Elerosse | Wed 07-Jan-15 02:11 PM |
Member since 01st Nov 2006
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#57766, "RE: We will never agree apparently"
Edited on Wed 07-Jan-15 02:12 PM
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I think the issue here is what is meant by the word competitive.
I do not think anyone could argue that CF is not competitive as it stands but what I think the point that Eskelian's is trying to make is more to do is the game also fair. What I mean by fairness in this sense is what factors determine the outcome of a PVP situation.
In a game with near perfect fairness, player skill, should be the only thing (besides a little luck) that effects the outcome of a game, chess would be a good example of this.
I would argue CF is pretty fair, where player skill is the most important factor determining the outcome of a PVP encounter.
However, there are other important factors that can have an impact on the outcome. In CF, these would be skill %, gear differences, and prep usage (not necessarily exclusive), these are not related to a players skill but can (and do) impact the outcomes of any given PVP encounter.
Now, I would argue skill does trump these but the question is by how much? How much of an advantage is it possible to have assuming equal skill levels but widely different skill %, gear, or preps, etc.?
I can't answer that last question because it is difficult to get good data to look at, but you could run simulations in a test environment to at least as Eskelian suggests, look at the differences in DPS that having different skill % conveys.
Also, it does no good to look at individual performance (such as your own) and argue its proof that the game is fair (in the way I defined it) because we can't test the relative difference bewtween skill levels of your opponents easily. I would assume you are an above average player which likely accounts for your relative success even though you handicap yourself with low skills and less then optimal gear.
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Time for a town hall - let's talk game design
[View all] , Torak, Mon 05-Jan-15 10:56 PM
Overstating value,
laxman,
06-Jan-15 09:47 AM, #16
RE: Overstating value,
KaguMaru,
07-Jan-15 07:15 AM, #41
Not really,
laxman,
07-Jan-15 12:30 PM, #50
Addendum,
Artificial,
07-Jan-15 01:35 PM, #51
You can't use guys with 100 charges as the measuring st...,
KaguMaru,
07-Jan-15 04:02 PM, #55
Only bit I agree with,
incognito,
06-Jan-15 09:35 AM, #15
Disagree with all of this and agree with Valg. nt,
Polmier (Anonymous),
06-Jan-15 09:27 AM, #14
RE: Power Creep,
Valguarnera,
05-Jan-15 10:06 PM, #4
Serious question: Do you play CF? ,
TMNS,
05-Jan-15 10:12 PM, #5
Guessing that's a no. Explains a lot. ,
TMNS,
07-Jan-15 05:51 PM, #56
Do you play?,
Destuvius,
07-Jan-15 06:15 PM, #57
Nope. ,
TMNS,
07-Jan-15 07:32 PM, #58
For my own curiosity, as a guy who likes most (if not a...,
Destuvius,
07-Jan-15 07:35 PM, #59
Because I like you...(even though you were mean to me a...,
TMNS,
07-Jan-15 07:47 PM, #60
Its cool if you are in a cabal, or have help from time ...,
Gaplemo,
07-Jan-15 07:50 PM, #61
I always disliked the Red Lair one more...,
TMNS,
07-Jan-15 07:52 PM, #62
I love this solution. nt,
Artificial,
08-Jan-15 04:30 AM, #63
Just take out the impossible spots or make them drop a ...,
TMNS,
08-Jan-15 04:39 AM, #64
PS Imms should get a rant channel too :) NT,
TMNS,
08-Jan-15 04:40 AM, #65
I too am interested in the answer to this...,
Tac,
11-Jan-15 09:17 PM, #72
RE: Power Creep,
Tac,
05-Jan-15 10:28 PM, #6
Obs exp is not entirely solo,
incognito,
08-Jan-15 11:54 PM, #68
You've officially become Daevryn,
Torak,
05-Jan-15 10:49 PM, #8
And one more thing about gold,
Torak,
05-Jan-15 10:53 PM, #7
And as a result, you made things less fun.,
N b M,
05-Jan-15 11:10 PM, #9
Conversely,
incognito,
06-Jan-15 01:26 PM, #24
Why so harsh on Valguanera? I agree with him.,
Amora,
06-Jan-15 04:04 AM, #10
I agree with him, too. And your post as well. n/t,
Doof,
06-Jan-15 05:13 AM, #11
One note,
Torak,
06-Jan-15 05:53 AM, #12
RE: Gold and gambing,
Umiron,
06-Jan-15 10:08 AM, #18
Ditto,
incognito,
06-Jan-15 01:24 PM, #23
Some constructive feedback and suggestions, finer detai...,
KoeKhaos,
06-Jan-15 06:41 AM, #13
RE: Some constructive feedback and suggestions, finer d...,
Umiron,
06-Jan-15 10:47 AM, #19
Just one quick point...,
Eskelian,
06-Jan-15 12:55 PM, #21
RE: Just one quick point...,
Destuvius,
06-Jan-15 01:32 PM, #26
That isn't true.,
Eskelian,
06-Jan-15 01:44 PM, #27
RE: That isn't true.,
Destuvius,
06-Jan-15 02:10 PM, #29
RE: That isn't true.,
Eskelian,
07-Jan-15 10:52 AM, #43
RE: That isn't true.,
Destuvius,
07-Jan-15 11:03 AM, #44
RE: That isn't true.,
Eskelian,
07-Jan-15 11:10 AM, #46
RE: That isn't true.,
Destuvius,
07-Jan-15 11:21 AM, #47
RE: That isn't true.,
Eskelian,
07-Jan-15 11:26 AM, #48
RE: That isn't true.,
Eskelian,
07-Jan-15 11:39 AM, #49
We will never agree apparently,
Destuvius,
07-Jan-15 01:49 PM, #52
RE: We will never agree apparently,
Elerosse,
07-Jan-15 02:12 PM #53
Eskelian is more right than wrong,
-flso,
09-Jan-15 02:04 AM, #70
One difference...,
Eskelian,
09-Jan-15 01:10 PM, #71
It is true,
KaguMaru,
07-Jan-15 05:34 AM, #40
RE: It is true,
Eskelian,
07-Jan-15 11:06 AM, #45
I sometimes feel like I'm the only person who uses enla...,
KaguMaru,
07-Jan-15 03:53 PM, #54
I've had a lot of successful chars in regards of PKing....,
Amberion,
08-Jan-15 07:25 PM, #67
RE: Just one quick point...,
Umiron,
06-Jan-15 01:55 PM, #28
Don't do it because of complaints...,
Tac,
06-Jan-15 02:45 PM, #31
More like 80+ hours...,
KoeKhaos,
06-Jan-15 03:02 PM, #32
CF has become vastly more difficult since when I starte...,
Cenatar_,
06-Jan-15 08:59 PM, #35
RE: CF has become vastly more difficult since when I st...,
Umiron,
06-Jan-15 09:29 PM, #36
RE: CF has become vastly more difficult since when I st...,
Cenatar_,
06-Jan-15 10:06 PM, #37
Defenses,
KaguMaru,
07-Jan-15 05:31 AM, #39
Skill learn numbers,
KaguMaru,
07-Jan-15 05:28 AM, #38
A thought on skill learning.,
Tac,
07-Jan-15 10:10 AM, #42
generalized observation skill gain would be really cool...,
KoeKhaos,
08-Jan-15 07:42 AM, #66
I haven't complained about the system but,
incognito,
09-Jan-15 12:05 AM, #69
RE: Power Creep,
Eskelian,
06-Jan-15 12:46 PM, #20
Edge idea,
incognito,
06-Jan-15 01:31 PM, #25
Some points,
Humbert,
05-Jan-15 09:58 PM, #3
PKers just see CF as a different game ,
lasentia,
06-Jan-15 10:05 AM, #17
RE: PKers just see CF as a different game ,
Tac,
06-Jan-15 02:35 PM, #30
RE: PKers just see CF as a different game ,
lasentia,
06-Jan-15 03:37 PM, #34
Why bother?,
Tac,
05-Jan-15 09:06 PM, #1
+1. Kinda felt the same way. ,
TMNS,
05-Jan-15 09:20 PM, #2
This is the sad reality.,
Eskelian,
06-Jan-15 01:04 PM, #22
He bothers the same reason you even bother to reply... ...,
KoeKhaos,
06-Jan-15 03:04 PM, #33
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