploration and RP as well.
To take an extreme, everything would be *most* equitible if you just dropped everyone into the game with identical stats and sub-issue items, popped them all to level 51 and queued them into equally balanced fights in some perfectly balanced battlefield. But, that would be a different game (and I dare suspect, one you wouldn't play as much.) Again, that is an extreme, but the theory still applies.
What makes any game or story interesting is conflict, mystery, uncertainty. Does my opponent have him some good wands, or not? Where can I find my own? How can I find my own? Maybe I can persuade him to share them with me, or explore on my own... And on and on.
This isn't just some strategy/twitch game... it's a strategy/twitch game interwoven with story elements, and with relationship elements. "The cat sat on the mat." is not a story. "The cat sat on the dog's mat.", now *there's* a story.
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Anonymity
[View all] , nepenthe, Tue 31-Jul-07 02:26 PM
Thread locked.,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 06:28 PM, #148
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #132
RE: Arolin and bugs:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 03:03 PM, #134
Arolin was a cheating #### and I'm glad he's gone.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:53 PM, #140
RE: Anonymity,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 10:29 AM, #121
RE: Role contest:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 11:13 AM, #122
RE: Role contest:,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:40 PM, #123
He clearly said he wasn't addressing other points.~,
Aodh,
31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #125
I am not sure I understand your post.,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:49 PM, #126
No need to be difficult,
jasmin,
31-Jul-07 12:58 PM, #127
RE: Unsolicited input.,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 01:22 PM, #128
you are ignoring the "meat" of my post,
jasmin,
31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #133
RE: Role contest:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 01:39 PM, #129
Why delete my post?,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 02:33 PM, #130
RE: Why delete my post?,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 02:42 PM, #131
RE: Why delete my post?,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:35 PM, #136
Dear Deathweaver/Shadowmaster/Conclave/etc:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 06:24 PM, #146
Dead horses.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:28 PM, #135
RE: Dead horses.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:42 PM, #138
RE: Dead horses.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:51 PM, #139
RE: Dead horses.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 04:04 PM, #142
Found it.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 04:36 PM, #143
RE: Found it.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 04:46 PM, #144
RE: Found it.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 05:05 PM, #145
RE: Anonymity,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:59 PM, #141
Just One Question,
ORB,
31-Jul-07 06:25 PM, #147
Then vs Now,
Rade,
29-Jul-07 03:02 PM, #94
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 08:48 AM, #96
Not really,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 03:05 PM, #97
RE: Not really,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 03:38 PM, #98
RE: Not really,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:03 PM, #99
I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt,
Larcat,
30-Jul-07 04:18 PM, #100
RE: I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:38 PM, #101
IC Information Sharing,
Kastellyn,
30-Jul-07 04:44 PM, #102
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:59 PM, #103
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #109
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
31-Jul-07 02:10 AM, #113
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 08:57 AM, #117
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
31-Jul-07 10:15 AM, #120
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Kastellyn,
31-Jul-07 12:09 AM, #112
i remember rank 25 valguarnera showing me that quest,
laxman,
31-Jul-07 06:50 AM, #114
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 07:43 PM, #104
Are you capable of not being an ass in how you share?,
Nightshade,
30-Jul-07 08:04 PM, #106
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:19 PM, #107
Here's a character idea I was thinking about....,
Tac,
31-Jul-07 08:36 AM, #115
RE: Here's a character idea I was thinking about....,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 09:02 AM, #118
I still don't think it would fly...,
Tac,
31-Jul-07 09:41 AM, #119
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #124
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:36 PM, #137
RE: Not really,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:27 PM, #110
RE: Then vs Now,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 07:26 PM, #105
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #108
RE: Then vs Now,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 11:13 PM, #111
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 08:55 AM, #116
RE: Anonymity,
HammerSong,
26-Jun-06 01:30 PM, #82
Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first place?,
Abthalok,
25-Jun-06 03:16 PM, #77
RE: Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first plac...,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 04:03 PM, #79
um...?,
Odrirg,
28-Jun-06 02:22 AM, #88
RE: um...?,
Sandello,
28-Jun-06 01:19 PM, #89
RE: um...?,
nepenthe,
28-Jun-06 05:53 PM, #92
RE: um...?,
Sandello,
28-Jun-06 06:16 PM, #93
I wish I knew that had changed,
A2,
30-Jul-07 08:45 AM, #95
RE: Anonymity,
Gaenlin,
25-Jun-06 01:07 PM, #75
Some thoughts,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 07:51 AM, #58
RE: Some thoughts,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 11:08 AM #59
I find this quite an amazing line to take,
incognito,
24-Jun-06 11:35 AM, #60
RE: I find this quite an amazing line to take,
nepenthe,
24-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #66
Answers,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 12:35 PM, #61
To Incog as well, sort of,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 02:01 PM, #62
Hehe,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #63
RE: Hehe,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 02:39 PM, #64
Don't worry,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 02:42 PM, #65
RE: Hehe,
Isildur,
27-Jun-06 04:21 PM, #85
RE: Answers,
nepenthe,
24-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #67
Re,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #68
RE: Some thoughts,
Eskelian,
26-Jun-06 08:12 AM, #81
RE: Some thoughts,
Valguarnera,
24-Jun-06 03:39 PM, #69
Hrm,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #70
RE: Hrm,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 01:05 AM, #72
I agree with this,
nebel,
25-Jun-06 11:27 AM, #74
RE: I agree with this,
terinth,
27-Jun-06 10:59 PM, #86
Orcs are creatures filled with hatred violent rage,
DurNominator,
28-Jun-06 01:34 AM, #87
RE: Some thoughts,
Kamuela_,
24-Jun-06 10:07 PM, #71
Irony,
Cenatar_,
25-Jun-06 02:40 PM, #76
RE: Irony,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 03:54 PM, #78
RE: Irony,
Valguarnera,
25-Jun-06 04:09 PM, #80
Ouch...,
Minyar,
27-Jun-06 03:43 PM, #84
Hello valg,
Cenatar_,
28-Jun-06 02:24 PM, #90
RE: Hello valg,
nepenthe,
28-Jun-06 04:44 PM, #91
Good post.,
Thinhallen,
25-Jun-06 06:54 AM, #73
What I don't understand about the people complaining...,
KoeKhaos,
24-Jun-06 05:23 AM, #57
I knew it was you when...,
(NOT Pro),
24-Jun-06 12:25 AM, #54
An opinion from both sides of the fence.,
Farigno,
23-Jun-06 10:30 PM, #52
RE: An opinion from both sides of the fence.,
nepenthe,
23-Jun-06 11:06 PM, #53
Thank you for expressing the same thoughts I had. n/t,
Cytherea,
24-Jun-06 12:49 AM, #55
I don't agree with a major point here,
incognito,
24-Jun-06 03:07 AM, #56
Respect for stepping up to the plate.,
Caleban,
23-Jun-06 02:16 AM, #47
Blah,
N b M,
22-Jun-06 06:39 PM, #45
In a void of information....,
Tac,
22-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #39
RE: Anonymity,
Shapa,
22-Jun-06 03:19 PM, #29
RE: Anonymity,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:24 PM, #31
I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing....,
Abernyte,
22-Jun-06 03:14 PM, #27
RE: I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing....,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:21 PM, #30
RE: :(,
shamanman,
22-Jun-06 03:27 PM, #32
RE: :(,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:30 PM, #34
Well, think about it this way...,
shamanman,
22-Jun-06 03:38 PM, #36
I'm sorry it came out,
A2,
22-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #22
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
22-Jun-06 02:47 PM, #21
RE: Anonymity,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 03:31 PM, #35
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
22-Jun-06 04:08 PM, #37
RE: Anonymity,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 04:19 PM, #40
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:30 PM, #43
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:54 PM, #44
Logs,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:20 PM, #15
Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:13 PM, #13
RE: Here is my take on it,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #16
Good and bad for you within! TXT,
Larcat,
22-Jun-06 02:33 PM, #17
RE: Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:38 PM, #18
RE: Here is my take on it,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 02:37 PM, #19
RE: Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 03:02 PM, #23
RE: Here is my take on it,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 03:15 PM, #28
Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?,
Lhydia,
23-Jun-06 06:16 AM, #48
RE: Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?,
Sebeok,
23-Jun-06 08:47 AM, #49
My View,
Khasotholas,
27-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #83
The problem is, coincedences DO happen,
Theerkla,
22-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #20
Yup.,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 03:09 PM, #25
RE: Yup.,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:57 PM, #38
That actually makes me feel a lot better about this. (t...,
Trilo,
23-Jun-06 06:27 PM, #51
RE: Here is my take on it,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:03 PM, #24
Thanks,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 03:12 PM, #26
RE: Thanks,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:28 PM, #33
RE: Thanks,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:31 PM, #42
RE: Here is my take on it,
GoodLuckDice,
23-Jun-06 01:50 AM, #46
Man... TXT,
Larcat,
22-Jun-06 02:04 PM, #12
Sentiments I Respect,
wretchedmongrel,
22-Jun-06 01:50 PM, #10
RE: Anonymity,
Cenatar_,
22-Jun-06 01:26 PM, #8
So what you are saying is...,
Lightmage,
22-Jun-06 01:23 PM, #7
RE: Anonymity,
Isildur,
22-Jun-06 01:22 PM, #6
RE: Anonymity,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 01:54 PM, #11
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:16 PM, #14
Wow - great post.,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 01:18 PM, #5
Dude, check this out,
eternal_elf,
22-Jun-06 01:12 PM, #4
RE: Dude, check this out,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 01:43 PM, #9
RE: Dude, check this out,
valrow22,
22-Jun-06 04:34 PM, #41
You are such a tease :(. n/t,
eternal_elf,
23-Jun-06 11:11 AM, #50
RE: Anonymity,
the shark,
22-Jun-06 01:08 PM, #2
It's said that this is necessary,
Theerkla,
22-Jun-06 01:01 PM, #1
I would just like to say I very strongly second the sen...,
Tac,
22-Jun-06 01:11 PM, #3
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