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IsildurMon 23-Feb-09 03:49 PM
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#23864, "RE: Also consider"


          

I felt like it was fine. But then, I was kind of off doing my own thing.

I like to be scientific about this stuff, so here are "hours at induction" and "hours at maran" stats for all the maran PBFs since Daichyl, who inducted Mizfara. If they never made maran then the second number in parentheses is their hours at deletion:

Hayim: 40, 129
Corticas: 38, (69)
Gralbin: 23, 76
Enrai: 56, 101
Ilvakihj: 14, 119
Illunas: 6, 109
Oraimus: 38, (104)
Kenric: 24, (73)
Catast: 20, (58)
Iaru: 51, (107)
Ilbjorga: 28, (88)
Tanith: 22, 84
Jaisel: 51, 115
Iltanthal: 44, 149
Llondolis: 43, 141
Kernagor: 11, 90
Vyadesh: 33, (94)
Mizfara: 106, 170
Cyruil: 34, 98
Erendinia: 37, 108
Quiltell: 24, 86
Kayella: 43, 94
Jeqo: 111, (152)
Ilirenen: 45, 85
Hiajist: 30, 129
Acvilar: 28, 132
Narclarn: 81, (155)
Angaarn: 64, 235
Laernoch: 28, (145)
Vyborny: 21, (92)
Tondumalanas: 24, 111
Daichyl: 53, 107

Now, with regards to induction, we have no idea when these people sent their notes or actually started trying to get inducted. Mizfara, for instance, waited a long time to do this. But I'll give you stats anyway:

HOURS AT INDUCTION:
Min: 6 hours (Illunas)
Median: 35.5 hours
Max: 111 hours (Jeqo)

The only reason Jeqo took that long is that, in my opinion, he was not cut out to be a Maran. I think most people (other than Jeqo) will agree with me on that. The character with the next highest hours at induction? Mizfara.

TIME SPENT AS A SQUIRE BEFORE MAKING MARAN:
Min: 40 hours (Ilirenen)
Median: 71 hours
Max: 171 (Angaarn)

Interestingly, Ilirenen (Warren) also got on some peoples' nerves. And yet he still made maran super-quick. Angaarn was well-liked and well role-played, but it seemed like he died every five minutes. Angaarn is also an outlier; the four highest totals after him are all around 105 hours.

Basically this tells me the following: If you've been a squire longer than ~110 hours then you can start to think you're doing something wrong. If you haven't been a squire for at least that long then it's probably wrong to ascribe any meaning to it. Witness the fact that Iltanthal, Acvilar and Ilvakihj all spent ~105 hours as squires, and they were all eventually put into leadership positions.

TIME SPENT AS A SQUIRE WITHOUT MAKING MARAN BEFORE DELETING:
Min: 31 (Corticas)
Median: 60
Max: 117 (Laernoch)

As I recall, Laernoch was like Angaarn in that he died every five minutes. The next highest after him was Narclarn at 74 hours. This suggests to me that people just aren't sticking around long enough after being inducted.


Interestingly, here are the squire times for characters that eventually made leader, i.e. they were "doing something right" and generally looked upon favorably by cabal leadership:

Enrai: 45
Ilvakihj: 105
Iltanthal: 105
Llondolis: 98
Mizfara: 64
Cyruil: 64
Acvilar: 104
Daichyl: 54

So 50% of those spent about 100 hours as a squire, including Twist, who theoretically knows what the hell he's doing RP wise. Also witness the difference between Java's two characters, Llondolis and Enrai. Was Enrai that much better of a character? Probably not.

  

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HOT TopicMaran [View all] , Tac, Mon 23-Feb-09 02:07 PM
Reply RE: Maran, Daevryn, 23-Feb-09 08:43 PM, #21
Reply Because you totally didn't bring that on yourself. nt, Scrimbul, 23-Feb-09 09:44 PM, #22
Reply It's true., Daevryn, 23-Feb-09 10:19 PM, #23
     Reply RE: It's true., Dark Priest, 24-Feb-09 12:18 PM, #35
Reply Next time I have the time...., Tac, 24-Feb-09 09:23 AM, #27
Reply RE: Next time I have the time...., Isildur, 24-Feb-09 10:04 AM, #28
     Reply that's exactly what I was thinking., Aodh, 24-Feb-09 10:06 AM, #29
     Reply So in a world where people have less time on their hand..., Scrimbul, 24-Feb-09 12:25 PM, #36
          Reply This whole thread is silly, Baerinika, 24-Feb-09 12:38 PM, #38
          Reply Please allow for the fact, incognito, 24-Feb-09 01:54 PM, #40
               Reply More importantly, incognito, 24-Feb-09 01:56 PM, #41
               Reply I hate ap's and necros nt, Baerinika, 24-Feb-09 02:00 PM, #43
               Reply RE: Please allow for the fact, Baerinika, 24-Feb-09 01:59 PM, #42
                    Reply RE: Please allow for the fact, Isildur, 24-Feb-09 02:42 PM, #44
                    Reply I think I do that already, Baerinika, 24-Feb-09 02:59 PM, #45
                    Reply Arguing aside, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 24-Feb-09 04:47 PM, #48
                         Reply RE: Arguing aside, Isildur, 24-Feb-09 05:09 PM, #49
                         Reply Members, Baerinika, 24-Feb-09 05:16 PM, #52
                              Reply RE: Members, Sarien, 25-Feb-09 11:34 AM, #67
                         Reply Evil Outlanders and picking off squires, Twist, 24-Feb-09 05:12 PM, #51
                         Reply Problem with player promotions:, Aodh, 24-Feb-09 05:24 PM, #53
                         Reply because they have an ulterior motive?, incognito, 24-Feb-09 05:27 PM, #55
                              Reply RE: because they have an ulterior motive?, Zulghinlour, 24-Feb-09 06:49 PM, #60
                    Reply If you've seen the Fortress members command..., Zulghinlour, 24-Feb-09 03:17 PM, #46
                    Reply That's a very good point, incognito, 24-Feb-09 05:26 PM, #54
          Reply RE: So in a world where people have less time on their ..., Isildur, 24-Feb-09 12:43 PM, #39
          Reply You are wasting the effort Isildur put into compiling t..., Adhelard, 24-Feb-09 03:24 PM, #47
               Reply RE: You are wasting the effort Isildur put into compili..., Isildur, 24-Feb-09 05:10 PM, #50
                    Reply You're lucky I'm a sucker for statistics. txt, Isildur, 24-Feb-09 06:46 PM, #59
                         Reply I think we're all lucky, Adhelard, 24-Feb-09 07:47 PM, #65
                              Reply RE: I think we're all lucky, Isildur, 24-Feb-09 08:31 PM, #66
Reply =P, Lhydia, 24-Feb-09 07:05 PM, #62
Reply Well... Then you should try Scion as it is., Amberion, 23-Feb-09 06:21 PM, #14
Reply RE: Well... Then you should try Scion as it is., Isildur, 23-Feb-09 06:27 PM, #17
Reply Battle sucks sometimes...., Tac, 23-Feb-09 06:31 PM, #19
Reply Well..., Vortex Magus, 24-Feb-09 10:57 AM, #31
Reply That would be a chancellor's decision, not immortal one, Tac, 23-Feb-09 06:28 PM, #18
     Reply Agreed, as Cedek I got in after 2 easy interveiws...., Amberion, 23-Feb-09 07:52 PM, #20
Reply I think it sort of stems from the origination of the ca..., Theerkla, 23-Feb-09 06:04 PM, #12
Reply RE: Maran, Isildur, 23-Feb-09 02:52 PM, #3
Reply Also consider, Baerinika, 23-Feb-09 02:56 PM, #4
Reply RE: Also consider, Isildur, 23-Feb-09 03:49 PM #5
Reply I was intrigued, Mekantos, 23-Feb-09 04:39 PM, #8
Reply Consider this from my side, then., Dallevian, 23-Feb-09 05:35 PM, #10
Reply RE: Consider this from my side, then., Isildur, 23-Feb-09 06:01 PM, #11
Reply I'm lazy...., Tac, 23-Feb-09 06:27 PM, #16
Reply From Endalion's PBF, DurNominator, 23-Feb-09 05:16 PM, #9
Reply RE: Maran, Adhelard, 23-Feb-09 03:58 PM, #6
     Reply RE: Maran, Isildur, 23-Feb-09 04:12 PM, #7
Reply Speaking only for myself, not Baerinika..., Twist, 23-Feb-09 02:23 PM, #2
Reply Well...., Tac, 23-Feb-09 06:23 PM, #15
Reply So, Maraning is just PK-based?, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 24-Feb-09 08:45 AM, #24
     Reply RE: So, Maraning is just PK-based?, Daevryn, 24-Feb-09 08:53 AM, #26
Reply You won't be playing Empire either then..., Zulghinlour, 23-Feb-09 02:20 PM, #1
     Reply Getting Maran = Becoming Sect Leader?, Tac, 23-Feb-09 06:15 PM, #13
     Reply Have you crunched the numbers?, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 24-Feb-09 08:50 AM, #25
     Reply RE: Have you crunched the numbers?, Zulghinlour, 24-Feb-09 11:09 AM, #32
          Reply RE: Have you crunched the numbers?, Isildur, 24-Feb-09 12:01 PM, #34
               Reply Do you want to take a stab at time to Elite?, Adhelard, 24-Feb-09 12:38 PM, #37
                    Reply RE: Do you want to take a stab at time to Elite?, Isildur, 24-Feb-09 06:53 PM, #61
     Reply I don't know about you., Vortex Magus, 24-Feb-09 10:51 AM, #30
          Reply RE: I don't know about you., Zulghinlour, 24-Feb-09 11:11 AM, #33
          Reply re: backstabbing, Aodh, 24-Feb-09 05:37 PM, #56
               Reply RE: re: backstabbing, Daevryn, 24-Feb-09 06:28 PM, #57
               Reply RE: re: backstabbing, Isildur, 24-Feb-09 07:22 PM, #63
               Reply Backstabbing is only part of it, Twist, 24-Feb-09 07:46 PM, #64
          Reply RE: I don't know about you., Daevryn, 24-Feb-09 06:32 PM, #58
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