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ValguarneraFri 26-Mar-04 12:56 PM
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#4177, "RE: Good Killing Neutral"


          

1. It's been historical thing and accepted for a long time

No, it hasn't. Egregious cases have been dealt with for a long time. We obviously don't turn everyone evil the first time they kill a neutral mob, and it's not at the top of the list of bad roleplay, but it's not a trivial problem either.

2. Playability (Tarus bracers)

Plenty of alternatives. If I see a strong example (dwarf paladin killing Tarus for gear, etc), I'll happily thump the person in question. In most cases, I'll just be unimpressed and maybe make a note.

3. Visiting chessmasters and elsewhere (if any)

You've obviously never read that butler's description.

4. Unfair advantage (If Good can't kill neutral for eq, then all things considered, Evil has more access to more equipment. Also because Evil can kill Evil for equipment, and are not bound by the request-within-same-level-region barrier)

- Request is a pretty nice balance. It's much more useful that being able to kill things of your own alignment in a general sense.
- You'll generally have a role reason to kill certain neutrals. A Tribunal would probably feel justified taking the fight to neutral bandits, etc.
- There's a difference between "neutral because of no beliefs" (e.g., a squirrel, a golem) and "neutral because of beliefs" (e.g. that squirrel's protector druid, a wood-elf).

On the same topic, why aren't the imms bearing down more on svirfs who act for all intents and purposes, like mass murderers?

We also regularly turn neutral characters into betrayers if they ignore enough warnings. We've also turned some neutrals good (against their will) for toadying to the Fortress constantly and basically acting "good". You might not see it much because they tend to delete.

It's definitely not the kind of roleplay that gets you noticed or rewarded.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

  

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HOT TopicGood Killing Neutral [View all] , Thelleneor, Fri 09-Apr-04 11:49 AM
Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, Isildur, 13-Feb-07 11:14 AM, #50
Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, Isildur, 13-Feb-07 11:14 AM, #51
Reply you crack me up, laxman, 13-Feb-07 02:58 PM, #52
Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, ellen, 13-Feb-07 10:33 AM, #49
Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, Boldereth, 12-Apr-04 09:42 AM, #47
Reply The way I handle it..., Vladamir, 27-Mar-04 07:22 PM, #28
Reply I hope they change it so they just decline. nt, Cerunnir, 27-Mar-04 07:44 PM, #29
Reply Yeah because actually roleplaying it out is bad for the..., Vladamir, 27-Mar-04 08:09 PM, #30
     Reply It isnt roleplay wise good that Ludan attack you outrig..., Cerunnir, 27-Mar-04 07:53 PM, #31
          Reply Why not?, Vladamir, 27-Mar-04 08:08 PM, #32
               Reply What about. Dispose of his fool, elite dwarven guards. ..., Cerunnir, 27-Mar-04 08:12 PM, #33
Reply on the other hand, incognito, 27-Mar-04 10:21 PM, #34
     Reply Yes but as a paladin I felt obligated not to stereotype..., Vladamir, 28-Mar-04 04:23 PM, #35
Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, Sevarecan, 26-Mar-04 09:48 PM, #19
Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, Isildur, 26-Mar-04 07:43 PM, #17
Reply Agreed (n/t), Valguarnera, 26-Mar-04 11:06 PM, #20
Reply Good to have you back, Isildur. (n/t), Little Timmy (Anonymous), 27-Mar-04 03:46 PM, #27
Reply In CF, the precedent means nothing...so stop using it a..., Wilhath, 26-Mar-04 03:20 PM, #6
Reply Seeking clarity., General_Malaise, 26-Mar-04 03:31 PM, #7
Reply RE: In CF, the precedent means nothing...so stop using ..., Thelleneor, 26-Mar-04 05:43 PM, #9
     Reply I don't think playability is an issue., Wilhath, 26-Mar-04 06:22 PM, #10
          Reply RE: I don't think playability is an issue., Thelleneor, 26-Mar-04 06:56 PM, #14
               Reply Generally, yes., Wilhath, 27-Mar-04 11:41 AM, #24
                    Reply RE: Covering wear slots:, Valguarnera, 27-Mar-04 03:16 PM, #26
Reply Beat me to it, here's what was gonna be my post. :P, General_Malaise, 26-Mar-04 02:56 PM, #5
Reply For what it's worth..., nepenthe, 06-Apr-04 09:20 PM, #38
     Reply Out of interest, how did your paladin come to wield, Evil Genius (Anonymous), 07-Apr-04 03:52 AM, #39
     Reply RE: Out of interest, how did your paladin come to wield, nepenthe, 07-Apr-04 05:16 PM, #41
     Reply Who cares?, Moridin, 07-Apr-04 07:36 AM, #43
          Reply Why was my answer deleted but his false accusation left..., Evil Genius (Anonymous), 08-Apr-04 03:25 AM, #44
               Reply Text enclosed., Valguarnera, 08-Apr-04 03:52 AM, #46
                    Reply RE: Text enclosed., Moridin, 14-Apr-04 03:52 PM, #48
     Reply How about requesting from neutrals?, General_Malaise, 07-Apr-04 09:15 AM, #40
          Reply RE: How about requesting from neutrals?, nepenthe, 07-Apr-04 05:33 PM, #42
               Reply That's all..., General_Malaise, 08-Apr-04 02:08 PM, #45
Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, Valguarnera, 26-Mar-04 12:56 PM #3
Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, Beer, 26-Mar-04 02:47 PM, #4
Reply Quick question, General_Malaise, 26-Mar-04 03:36 PM, #8
Reply RE: Quick question, Thelleneor, 26-Mar-04 06:29 PM, #12
Reply RE: Elite dwarven guards., Valguarnera, 26-Mar-04 11:10 PM, #21
     Reply How about requesting from neutrals?, General_Malaise, 29-Mar-04 10:24 AM, #36
          Reply Why not have neutrals not attack, just evils?, Cassman, 29-Mar-04 04:48 PM, #37
Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, Thelleneor, 26-Mar-04 06:27 PM, #11
     Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, Isildur, 27-Mar-04 12:27 AM, #22
Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, incognito, 26-Mar-04 12:32 PM, #2
Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, shokai, 26-Mar-04 12:30 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, Thelleneor, 26-Mar-04 06:42 PM, #13
     Reply Play and evil character. Then come back to us., Cerunnir, 26-Mar-04 07:23 PM, #15
          Reply Playing Evil, Thelleneor, 26-Mar-04 07:40 PM, #16
               Reply Ok, paladins cant kill neutrals., Cerunnir, 26-Mar-04 09:08 PM, #18
               Reply balance and game mechanics are linked, incognito, 27-Mar-04 02:23 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Good Killing Neutral, Isildur, 27-Mar-04 12:38 AM, #23
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