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IsildurSun 30-Dec-12 11:54 AM
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#230, "RE: Giant rangers"


          

To piggyback on this request, I wouldn't mind seeing this set of changes to the ranger class:

1. Creep works 100% of the time (except in polar opposite terrain) for a ranger whose size is "giant or less". "Giant + 1" works like "giant" does now.

2. To keep creep nerfed for bigger rangers have it lag the ranger similar to what a non-ranger would experience walking through the same terrain. This makes sense; you have to move slower in order to keep yourself hidden.

3. Because this is a power-up for giant rangers (who can now creep more reliably) change how bearcharge works:

a. Cap the size bonus at "target's size + 1". As long as you're one size bigger than the target you get no additional bonus from making yourself even bigger.

b. Since the above would nerf much of the motivation to play a giant, add a strength component to bearcharge's effectiveness.

4. In general, narrow the effectiveness gap in w.r.t. bearcharge. Currently it seems to more or less suck when the ranger only has a +1 size advantage but is ridiculously good when he has a +2 size advantage or more. "Giant with +1 size advantage" should be made somewhat less effective than "giant with +2 size advantage" is right now, while "non-giant with +1 size advantage" should be somewhat improved.

5. Make the "strength bonus" on bearcharge such that especially weak (read: felar) rangers see no upgrade to their bearcharge in the "+1 size advantage" scenario.

Here's how I see this advantaging/disadvantaging the different kinds of rangers:

1. Giant w/o bearcharge: all upgrade; creep improved.
2. Giant w/ bearcharge: mixed; creep improved but bearcharge degraded.
3. Non-giant weak (e.g. felar): tiny upgrade; can creep more effectively while enlarged.
4. Non-giant strong (e.g. human) w/o bearcharge: tiny upgrade; can creep more effectively while enlarged.
5. Non-giant strong (e.g. human) w/ bearcharge: all upgrade; can creep more effectively while enlarged and bearcharge is slightly improved.

Ignoring the animists and archers, the choice right now for rangers is basically "am I willing to give up stealth in order to have bearcharge be a win button".

  

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TopicGiant rangers [View all] , Sertius (NOT Ranger), Sat 29-Dec-12 09:29 PM
Reply Santa Zulg added some debugging, but likely will result..., Zulghinlour, 30-Dec-12 01:29 PM, #3
Reply RE: Giant rangers, Daevryn, 29-Dec-12 10:19 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Giant rangers, Isildur, 30-Dec-12 01:27 PM #2
          Reply Please, no., blackbird, 04-Jan-13 11:29 PM, #4
          Reply Don't like this, -flso, 04-Jan-13 11:29 PM, #5
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