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ZulghinlourSat 15-Aug-09 01:29 PM
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#26396, "RE: Secrecy"


          

>I think you over-estimate the power (and misjudge the
>motivations) of the current OOC knowledge market. I can think
>of one major "secret"-type thing (like Shadow) still in the
>game that still seems to be a pretty well-kept secret.

If it's what I think it is...Meh, it's still a secret of sorts, but it's not really anything I'd care about if I knew anyway, unlike the Shadow cabal.

>Personally, I hate the fact that OOC information sharing is so
>stigmatized. I feel like the underlying assumption you're
>making when you say things like "today's CF" is that most OOC
>circles are bad eggs trying to undermine the game, and this
>simply doesn't jive with my experience. We as human beings are
>social animals. We enjoy the game more when we are sharing it
>with our friends.
And while it's true I don't have an
>administrator's perspective on this, my experience is that the
>vast majority of the other players I talk to outside of the
>game aren't interested in power-combos and perma-gangs.
>They're looking for role advice, or stats on certain items,
>regear advice, or just someone to share their triumphs and
>failures with.

I have no problem with people sharing the game with their friends (the bolded section above), where I see things go awry is when you're sharing the game with your friends outside of the game. That's not actually sharing, that's just dumping information on them. It is why I think some place like Silent Tower won't survive the way the author originally envisioned it.

>Long story short, I think you need (and the staff in general
>needs) to reconsider what you think "today's CFer" enjoys and
>wants out of the game before you make these kinds of
>decisions.

I think you need to understand what we enjoy and want out of the game as well. I brought this up a bit with my J.J. Abrahms post. Part of the fun I get from building up areas/quests is seeing people get through them on their own. Follow the clues, kill the baddie, get the loot. When that boils down to a text document on www.gamefaqs.com I lose motivation.

One of the best times I had was running a group of folks through Trothon the first time. I had no idea how the transitions worked, what I was up against, and when I got through it there was a sense of accomplishment. The reason I haven't written an area in a very long time is because it won't be what I want it to be. I strive to build in that sense of accomplishment. I do think the Dragon Lair's do that well (there are tricks you'll figure out to build a group, and how to take on the dragons). You don't need a huge time investment (an hour maybe, instead of 5-10 in Hell), and even if you know everything there is to know going into the fight...it's still going to be a challenge. I fall back to Xoltrindar all the time as one of the more interesting AI projects I did for a mob. I know EXACTLY how he works, I wrote the entire prog, and I STILL die to the bastard (partly because of some of the randomness I threw into the AI).

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

  

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HOT TopicSilent Tower Rethought.... maybe [View all] , Daevryn, Sat 15-Aug-09 01:42 AM
Reply My Thoughts, Dragomir, 23-Aug-09 07:46 PM, #90
Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, Exit, 21-Aug-09 09:19 PM, #89
Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, Tyrjal, 21-Aug-09 02:34 AM, #86
Reply Sadly, the playerbase being what it is, this would like..., Theerkla, 21-Aug-09 05:27 AM, #87
     Reply Oh and.., Cerunnir, 21-Aug-09 03:49 PM, #88
Reply My take on silent tower., Kadsuane, 20-Aug-09 11:09 AM, #84
Reply RE: My take on silent tower., Daevryn, 20-Aug-09 11:16 AM, #85
Reply Another possible solution, incognito, 19-Aug-09 05:11 PM, #83
Reply Make the rewards rot on leaving the tower maybe?, muchos2, 19-Aug-09 12:06 PM, #81
Reply I like this idea., Quixotic, 19-Aug-09 01:47 PM, #82
Reply Modern times, Valkenar, 18-Aug-09 09:07 AM, #80
Reply Thing is, incognito, 18-Aug-09 02:42 AM, #79
Reply On time-intensiveness, DurNominator, 18-Aug-09 12:21 AM, #78
Reply The puzzles are what made it, Grudan, 17-Aug-09 11:00 AM, #77
Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, Xanthrailles, 16-Aug-09 01:58 PM, #73
Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, Eskelian, 16-Aug-09 01:57 PM, #72
Reply Crackball thought., Quixotic, 16-Aug-09 01:54 PM, #71
Reply Throwdown vs riddle, laxman, 16-Aug-09 08:35 AM, #63
Reply RE: Throwdown vs riddle, Daevryn, 16-Aug-09 10:04 AM, #65
     Reply This sums up the problem with brute force to me, incognito, 16-Aug-09 12:58 PM, #69
          Reply Seriously- Brits don't perma nt, Abernyte, 16-Aug-09 05:09 PM, #74
               Reply RE: Seriously- Brits don't perma nt, incognito, 17-Aug-09 02:44 AM, #75
Reply people don't post cheats to help, bobbyp, 16-Aug-09 08:00 AM, #62
Reply For solo, think less puzzle and more complex, intriguin..., Boon, 15-Aug-09 06:25 PM, #55
Reply my opinion, Jhyrbian, 15-Aug-09 06:09 PM, #54
Reply RE: my opinion, A2, 15-Aug-09 09:40 PM, #56
Reply Very good point, Mekantos, 16-Aug-09 01:09 AM, #58
     Reply RE: Very good point, Daevryn, 16-Aug-09 01:21 AM, #59
          Reply did anyone ever figure out how to talk? nt, Jhyrbian, 16-Aug-09 06:31 AM, #61
               Reply Yep., Daevryn, 16-Aug-09 10:01 AM, #64
                    Reply Btw, Mekantos, 16-Aug-09 12:56 PM, #68
                         Reply RE: Btw, Daevryn, 16-Aug-09 01:02 PM, #70
Reply Both Sides of the Coin, Straklaw, 15-Aug-09 05:12 PM, #52
Reply RE: Both Sides of the Coin, Daevryn, 15-Aug-09 05:26 PM, #53
     Reply RE: Both Sides of the Coin, Aodh, 16-Aug-09 04:15 AM, #60
Reply Personally I'd like to see, Lokain, 15-Aug-09 05:08 PM, #51
Reply I think Lokain's idea has merit., GinGa, 16-Aug-09 11:43 AM, #66
Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, Isildur, 15-Aug-09 03:42 PM, #47
Reply Quick fix, Mekantos, 15-Aug-09 03:11 PM, #46
Reply That would actually just make it worse, Nightgaunt_, 15-Aug-09 04:49 PM, #50
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Reply Two points, The Heretic, 15-Aug-09 01:42 PM, #38
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Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, asylumius, 15-Aug-09 12:25 PM, #33
Reply Long time on-and-offer's thoughts, RandomThinker, 15-Aug-09 11:49 AM, #24
Reply Thumbs down, imo, Mort, 15-Aug-09 11:20 AM, #21
Reply An old-timer's viewpoint, HunterElf, 15-Aug-09 11:21 AM, #20
Reply The biggest thing I think that hurts solo-exploration, _Magus_, 15-Aug-09 11:41 AM, #23
     Reply You are just exploring with the wrong class, Nightgaunt_, 15-Aug-09 11:57 AM, #27
          Reply The problem with that is..., _Magus_, 15-Aug-09 12:09 PM, #29
               Reply RE: The problem with that is..., Nightgaunt_, 15-Aug-09 12:18 PM, #31
                    Reply Not to get off on a tangent..., _Magus_, 15-Aug-09 02:29 PM, #42
Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, ORB, 15-Aug-09 10:42 AM, #16
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     Reply I don't like Imm quest idea..., ORB, 15-Aug-09 12:42 PM, #35
          Reply I don't like it either..., Zulghinlour, 15-Aug-09 03:04 PM, #45
Reply RE: Secrecy, Splntrd, 15-Aug-09 10:42 AM, #15
Reply Good post n/t, Lokain, 15-Aug-09 12:27 PM, #34
Reply RE: Secrecy, Zulghinlour, 15-Aug-09 01:29 PM #37
Reply Precisely..., asylumius, 15-Aug-09 02:12 PM, #40
Reply I'm dying with curiosity now nt, Lokain, 15-Aug-09 02:43 PM, #43
Reply I totally agree with you on almost everything..., TMNS, 15-Aug-09 02:26 PM, #41
Reply RE: Secrecy, asylumius, 15-Aug-09 02:08 PM, #39
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Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, Daevryn, 15-Aug-09 10:51 AM, #17
     Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, Splntrd, 15-Aug-09 11:02 AM, #19
     Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, Daevryn, 15-Aug-09 04:13 PM, #49
     Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, Nightgaunt_, 15-Aug-09 11:56 AM, #26
     Reply Nah., Splntrd, 15-Aug-09 12:08 PM, #28
     Reply RE: Nah., Nightgaunt_, 15-Aug-09 12:16 PM, #30
          Reply Oh, I see what you're getting at. nt, Splntrd, 15-Aug-09 12:19 PM, #32
     Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, Daevryn, 15-Aug-09 04:04 PM, #48
     Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, Rade, 15-Aug-09 11:55 PM, #57
Reply Meh., Iunna, 15-Aug-09 08:44 AM, #12
Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, _Magus_, 15-Aug-09 08:22 AM, #11
Reply Does that add anything to the game?, Stunna, 15-Aug-09 07:02 AM, #10
Reply I prefer the puzzle type area, incognito, 15-Aug-09 06:44 AM, #9
Reply Why that won't work, Nightgaunt_, 15-Aug-09 11:53 AM, #25
Reply I almost got into ST..., Aodh, 15-Aug-09 05:57 AM, #7
Reply Why I'm against groups, vargal, 15-Aug-09 06:06 AM, #8
Reply RE: I almost got into ST..., Cerunnir, 15-Aug-09 10:25 AM, #13
Reply Think you know my idea on this..., Torak, 15-Aug-09 04:34 AM, #6
Reply I really like the idea here!, Amberion, 15-Aug-09 10:56 AM, #18
Reply My thoughts on this, fwiw, Mekantos, 15-Aug-09 04:27 AM, #5
Reply No matter what it needs to come back., Guilo, 15-Aug-09 03:30 AM, #4
Reply RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe, vargal, 15-Aug-09 02:32 AM, #3
Reply I wouldn't be against a Silent Reimagining., TMNS, 15-Aug-09 02:20 AM, #1
     Reply RE: I wouldn't be against a Silent Reimagining., Nightgaunt_, 15-Aug-09 02:31 AM, #2
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