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Death_AngelWed 01-Apr-09 04:52 PM
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#78434, "(DELETED) [EMPIRE] Zulghinlour the Ebony Warlock, Dark Dream of Emperors"


          

Wed Apr 1 15:49:29 2009

At 3 o'clock PM, Day of Thunder, 24th of the Month of the Spring
on the Theran calendar Zulghinlour perished, never to return.

Race:fire
Class:anti-paladin
Level:60
Alignment:Evil
Ethos:Orderly
Cabal:EMPIRE, the Empire
Age:12706
Hours:24186

  

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Reply April Fools, a great day of the year, Zulghinlour, 01-Apr-10 04:54 PM, #48
Reply Say..., Valkenar, 02-Apr-10 11:37 AM, #49
     Reply I had a backup about 9 months old..., Zulghinlour, 03-Apr-10 07:25 PM, #50
Reply RE: (DELETED) [EMPIRE] Zulghinlour the Ebony Warlock, D..., Demtok (Guest), 06-Apr-09 05:48 PM, #47
Reply You obviously used a perma to get 350 charges nt, lurker, 02-Apr-09 01:53 PM, #37
Reply I hear he's been working with the same people for years..., Yhorian (Guest), 03-Apr-09 11:12 AM, #42
     Reply Btw, when you making your way down to Pittsburgh?, lurker, 03-Apr-09 12:47 PM, #43
          Reply I love Kanye., RobDarken_ (Guest), 03-Apr-09 04:33 PM, #45
          Reply Soon as I have a decent excuse to travel there., Yhorian (Guest), 03-Apr-09 11:36 PM, #46
Reply Heart attacks are not funny :( nt, WraithOfLight, 02-Apr-09 11:15 AM, #35
Reply Sad to see you go, Dwoggurd, 02-Apr-09 03:36 AM, #31
Reply jesus, man.. that blows (n/t), appelsien, 02-Apr-09 02:29 AM, #25
Reply Really sorry to see this!, Humbert (Guest), 02-Apr-09 02:06 AM, #23
Reply Good riddance., WarEagle2 (Guest), 01-Apr-09 10:12 PM, #16
Reply RE: (DELETED) [EMPIRE] Zulghinlour the Ebony Warlock, D..., Selfren (Guest), 01-Apr-09 09:07 PM, #13
Reply Well I've had a chance to cool off a bit, Zulghinlour, 01-Apr-09 07:59 PM, #6
Reply That's not right, Un-be-lievable (Guest), 01-Apr-09 08:24 PM, #7
Reply A sad day, Saemio, 01-Apr-09 08:33 PM, #8
Reply Figured this would happen eventually, Guy (Guest), 01-Apr-09 08:38 PM, #9
Reply And if this is a joke. Its really mean =P nt, Guy (Guest), 01-Apr-09 08:50 PM, #10
     Reply I concur :( (nt), Un-be-lievable (Guest), 01-Apr-09 08:51 PM, #11
Reply I guess I'm clueless..., Minyar1 (Guest), 01-Apr-09 09:04 PM, #12
Reply RE: Well I've had a chance to cool off a bit, Anon_ (Guest), 01-Apr-09 09:23 PM, #14
Reply You'll be much missed., NMTehW (Guest), 01-Apr-09 10:07 PM, #15
Reply It's sure be nice to hear from the other IMM's on this...., Dang... (Guest), 01-Apr-09 10:12 PM, #17
Reply What the **** ?!, Eze (Guest), 01-Apr-09 10:30 PM, #18
Reply If this isn't a joke, can you answer me this?, Mek (Guest), 01-Apr-09 11:51 PM, #19
Reply If you're ever in Pittsburgh, drinks are on me., TMNS (Guest), 02-Apr-09 01:02 AM, #20
Reply .... wow. =(, Aodh, 02-Apr-09 01:12 AM, #21
Reply This really sucks!, Zubi (Guest), 02-Apr-09 01:25 AM, #22
Reply This is simply unacceptable. I demand, in the name of ..., Cartherlen (Guest), 02-Apr-09 02:08 AM, #24
Reply The best lies have a bit of truth in them..., Zulghinlour, 02-Apr-09 02:49 AM, #26
     Reply That's so ####ed up. Really. ####ed. Up., Cartherlen (Guest), 02-Apr-09 02:55 AM, #28
     Reply Nice. That sound you hear:, Balrahd. (Guest), 02-Apr-09 02:59 AM, #29
     Reply Aahahahahaha, Zubi (Guest), 02-Apr-09 02:59 AM, #30
     Reply ####er =) n/t, Elhe (Guest), 02-Apr-09 06:20 AM, #32
     Reply I'm so happy you were lying I'm not even mad., TMNS (Guest), 02-Apr-09 08:09 AM, #33
     Reply Well played sir, well played indeed!, N b M (Guest), 02-Apr-09 09:50 AM, #34
     Reply Damn, that was one of the meanest April Fools jokes if ..., Rodriguez, 02-Apr-09 01:39 PM, #36
     Reply General rule of thumb. If its tragic or slapstick on A..., Lhydia, 02-Apr-09 03:46 PM, #39
     Reply Its a good thing this is a joke...., Tac, 02-Apr-09 02:18 PM, #38
     Reply "So ... Where did I put that pfile backup again?" nt, WraithOfLight, 02-Apr-09 04:38 PM, #40
     Reply Sick sense of humor, man..., jibber (Guest), 02-Apr-09 11:02 PM, #41
     Reply Adapting., Stunna, 03-Apr-09 01:19 PM, #44
Reply Sad to see you go! nt, Ikemasuka (Guest), 01-Apr-09 06:25 PM, #5
Reply Mad about your bracket picks? I am! nt, Forsakenz (Guest), 01-Apr-09 05:52 PM, #4
Reply Three years? Damn son. You da Man, Z. NT, TMNS (Guest), 01-Apr-09 05:44 PM, #3
Reply Take notes Twist. =P n/t, Lhydia, 01-Apr-09 05:30 PM, #2
Reply Yes Twist...take notes! Muahahahaha (n/t), Zulghinlour, 02-Apr-09 02:51 AM, #27
Reply I hope this is a really unfunny april fools joke., A2, 01-Apr-09 04:59 PM, #1

ZulghinlourThu 01-Apr-10 04:54 PM
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#91590, "April Fools, a great day of the year"
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I'm glad Twist turned on the double-XP, I meant to but was running late this morning and didn't get logged in until late this afternoon.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

  

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ValkenarFri 02-Apr-10 11:37 AM
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#91600, "Say..."
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What are your hours-played like these days? Did you take the last log you had of yourself and set your hours back to that or just figure that you're starting anew in the 5th age?

  

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ZulghinlourSat 03-Apr-10 07:25 PM
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#91622, "I had a backup about 9 months old..."
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Age : middle-aged, 13210 years old (25161 hours)

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

  

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Demtok (Guest)Mon 06-Apr-09 05:48 PM

  
#78604, "RE: (DELETED) [EMPIRE] Zulghinlour the Ebony Warlock, D..."
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That score is totally wrong.

>Race: fire
>Class: anti-paladin
>Level: 60
>Alignment: Evil
>>>>>>Ethos: Orderly<<<<<<<
>Cabal: EMPIRE, the Empire
>Age: 12706
>Hours: 24186

You totally just proved yourself to be chaotic. Now change this as soon as possible mister, you've been playing the character wrong all along...

Just kidding, you are the man? YES.

  

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lurkerThu 02-Apr-09 01:53 PM
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#78485, "You obviously used a perma to get 350 charges nt"
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Yhorian (Guest)Fri 03-Apr-09 11:12 AM

  
#78495, "I hear he's been working with the same people for years..."
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Have some pity for the man who's had to suffer Valg that long

  

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lurkerFri 03-Apr-09 12:47 PM
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#78496, "Btw, when you making your way down to Pittsburgh?"
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We just wanna be fwends. Plus Kanye is leaving for Afghanistan soon, so he'll be busy full looting/saccing over there.

  

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RobDarken_ (Guest)Fri 03-Apr-09 04:33 PM

  
#78501, "I love Kanye."
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I just couldn't stand talking to him after a point.

It was like:
GOD DAMN IT ROB I KNOW YOU THATS YOUR CHARACTER I KNOW YOU JUST FLED QUAFFED A TELEPORT HIDE HIDE AND CUT LINK FAGGOT

Except throw in some "yo yo dawg"'s and "wuts up mah homie" and other overused wigger phrases. Yeah...
*BLOCKED*

But then he redeems himself with his characters.

Idiots are more entertaining when observed from a distance.

  

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Yhorian (Guest)Fri 03-Apr-09 11:36 PM

  
#78508, "Soon as I have a decent excuse to travel there."
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I'm still flitting between britain and the US, I barely have time for surfing let alone holidaying (or even CF. Haven't done more than roll a lowbie thief in 6 months). But probably in the next few months, I'll see what takes me that way and give a shout if something does. Fingers crossed, I'll soon stop renting out enough of my life that I can actually live it myself.

  

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WraithOfLightThu 02-Apr-09 11:15 AM
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#78480, "Heart attacks are not funny :( nt"
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nt

  

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#78470, "Sad to see you go"
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.

  

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#78463, "jesus, man.. that blows (n/t)"
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nt

  

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Humbert (Guest)Thu 02-Apr-09 02:06 AM

  
#78461, "Really sorry to see this!"
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Zulgh has done so much and put in so much effort and time coding and helping the mud. We've all suffered a great loss, I hope CF stays afloat. Sad to see you go =(

  

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WarEagle2 (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 10:12 PM

  
#78452, "Good riddance."
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Obviously, kidding. But seriously, enjoy all the free-time you're going to get now. I'm sure a part of you enjoyed CF with all you did, but another part had to see this as a pain in the ass JOB.

Good luck with everything, big guy.

  

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Selfren (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 09:07 PM

  
#78448, "RE: (DELETED) [EMPIRE] Zulghinlour the Ebony Warlock, D..."
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Hmm,


This had better be a joke. You definitely didn't clear this with me first at any rate! If it is any consolation, know that I have enjoyed the many changes you have brought to this game. I have liked every class revamp you've done. Best of luck man..

-B

  

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ZulghinlourWed 01-Apr-09 07:59 PM
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#78441, "Well I've had a chance to cool off a bit"
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Though I do realize it is April Fool's day, this isn't a joke. I've been having more and more creative differences with the long term direction of the mud with the rest of the staff. I've finally decided that it's not worth sinking my time into something that I disagree so strongly about.

I hope the community can pull CF back from the brink that it currently teters on, but it will do so without me. I know that I will miss it dearly, and I'll probably still lurk around playing a mortal here or there, but the reality is I don't have as much time as I used to and I have many other higher priorities in my life now.

Goodbye and good luck!

- Peter

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

  

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Un-be-lievable (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 08:24 PM

  
#78442, "That's not right"
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Zulgh arguably contributed the most for the mud. If you have creative differences, I think the players should get some say on how the creative differences should be addressed and who, if any, should be leaving.

Sure it's happened in the past with some imms; but if this post is real and if Zulgh (who sounds like he's argued to the point where he has given up) is leaving based on such 'differences', I guess even I should be really analyzing what the hell is going up there in the Immlands.

I don't want this to be a flamefest. However, in the interest of public disclosure, I'll be the first to ask where this game is going, and to that effect, what differences Zulgh was so strongly opinionated about that caused this reaction.

  

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#78443, "A sad day"
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What you said about time and higher priorities hits close to home. Thank you so much for all the time and hard work you put into making this mud great. Best wishes in life, sir.

  

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Guy (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 08:38 PM

  
#78444, "Figured this would happen eventually"
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When I first saw this post I was like damn, thats a mean april fools joke.

But now I realise its no joke at all.
I can't deny you and I probably never had any hope of seeing eye to eye on things. If you ever bothered paying attention to what I said in the first place.

You were a driving force behind the mud. Often quiet, rare to interact. But constantly turning out new stuff and fixing old things.

You'll be sorely missed old chap. Regardless of what some might say, you are the base of this mud. And your passing onto better more real-life things will probably be the deathnell for this game.

But, I atleast hope life goes well for you Mr Coder and can only hope there are no sour feelings between us.

  

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Guy (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 08:50 PM

  
#78445, "And if this is a joke. Its really mean =P nt"
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d

  

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Un-be-lievable (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 08:51 PM

  
#78446, "I concur :( (nt)"
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nada text (in spanish)

  

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Minyar1 (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 09:04 PM

  
#78447, "I guess I'm clueless..."
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I'm wondering why so many folks are having trouble with the "creative differences" category. Would you mind spelling it out a bit more. I'm not asking that you totally go off like an Ordasen did, but just an idea. Those of us who "want to pull it back from the brink" need to understand more about where we are tottering, because we don't necessarily see it. Who is running this place if you arent? I never did get a follower of yours to be successful enough to you, which stinks, but most of them were successful, so that was fun.

I hope we can play some morts together.

  

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Anon_ (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 09:23 PM

  
#78449, "RE: Well I've had a chance to cool off a bit"
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I realize that the staff doesn't like to talk about this stuff with the playerbase, but I'm personally very curious about this, and I'm sure everyone else is as well. Considering how easily rumors spring up, I really think it would be in your (the imm's) best interest to discuss this. This isn't the first time an imm or heroimm has deleted citing dissatisfaction with some staff policies or other. Obviously it's your call, but at some point I think you have to question whether the secrecy thing is really working for you.

  

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NMTehW (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 10:07 PM

  
#78450, "You'll be much missed."
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For everything you've done for this MUD you have a legion of extremely grateful players. I can only hope that you'll be back soon in some form or another.

NMTW

  

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Dang... (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 10:12 PM

  
#78453, "It's sure be nice to hear from the other IMM's on this...."
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~

  

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Eze (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 10:30 PM

  
#78454, "What the **** ?!"
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If you aren't in charge in Imm-Land, who the #### is? And furthermore, what in the universe are they doing that has managed to drive off all the other Imps?

  

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Mek (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 11:51 PM

  
#78457, "If this isn't a joke, can you answer me this?"
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Q: What is the direction you want the mud to go in? I understand you can't or won't divulge its actual direction. I just want to know what you had envisioned, and if you are willing to elaborate, what has gone wrong.

  

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TMNS (Guest)Thu 02-Apr-09 01:02 AM

  
#78458, "If you're ever in Pittsburgh, drinks are on me."
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harddaysnight22@yahoo.com

You're still the man. Words can't do justice to the work you did.

Have fun with those microsoft goons, and be ready to pincer.

  

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AodhThu 02-Apr-09 01:12 AM
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#78459, ".... wow. =("
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thanks for all the work you did. Good luck with life, the universe, and everything.

  

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Zubi (Guest)Thu 02-Apr-09 01:25 AM

  
#78460, "This really sucks!"
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Guess I left CF just in the right time. Just can't believe that THE Zulg will be gone. That just lowers the chance of me ever returning again.

Well, good luck with things Zulg, you know we love you!

  

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Cartherlen (Guest)Thu 02-Apr-09 02:08 AM

  
#78462, "This is simply unacceptable. I demand, in the name of ..."
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the Empire that you reconsider your decision and revoke this heinous choice. Seriously, you have been epic in what you've given to this game. I don't know what differences you have with the staff, so it's hard to presume what fanfare could ever be spoken that might entice you to remain. Suffice to say that your contributions have long kept things on a keel that keep this gaming running. Please do not leave. Take a vacation. Go visit Nep and Valg and punch them in their noses. Seriously though, your contributions shaped this game into something amazing, and the implementation of your ideas has been nearly unparalleled.

I'm stroking your ego, but deservedly so. Please do not leave us, man. We need you here. Desperately. Carrionfields has arguably entered its twilight hours. Remain strong through them, and take leave when all is said and done. Your contributions will leave an indelible mark upon everyone and anyone who has grown within the mud, or played it over any meaningful duration.

Less time? Fine, step back from your role as the obligatory coder of all things "mortal want." Take a huge ####ing break and play chars that PK the hell out of the arrogant douchebags that pervade the ranges now. YOU, of all people, have the skill to make them kneel down and start suckling like yearlings in a drought.

We do not want you to go. None of us care how long a break you might wish to take. Those who play would suffer (unfortunately, not very silently, in most cases) in your absence. But I think I speak for everyone who has played this game for any substantial amount of time when I say that your leaving will be detrimental on a scale unheard of on this mud. Further, I also suspect almost every player that's been here for any relevant duration would agree that we'd prefer to see you hash things out and remain if even only in an advisory capacity.

Your input is too ####ing valuable to disappear on that level. The idea that you'll continue to play mortals is awesome. But the loss of your role as an immortal is devastating.

If you've lost so much control that your ideas no longer influence this game, what hope do the rest of us have (who have been here through the years) that anything or any changes will ever reflect game necessity again?

This really sucks. Please reconsider. Take some time off. And please, reconsider.

  

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ZulghinlourThu 02-Apr-09 02:49 AM
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#78464, "The best lies have a bit of truth in them..."
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Yes, the best lies have a bit of truth in them...

>Though I do realize it is April Fool's day, this isn't a
>joke.

Okay...so it is a joke. People cast it aside so quickly, I had to take it up another notch! Don't worry, I'm riding this god-forsaken-rented-mule into the ground. If anybody ends up pulling the plug on this alternate reality we immerse ourselves in, you're damn right it will be me.

>I've been having more and more creative differences
>with the long term direction of the mud with the rest of the
>staff. I've finally decided that it's not worth sinking my
>time into something that I disagree so strongly about.

This is a complaint we've seen from others on their way out, and quite believable when you get any group of people together to work on something collaboratively. The amusing part to me was when a few Immortals hit me up through various channels and were asking WHO, since they thought I pretty much did the majority of the creative stuff anyway.

>I hope the community can pull CF back from the brink that it
>currently teters on, but it will do so without me.

This I do believe (other than doing it without me). Adapt or die is the simple way to look at it and we haven't done a good job adapting.

>I know
>that I will miss it dearly, and I'll probably still lurk
>around playing a mortal here or there, but the reality is I
>don't have as much time as I used to and I have many other
>higher priorities in my life now.

This actually remains true, I do have higher priorities in my life these days, and that's why something as big as the shapeshifter revamp took a year and a half.

>Goodbye and good luck!

And just like that...I'm back!

>- Peter

Zulg!

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

  

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Cartherlen (Guest)Thu 02-Apr-09 02:55 AM

  
#78466, "That's so ####ed up. Really. ####ed. Up."
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Good to know you're still around


Unless this is the next notch of your morbid April Fools, and you're only returning to tell us you're not returning from the return of your leave.

You suck for that.

Still.

I think my comments hold true. Sadly, they were heartfelt and I feel like a sap for having proferred them in the face of your personal amusement. Asshole.

Kudos. I got got.

  

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Balrahd. (Guest)Thu 02-Apr-09 02:59 AM

  
#78467, "Nice. That sound you hear:"
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Is the collective exhale of CFers

And while I'm writing, thank you very much for the scaling bonus on experience gains.

  

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Zubi (Guest)Thu 02-Apr-09 02:59 AM

  
#78468, "Aahahahahaha"
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Well, even if I'm no longer playing. I'm real happy that it's just a joke. I just couldn't stand knowing that CF might be dying even faster. (Because it sure would if you left.)

Keep rocking!

  

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Elhe (Guest)Thu 02-Apr-09 06:20 AM

  
#78471, "####er =) n/t"
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n/t

  

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TMNS (Guest)Thu 02-Apr-09 08:09 AM

  
#78475, "I'm so happy you were lying I'm not even mad."
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You dirty pig hooker.

Maybe a lil bit.

  

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N b M (Guest)Thu 02-Apr-09 09:50 AM

  
#78479, "Well played sir, well played indeed!"
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I think you may have made some of the populace actually cry

But that just goes to show you how much you are actually appreciated around here..

Now you just need to start interacting with dark-elf assassins as your imm-character more!

Heh

  

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RodriguezThu 02-Apr-09 01:39 PM
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#78484, "Damn, that was one of the meanest April Fools jokes if ..."
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but very well executed, esp. the feint with Twist...

Bastards!
All of you!

  

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LhydiaThu 02-Apr-09 03:46 PM
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#78487, "General rule of thumb. If its tragic or slapstick on A..."
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TacThu 02-Apr-09 02:18 PM
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#78486, "Its a good thing this is a joke...."
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Because I was thinking the same thing as this:

">I've been having more and more creative differences
>with the long term direction of the mud with the rest of the
>staff. I've finally decided that it's not worth sinking my
>time into something that I disagree so strongly about.

This is a complaint we've seen from others on their way out, and quite believable when you get any group of people together to work on something collaboratively. The amusing part to me was when a few Immortals hit me up through various channels and were asking WHO, since they thought I pretty much did the majority of the creative stuff anyway."

And the only answer I could come up with was Daevryn, and as cool as Nep may be, I would have had to hunt down and injure him. Not really, but I should have avoided the entire internet yesterday as was my plan, but I read this and it was seriously depressing even if I couldn't quite bring myself to believe it.

You are the #### Zulg, but pull this kind of crap again and I'll make the most annoying Zulg follower ever in punishment! You have to gag my prays to retain sanity I tell you. Fear the empoweree!



Tac

  

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WraithOfLightThu 02-Apr-09 04:38 PM
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#78488, ""So ... Where did I put that pfile backup again?" nt"
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jibber (Guest)Thu 02-Apr-09 11:02 PM

  
#78491, "Sick sense of humor, man..."
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....really glad it was a joke though. You bastard. =)

  

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StunnaFri 03-Apr-09 01:19 PM
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#78498, "Adapting."
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First off, I'm really glad this was a joke. My rational brain was fast trying to figure out the ramifications of a Zhulg departure, and what it was giving me back was uglay.

I am curious to know what things, in your mind, changed that CF did not adapt adequately to?

  

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Ikemasuka (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 06:25 PM

  
#78440, "Sad to see you go! nt"
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Forsakenz (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 05:52 PM

  
#78439, "Mad about your bracket picks? I am! nt"
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TMNS (Guest)Wed 01-Apr-09 05:44 PM

  
#78438, "Three years? Damn son. You da Man, Z. NT"
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LhydiaWed 01-Apr-09 05:30 PM
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#78437, "Take notes Twist. =P n/t"
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ZulghinlourThu 02-Apr-09 02:51 AM
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#78465, "Yes Twist...take notes! Muahahahaha (n/t)"
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n/t

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

  

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A2Wed 01-Apr-09 04:59 PM
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#78435, "I hope this is a really unfunny april fools joke."
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If not, you were #### as zulgh both in ooc and cf persona.

  

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