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AdhelardFri 09-Jan-09 06:46 PM
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#23276, ""upper echelons" and my Genius Plan"
Edited on Fri 09-Jan-09 06:48 PM

          

Well, without going into whether any of those "upper echelons" have more than a 5% chance of actually solo PKing an ABandS mage without an "already writhing" type of situation ... are we agreeing, but talking a matter of degree here?

Meaning, we agree that there is a distinct, fairly rare set of dangerous non-mage characters that a mage would "need" ABandS to fight on equal footing?

But we disagree that this set is limited to, say less than 5 characters at a given time?

I disagree that ABandS is necessary to fight those guys (AB*or*S, yes, but not AB*and*S), but I'm OK with that Because my new plan, really, is to place mages in the same competitive field as those "upper echelon" non-mage characters. Basically, the mages have to compete with each other over a limited set of permenant ABandS talismans that have unlimited charges. The more I think about it, the more genius it sounds. What makes the characters you listed "dangerous"? Larely their skill, of course, but also their limited weapons and gear. Only two people can have that Defiance. Only two people can have that Humansunder. Etc. So put mages into the same equation -- only 4 or 5 mages can have that nocharge barrier talisman. (And probably put a crumble flag on it if it stays in a Rager's inventory for too long.)

I can't believe no one has thought of this before.

Think about it. No more easter egg hunts. Everyone knows the 4-5 mobs where these nocharge limited ABandS talismans come from. You just need them to be "in" on the mob, or you need to PK someone to get them. And once you do, you're capable of being one of the most powerful characters in the game, with full ABandS.

  

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HOT Locked TopicSleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands [View all] , Daevryn, Sun 04-Jan-09 10:58 PM
Reply After reading ~60% of this thread..., Splntrd, 27-Jan-09 03:22 PM, #159
Reply What we need is a newbie IMM. Which, coincedentally, i..., TheLastMohican, 27-Jan-09 04:20 PM, #160
     Reply Though optimistic this system officially makes me wish ..., EXB, 28-Jan-09 04:21 AM, #161
Reply Why?, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 01:19 AM, #145
Reply One very good reason:, Mekantos, 21-Jan-09 02:13 AM, #150
Reply RE: One very good reason:, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 02:19 AM, #151
Reply RE: Why?, Gabe, 26-Jan-09 11:58 PM, #158
Reply RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands, Pendragon_Surtr, 17-Jan-09 08:20 AM, #144
Reply RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 01:55 AM, #148
Reply My perspective from all sides..., AsidMonk, 13-Jan-09 02:18 PM, #141
Reply imo, Quixotic, 13-Jan-09 10:20 PM, #142
     Reply Can't say I disagree, AsidMonk, 14-Jan-09 02:56 AM, #143
Reply Problems/ Great for Occasional Players?, Seilclavin, 13-Jan-09 11:20 AM, #140
Reply Sounds like a great change to me. ~, Elerosse, 12-Jan-09 11:56 AM, #133
Reply As someone who doesn't keep wand lists, DurNominator, 11-Jan-09 06:25 PM, #125
Reply I haven't found a sleek wand since the Second Age., Pendragon_Surtr, 10-Jan-09 05:33 PM, #114
Reply My Idea., Iza, 10-Jan-09 10:58 AM, #112
Reply RE: My Idea., Daevryn, 10-Jan-09 05:21 PM, #113
Reply Originally..., Iza, 11-Jan-09 02:25 PM, #119
     Reply It's a good idea, just one thing., Amberion, 11-Jan-09 05:25 PM, #121
          Reply Yeah..., Dervish, 11-Jan-09 05:41 PM, #122
          Reply Heh. I agree., Iza, 11-Jan-09 06:37 PM, #126
Reply So..., Linolaques, 11-Jan-09 06:05 PM, #124
     Reply RE: So..., Iza, 11-Jan-09 07:35 PM, #127
          Reply RE: So..., Linolaques, 12-Jan-09 11:36 AM, #132
Reply I don't like this change, elmeri_, 09-Jan-09 08:55 PM, #101
Reply Cosign, Dervish, 11-Jan-09 08:59 AM, #118
Reply I agree, this is really disheartening to me., jad, 12-Jan-09 10:25 AM, #129
     Reply Regarding level playing fields and CF, Grudan, 12-Jan-09 10:49 AM, #130
     Reply I don't think this is true..., Elerosse, 12-Jan-09 11:19 AM, #131
     Reply It is true in that, Rayihn, 12-Jan-09 01:20 PM, #134
          Reply Suggestion, Mekantos, 12-Jan-09 01:41 PM, #135
               Reply I don't see that happening, Rayihn, 12-Jan-09 03:16 PM, #136
                    Reply Er..., Mekantos, 12-Jan-09 03:38 PM, #137
                         Reply I like this idea.., Elerosse, 12-Jan-09 04:00 PM, #138
     Reply RE: I agree, this is really disheartening to me., incognito, 12-Jan-09 04:08 PM, #139
Reply I have solved the ABS problem: Master Plan, Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 07:30 PM, #93
Reply At some point the abs system did work like this., Kadsuane, 09-Jan-09 07:40 PM, #94
Reply Yep, and that's why B's system won't work. NT, TheLastMohican, 09-Jan-09 07:48 PM, #96
Reply Yeh I remember this..., Lightmage, 09-Jan-09 07:52 PM, #97
Reply Well, is that a problem?, Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 08:08 PM, #99
     Reply One problem, I don't need pimp gear at hero to compete ..., TheLastMohican, 10-Jan-09 08:26 PM, #116
          Reply RE: One problem, I don't need pimp gear at hero to comp..., Daevryn, 10-Jan-09 10:54 PM, #117
               Reply I think it must be this part:, Mekantos, 11-Jan-09 02:40 PM, #120
               Reply That was what I understood the point of this change to ..., Linolaques, 11-Jan-09 05:54 PM, #123
               Reply Heh., TheLastMohican, 12-Jan-09 04:40 AM, #128
Reply Game., Dallevian, 10-Jan-09 12:12 AM, #102
Reply Even more sick., Dallevian, 10-Jan-09 12:19 AM, #103
Reply They would also need to be locatable..., Tac, 10-Jan-09 12:33 AM, #104
Reply Thieves would rule over all mages, Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:01 AM, #105
Reply AND!, Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:11 AM, #108
     Reply As for thieves.., Adhelard, 10-Jan-09 05:38 PM, #115
Reply Very cool idea. nt, Drokk, 10-Jan-09 09:23 AM, #111
Reply RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands, Isildur, 09-Jan-09 03:22 PM, #78
Reply RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands, Daevryn, 09-Jan-09 03:39 PM, #79
     Reply But, but...!, Straklaw, 09-Jan-09 06:18 PM, #88
          Reply Well, Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:14 AM, #109
Reply My suggestion, incognito, 09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #71
Reply You know what i find funny?, Iza, 09-Jan-09 01:28 PM, #69
Reply RE: You know what i find funny?, Isildur, 09-Jan-09 03:06 PM, #75
Reply Revamping the Wand System, Zephon, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #63
Reply You guys cure symptoms, Dwoggurd, 08-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #56
Reply Exactly how this is going to play out txt, Larcat, 07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #42
Reply RE: Exactly how this is going to play out txt, Daevryn, 07-Jan-09 07:09 PM, #43
Reply RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands, The Heretic, 07-Jan-09 01:11 PM, #35
Reply They will, but, Rayihn, 07-Jan-09 01:13 PM, #36
     Reply Here's something I don't grasp, Mekantos, 07-Jan-09 03:37 PM, #37
          Reply RE: Here's something I don't grasp, Rayihn, 07-Jan-09 03:47 PM, #38
               Reply But the problem..., Java, 07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #39
               Reply If you really think it will last for a few years... txt, Larcat, 07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #40
               Reply Prove it!, Iza, 07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #41
               Reply Can I have some more purple crack please., Lightmage, 07-Jan-09 08:32 PM, #44
               Reply When you say ABS.., Adhelard, 07-Jan-09 09:35 PM, #46
               Reply I would say..., EXB, 08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #47
               Reply Clarification, Lightmage, 08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #48
               Reply RE: Clarification, Daevryn, 08-Jan-09 08:51 AM, #53
               Reply RE: Clarification, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 01:50 AM, #147
               Reply re: Battle Berserker Sword Spec v. shapeshifter, Quixotic, 08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #55
               Reply RE: Clarification, Adhelard, 08-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #57
                    Reply 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text), Lightmage, 08-Jan-09 10:04 PM, #58
                         Reply RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text), Daevryn, 08-Jan-09 10:35 PM, #59
                         Reply I hear you..., Lightmage, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #61
                         Reply There's a level 42 one that's in more than not. Surpri..., TheLastMohican, 09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #72
                         Reply Everytime I do this with mages I still die., TheLastMohican, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #62
                         Reply RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text), Mekantos, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #65
                              Reply RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text), Kadsuane, 09-Jan-09 11:17 AM, #68
                                   Reply You can thank..., Mekantos, 09-Jan-09 03:49 PM, #81
                                        Reply I never fought you without barrier, elmeri_, 09-Jan-09 08:29 PM, #100
                                             Reply Huh?, Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:03 AM, #106
                         Reply You're kidding?, Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #64
                              Reply Well..., Lightmage, 09-Jan-09 11:17 AM, #67
                                   Reply That's a problem to look at that way, Elerosse, 09-Jan-09 01:28 PM, #70
                                        Reply RE: That's a problem to look at that way, Isildur, 09-Jan-09 03:20 PM, #77
                                        Reply RE: That's a problem to look at that way, Elerosse, 09-Jan-09 05:09 PM, #86
                                        Reply RE: That's a problem to look at that way, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 02:10 AM, #149
                                             Reply I thought you could read.~, Elerosse, 21-Jan-09 08:50 AM, #152
               Reply RE: When you say ABS.., The Heretic, 08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #49
                    Reply RE: When you say ABS.., Daevryn, 08-Jan-09 08:39 AM, #52
                    Reply Assuming equal talent, you're wrong., TheLastMohican, 09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #73
               Reply I think you just got trolled by an imm~, Enbuergo1, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #60
               Reply RE: Can I have some more purple crack please., Isildur, 09-Jan-09 03:09 PM, #76
               Reply RE: Here's something I don't grasp, Grudan, 08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #54
               Reply Coveting Sleeks, Neltouda, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #66
               Reply Were either of you even around when sleeks were rare an..., Lhydia, 09-Jan-09 02:21 PM, #74
               Reply Sorry, but that's not right at all, Mekantos, 09-Jan-09 03:48 PM, #80
                    Reply RE: Sorry, but that's not right at all, Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 04:25 PM, #82
                    Reply But you are forgetting (ALSO: addressing another point), Mekantos, 09-Jan-09 04:42 PM, #83
                    Reply You don't think..., Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 06:54 PM, #91
                         Reply As a hero, Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:07 AM, #107
                    Reply And, Mekantos, 09-Jan-09 04:48 PM, #84
                    Reply RE: Sorry, but that's not right at all, Isildur, 09-Jan-09 05:04 PM, #85
                         Reply "upper echelons" and my Genius Plan, Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 06:48 PM #90
                         Reply But then Satebos grabs all five and no other mage sees ..., TheLastMohican, 09-Jan-09 07:46 PM, #95
                         Reply Thanks for the nod., Nivek1, 09-Jan-09 07:00 PM, #92
                              Reply It's the build you pick, elmeri_, 09-Jan-09 08:03 PM, #98
                              Reply Does anyone have a problem with..., Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:17 AM, #110
                    Reply Mage vs. Warriors, Straklaw, 09-Jan-09 06:16 PM, #87
                         Reply I've been thinking about that same thing.., Elerosse, 09-Jan-09 06:45 PM, #89
               Reply RE: Here's something I don't grasp, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 01:27 AM, #146
                    Reply Right on. (text), Lightmage, 21-Jan-09 06:48 PM, #153
                    Reply And the PK losses?, Adhelard, 21-Jan-09 08:14 PM, #154
                         Reply A few times. Maybe 2 or 3 times in last 6 years or so...., Lightmage, 21-Jan-09 08:39 PM, #156
                              Reply Clarification...(small text), Lightmage, 21-Jan-09 08:41 PM, #157
                    Reply RE: Here's something I don't grasp, Adhelard, 21-Jan-09 08:10 PM, #155
Reply Am I retarded, or did people miss these parts?, TheLastMohican, 07-Jan-09 12:51 AM, #31
Reply RE: Am I retarded, or did people miss these parts?, Rayihn, 07-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #33
     Reply Yeah, realized this a bit after I posted, heh. NT, TheLastMohican, 07-Jan-09 01:11 PM, #34
Reply My thoughts, Narissa, 06-Jan-09 09:52 PM, #30
Reply Well..., Iza, 05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #20
Reply RE: Well..., Daevryn, 05-Jan-09 10:03 PM, #26
Reply RE: Well..., Iza, 06-Jan-09 12:48 AM, #27
Reply RE: Well..., Klaak, 06-Jan-09 12:27 PM, #28
Reply What was the intended effect?, Larcat, 05-Jan-09 03:47 PM, #15
Reply RE: What was the intended effect?, Daevryn, 05-Jan-09 03:54 PM, #16
     Reply RE: What was the intended effect?, Kadsuane, 05-Jan-09 04:14 PM, #17
          Reply Exactly txt, Larcat, 05-Jan-09 04:49 PM, #18
          Reply Well..., Twist, 05-Jan-09 08:17 PM, #21
               Reply RE: Well..., Grudan, 05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #22
               Reply I hear ya..., Lightmage, 05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #23
               Reply RE: I hear ya..., svarog, 08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #50
                    Reply Sorry, I meant...., Lightmage, 08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #51
               Reply So does that make the game more fun?, Enbuergo1, 05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #25
               Reply RE: Well..., Xanthrailles, 06-Jan-09 09:52 PM, #29
                    Reply Did you reply to the right post?, Twist, 07-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #32
                         Reply RE: Did you reply to the right post?, Xanthrailles, 07-Jan-09 08:32 PM, #45
          Reply RE: What was the intended effect?, Daevryn, 05-Jan-09 06:32 PM, #19
Reply Thanks very much for this., GinGa, 05-Jan-09 03:04 PM, #14
Reply Detect Artifact?, Pendragon_Surtr, 05-Jan-09 12:56 PM, #9
Reply Try the helpfile..., Zulghinlour, 05-Jan-09 01:00 PM, #10
Reply Addition to the helpfile., Lightmage, 05-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #11
Reply Detect artifact change, Abernyte, 05-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #7
Reply RE: Detect artifact change, Grudan, 05-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #12
Reply Perhaps somewhat differently, incognito, 05-Jan-09 02:21 PM, #13
Reply Personally, I'm not interested in lowering detect artif..., Zulghinlour, 05-Jan-09 08:57 PM, #24
Reply Is it still txt, Larcat, 05-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #6
Reply RE: Is it still txt, Rayihn, 05-Jan-09 07:32 AM, #8
Reply Quick question., Lightmage, 05-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #2
Reply RE: Quick question., Zulghinlour, 05-Jan-09 12:38 AM, #3
     Reply RE: Quick question., Jhishesh, 05-Jan-09 01:17 AM, #4
          Reply RE: Quick question., Daevryn, 05-Jan-09 01:19 AM, #5
Reply This could be good, great or completely make me give up..., Kadsuane, 05-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #1
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