>This is the line that's been pitched since God-knows-when. You
>believe it, and the Imms Who Count believe it, so it probably
>won't change, but this is where I think it is wrong...
>
>What, exactly, is enormous about the drawbacks? If you use
>bloodthirst you will auto-attack mobs...but you can flee from
>those mobs and into your cabal, which has the best strategic
>location in the game. What is the drawback to deathblow? What
>is the drawback to resist? What is the drawback to spellbane?
>I only see gold stars, A-pluses, and two-thumbs up.
>


Mekantos, let's see how stupid you feel when you're summoned into the locked room in Galadon. Or throw in any locked room for that matter. Then come back here and tell me about 'drawbacks'.

The drawback to all these powers are that when you lose the head, you become junk. I can imagine a level 51 warrior without preps and a cabal and think about how owned he/she would be at his level. Then I recall that's EXACTLY what a head-less Rager is. Lot's of people have bested Ragers's I've made or played with simply because of ninja raiding. In Organia and being raided? Time to quaff the.. oh wait a sec. Guess you gotta walk. By the time you come back, your head is gone and the defense is setup. Drawback #2

I can list a billion but I don't want to spoonfeed the whiners. If you honestly can't figure out how to beat a rager, you aren't thinking hard enough. I think people just want to go up 1v1 against a Rager and win everytime. Life would be alot easier then, yeah?


>You also say the powers can be "prepared against". Well,
>deathblow is designed to ruin the effectiveness of preps, and
>does so quite well. How do you prepare against resist? How do
>you prepare against spellbane (short of bringing a gang)?
>

Haste with a staff. Not hard. Shadow classes can knock Ragers out and wait until their stuff runs out. Not hard.

>Now the "umbrella drawback" to the village is that you can't
>use magic. Duh. We all know that. Sure, it's pretty big. It
>was a lot bigger in the past, when mages had less drawbacks in
>regards to gathering preps, some stronger shapeshifter forms
> anyone remember falcons kicking everyone's asses?),
>transform, etc. Now Scions have something similar to
>'transform', but it's not as easy to use, and has a wide
>degree of variance. Villagers still have deathblow, resist,
>thirst, spellbane, trophy...why haven't they lost something as
>the game has become more challenging for everyone else?
>

Simple. The Rager cabal is stuck with a few limited classes. Where 1 rager might be able to beat 1 scion, 3 scion (invoker, healer, AP) could easily beat 3/4/5 ragers. That's the beauty of synergy.

>I mean, do I have to roll up a power-combo cloud berserker
>sword spec and log every crazy scenario where I rip through my
>entire range in one sitting before something will change?
>

Play against some competent invokers and you'll see whats up soon enough.

>One thing that I really want to know, but have little to no
>chance of really finding out, is if the group that has always
>viciously defended the integrity of Ragers in CF is just small
>and loud, or more broad-based. If it's the former, that's some
>form of minority tyranny, which is not, I remind you
>all, an oxymoron.
>

They are people who have played in the Village. I've noticed over my year of constantly defending the Village that anyone who has argued against it viciously also subsequently have never played a Rager in the past year. Not surprising, really.

>
>None of that can be said about this particular scion power.
>It's entirely without drawback and it is impossible to defend
>against by most of the people who are required to fight the
>cabal. Worse, it renders a success against all the scion
>actual players a loss.
>
>
>To comment on this, you should know that the thieving
>nightwalkers tend to fail quite a bit. As soon as they fail
>they become vulnerable, and visible. That's one way to fight
>them right there. The other way is to simply stay out of their
>way...which is the one real solution to getting around all of
>those nice rager powers . Sounds poetic to me.

Not in my experience. Even as a Duergar I had a problem with them stealing my crap. Now imagine playing a non-duergar, and having a out of range healer healing the mobs? Fun?

>
>
>If no one agrees here, well, just think of me as the crazy guy
>in the corner, like always

Just another dood who hasn't played a Rager (for whatever reason).