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EskelianTue 06-Jan-15 12:55 PM
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#57692, "Just one quick point..."
Edited on Tue 06-Jan-15 12:55 PM

          

...While skill learning relative to what it cost you years ago may have gone down...compared to comparable games available it's still very high.

Most games have zero or minimal skill learning. This game one can expect to spend at least 40 hours spamming skills over the life of their character and more if they have low intelligence and the whole time they're at a non-trivial disadvantage to people who level sit with perfected skills.

That "meta" doesn't work in 2015 like it might have worked in 1998. I encourage you to worry less about historical standards for CF and consider the relative time investment compared with other popular current games.

The big thing about CF is that your characters *DIE PERMANENTLY*. I feel like your role and descriptions and actual interactions/leveling should be your largest time investments with skill spamming relatively small/trivial by comparison. This forces you to interact with other people and roleplay.

Every hour you're skill spamming by necessity you're doing nothing else and hiding from everyone else in the game.

Edited for emphasis on the last sentence.

  

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HOT TopicTime for a town hall - let's talk game design [View all] , Torak, Mon 05-Jan-15 10:56 PM
Reply Overstating value, laxman, 06-Jan-15 09:47 AM, #16
Reply RE: Overstating value, KaguMaru, 07-Jan-15 07:15 AM, #41
     Reply Not really, laxman, 07-Jan-15 12:30 PM, #50
          Reply Addendum, Artificial, 07-Jan-15 01:35 PM, #51
          Reply You can't use guys with 100 charges as the measuring st..., KaguMaru, 07-Jan-15 04:02 PM, #55
Reply Only bit I agree with, incognito, 06-Jan-15 09:35 AM, #15
Reply Disagree with all of this and agree with Valg. nt, Polmier (Anonymous), 06-Jan-15 09:27 AM, #14
Reply RE: Power Creep, Valguarnera, 05-Jan-15 10:06 PM, #4
Reply Serious question: Do you play CF? , TMNS, 05-Jan-15 10:12 PM, #5
Reply Guessing that's a no. Explains a lot. , TMNS, 07-Jan-15 05:51 PM, #56
Reply Do you play?, Destuvius, 07-Jan-15 06:15 PM, #57
     Reply Nope. , TMNS, 07-Jan-15 07:32 PM, #58
          Reply For my own curiosity, as a guy who likes most (if not a..., Destuvius, 07-Jan-15 07:35 PM, #59
               Reply Because I like you...(even though you were mean to me a..., TMNS, 07-Jan-15 07:47 PM, #60
               Reply Its cool if you are in a cabal, or have help from time ..., Gaplemo, 07-Jan-15 07:50 PM, #61
               Reply I always disliked the Red Lair one more..., TMNS, 07-Jan-15 07:52 PM, #62
               Reply I love this solution. nt, Artificial, 08-Jan-15 04:30 AM, #63
               Reply Just take out the impossible spots or make them drop a ..., TMNS, 08-Jan-15 04:39 AM, #64
               Reply PS Imms should get a rant channel too :) NT, TMNS, 08-Jan-15 04:40 AM, #65
Reply I too am interested in the answer to this..., Tac, 11-Jan-15 09:17 PM, #72
Reply RE: Power Creep, Tac, 05-Jan-15 10:28 PM, #6
Reply Obs exp is not entirely solo, incognito, 08-Jan-15 11:54 PM, #68
Reply You've officially become Daevryn, Torak, 05-Jan-15 10:49 PM, #8
Reply And one more thing about gold, Torak, 05-Jan-15 10:53 PM, #7
     Reply And as a result, you made things less fun., N b M, 05-Jan-15 11:10 PM, #9
     Reply Conversely, incognito, 06-Jan-15 01:26 PM, #24
Reply Why so harsh on Valguanera? I agree with him., Amora, 06-Jan-15 04:04 AM, #10
Reply I agree with him, too. And your post as well. n/t, Doof, 06-Jan-15 05:13 AM, #11
Reply One note, Torak, 06-Jan-15 05:53 AM, #12
Reply RE: Gold and gambing, Umiron, 06-Jan-15 10:08 AM, #18
Reply Ditto, incognito, 06-Jan-15 01:24 PM, #23
Reply Some constructive feedback and suggestions, finer detai..., KoeKhaos, 06-Jan-15 06:41 AM, #13
Reply RE: Some constructive feedback and suggestions, finer d..., Umiron, 06-Jan-15 10:47 AM, #19
     Reply Just one quick point..., Eskelian, 06-Jan-15 12:55 PM #21
     Reply RE: Just one quick point..., Destuvius, 06-Jan-15 01:32 PM, #26
     Reply That isn't true., Eskelian, 06-Jan-15 01:44 PM, #27
          Reply RE: That isn't true., Destuvius, 06-Jan-15 02:10 PM, #29
          Reply RE: That isn't true., Eskelian, 07-Jan-15 10:52 AM, #43
               Reply RE: That isn't true., Destuvius, 07-Jan-15 11:03 AM, #44
                    Reply RE: That isn't true., Eskelian, 07-Jan-15 11:10 AM, #46
                         Reply RE: That isn't true., Destuvius, 07-Jan-15 11:21 AM, #47
                              Reply RE: That isn't true., Eskelian, 07-Jan-15 11:26 AM, #48
                                   Reply RE: That isn't true., Eskelian, 07-Jan-15 11:39 AM, #49
                                        Reply We will never agree apparently, Destuvius, 07-Jan-15 01:49 PM, #52
                                             Reply RE: We will never agree apparently, Elerosse, 07-Jan-15 02:12 PM, #53
                                             Reply Eskelian is more right than wrong, -flso, 09-Jan-15 02:04 AM, #70
                                             Reply One difference..., Eskelian, 09-Jan-15 01:10 PM, #71
          Reply It is true, KaguMaru, 07-Jan-15 05:34 AM, #40
          Reply RE: It is true, Eskelian, 07-Jan-15 11:06 AM, #45
               Reply I sometimes feel like I'm the only person who uses enla..., KaguMaru, 07-Jan-15 03:53 PM, #54
          Reply I've had a lot of successful chars in regards of PKing...., Amberion, 08-Jan-15 07:25 PM, #67
     Reply RE: Just one quick point..., Umiron, 06-Jan-15 01:55 PM, #28
     Reply Don't do it because of complaints..., Tac, 06-Jan-15 02:45 PM, #31
     Reply More like 80+ hours..., KoeKhaos, 06-Jan-15 03:02 PM, #32
     Reply CF has become vastly more difficult since when I starte..., Cenatar_, 06-Jan-15 08:59 PM, #35
     Reply RE: CF has become vastly more difficult since when I st..., Umiron, 06-Jan-15 09:29 PM, #36
     Reply RE: CF has become vastly more difficult since when I st..., Cenatar_, 06-Jan-15 10:06 PM, #37
     Reply Defenses, KaguMaru, 07-Jan-15 05:31 AM, #39
     Reply Skill learn numbers, KaguMaru, 07-Jan-15 05:28 AM, #38
     Reply A thought on skill learning., Tac, 07-Jan-15 10:10 AM, #42
     Reply generalized observation skill gain would be really cool..., KoeKhaos, 08-Jan-15 07:42 AM, #66
     Reply I haven't complained about the system but, incognito, 09-Jan-15 12:05 AM, #69
Reply RE: Power Creep, Eskelian, 06-Jan-15 12:46 PM, #20
Reply Edge idea, incognito, 06-Jan-15 01:31 PM, #25
Reply Some points, Humbert, 05-Jan-15 09:58 PM, #3
Reply PKers just see CF as a different game , lasentia, 06-Jan-15 10:05 AM, #17
     Reply RE: PKers just see CF as a different game , Tac, 06-Jan-15 02:35 PM, #30
          Reply RE: PKers just see CF as a different game , lasentia, 06-Jan-15 03:37 PM, #34
Reply Why bother?, Tac, 05-Jan-15 09:06 PM, #1
     Reply +1. Kinda felt the same way. , TMNS, 05-Jan-15 09:20 PM, #2
     Reply This is the sad reality., Eskelian, 06-Jan-15 01:04 PM, #22
     Reply He bothers the same reason you even bother to reply... ..., KoeKhaos, 06-Jan-15 03:04 PM, #33
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