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CalionSat 21-Sep-13 12:42 PM
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#51675, "Evasion"


          

I'm perhaps slightly stretching the rules here, but IMO evasion is *very* close to a skill that I'd not practice as a hth spec, on paper I think I'd now only take it in the hopes of getting the counterpunch edge (with which I have no experience, though).

IIRC evasion is just a group feint (with maybe a higher chance of working than regular feint, but still redundant with it) and in practice situations where you'd actually want to use it are almost non-existant.

So here's a repost of an old idea to make evasion useful (from a past Santa Zulg: it didn't inspire him, though he misunderstood what I was going for). Basically make it similar to imperial defense (though there's an alternate/simpler suggestion at the end):

EVASION

syntax: evasion on/off

Hand-to-hand students may choose to focus on defensive techniques,
thus avoiding or deflecting blows aimed at them more efficiently.
However, while concentrating on keeping themselves out of their
opponent's reach they also have fewer chances for strikes of their
own. Feinting incoming attacks is also more effective while evading
blows.

See also: HAND TO HAND SPECIALIZATION, FEINT


- Effects of 'evasion on' (e.g. "You start focusing on defensive hand-to-hand techniques"):

1) improved chance of success for DODGE and PARRY/IRONHANDS skills
2) (large) penalties to THIRD and FOURTH ATTACK skills
3) improved chance of success on using the FEINT skill (which might also occasionally feint everyone targeting you)
4) wielding anything is equivalent to 'evasion off' (e.g. "You resume a less defensive fighting stance")

Additionally, COUNTERPUNCH edge would switch to trigger on FEINT.

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- An alternate idea is to include the COUNTERPUNCH edge in the skill by default:

EVASION

syntax: evasion

Careful use of terrain and open space allows the hand to hand student to
place themselves out of their opponent's reach. They will also take a free
swing at someone whose attack they negate using this skill.


- Although this would be superior to other similar 1 rnd damage skills (e.g. jab, serpentstrike) in that it also feints, I don't think that's unreasonable given that hth specs must forgo all weapon bonuses like +dam/+hit/vuln. exploitation etc.

  

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HOT TopicUnwanted Skills/Spells [View all] , Daevryn, Sun 15-Sep-13 07:59 PM
Reply Request/Suggestion to go with Spear/Staff spec discussi..., Arfan (Anonymous), 03-Oct-13 11:22 AM, #133
Reply Trapper sleep traps?, Anti-Hero, 23-Sep-13 10:14 AM, #130
Reply A couple that might not seem so obvious at first. Marin..., Frequentplayer, 22-Sep-13 04:17 PM, #127
Reply RE: A couple that might not seem so obvious at first. M..., Eskelian, 23-Sep-13 12:33 AM, #129
Reply Evasion, Calion, 21-Sep-13 12:42 PM #112
Reply I use feint all the time, Theerkla, 21-Sep-13 01:54 PM, #115
Reply RE: Evasion, Daevryn, 22-Sep-13 02:25 PM, #123
Reply No mention of headbutt?, Eskelian, 21-Sep-13 08:52 AM, #108
Reply I've always assumed this skill is better than it appear..., Tac, 21-Sep-13 11:17 AM, #110
Reply Think Lag for Warpriests, Druids, Healers, Shielded Inv..., Frequentplayer, 21-Sep-13 11:51 AM, #111
     Reply Are you seriously suggesting this to me? nt, Tac, 21-Sep-13 01:23 PM, #113
     Reply How about cliping this guys post? He said he didn't und..., Frequentplayer, 22-Sep-13 12:08 PM, #117
          Reply You call that berserk?, Tsunami, 22-Sep-13 01:29 PM, #119
          Reply I call it pointless., Frequentplayer, 22-Sep-13 02:02 PM, #120
               Reply So is your post., Tsunami, 22-Sep-13 02:07 PM, #121
                    Reply So is your post x 2 +1. n/t, Frequentplayer, 22-Sep-13 04:13 PM, #125
                         Reply Dang. My math says that is 3. That is more. n/t, Lhydia, 22-Sep-13 04:16 PM, #126
          Reply RE: How about cliping this guys post? He said he didn't..., Daevryn, 22-Sep-13 02:11 PM, #122
               Reply Who just wrote they couldn't think of a use for headbut..., Frequentplayer, 22-Sep-13 04:09 PM, #124
                    Reply RE: Who just wrote they couldn't think of a use for hea..., Eskelian, 23-Sep-13 12:30 AM, #128
     Reply I've gotten kills from headbutt, personally., Straklaw, 21-Sep-13 01:42 PM, #114
Reply suggested FIX for headbutt::, Sarien, 24-Sep-13 08:10 AM, #131
     Reply I don't disagree with you..., Tac, 24-Sep-13 09:06 AM, #132
Reply Plainsrunning nt, Tsunami, 20-Sep-13 11:41 AM, #104
Reply Ideas I have for it., Frequentplayer, 20-Sep-13 12:10 PM, #105
     Reply i have a better idea, Dallevian, 20-Sep-13 01:56 PM, #107
          Reply No. My ideas were better and I proved it., Frequentplayer, 22-Sep-13 12:09 PM, #118
Reply I'm not sure why someone would say beastmaster tame suc..., Frequentplayer, 19-Sep-13 01:23 PM, #99
Reply Exotics, Scrimbul, 18-Sep-13 02:18 PM, #90
Reply How about unwanted preps?, Moligant, 17-Sep-13 03:55 PM, #77
Reply Level based, Tsunami, 17-Sep-13 04:10 PM, #78
     Reply RE: Level based, Kalageadon, 18-Sep-13 06:09 AM, #84
Reply Would love to see a diff thread., Eskelian, 17-Sep-13 02:23 PM, #76
Reply Most partial shifts, Valkenar, 17-Sep-13 11:26 AM, #73
Reply Sort of retracting my posts., Valkenar, 17-Sep-13 11:30 AM, #74
Reply RE: Most partial shifts, Daevryn, 17-Sep-13 05:32 PM, #80
     Reply Somehow working in their benefits to a fully-shifted fo..., Mek, 17-Sep-13 06:33 PM, #82
     Reply RE: Somehow working in their benefits to a fully-shifte..., Daevryn, 17-Sep-13 06:58 PM, #83
     Reply RE: Most partial shifts, Valkenar, 18-Sep-13 06:07 PM, #92
          Reply You do?, Tsunami, 18-Sep-13 09:23 PM, #94
               Reply RE: You do?, Ekaerok (Anonymous), 19-Sep-13 09:00 AM, #97
               Reply I do, Valkenar, 19-Sep-13 01:18 PM, #98
                    Reply Aye, Tsunami, 19-Sep-13 03:53 PM, #102
                    Reply 11-15, KaguMaru, 19-Sep-13 05:16 PM, #103
Reply Esoteric armor use, Valkenar, 17-Sep-13 11:21 AM, #71
Reply RE: Esoteric armor use, Eskelian, 17-Sep-13 12:55 PM, #75
     Reply RE: Esoteric armor use, Daevryn, 17-Sep-13 05:34 PM, #81
          Reply Mystical armor use, Artificial, 19-Sep-13 12:14 AM, #96
Reply Random thought on detections, Torak, 16-Sep-13 03:47 PM, #45
Reply RE: Random thought on detections, Straklaw, 16-Sep-13 06:27 PM, #58
Reply Hm, maybe I'm underestimating them?, Valkenar, 18-Sep-13 05:53 PM, #91
     Reply I don't think it has any affect on AC, Tac, 18-Sep-13 07:11 PM, #93
          Reply Except gates., Tsunami, 18-Sep-13 09:26 PM, #95
          Reply RE: I don't think it has any affect on AC, Eskelian, 22-Sep-13 04:24 AM, #116
Reply A couple, Moligant, 16-Sep-13 03:03 PM, #44
Reply RE: A couple, Daevryn, 16-Sep-13 06:07 PM, #57
     Reply RE: A couple, Kalageadon, 18-Sep-13 09:12 AM, #88
Reply beastmaster tame, Dallevian, 16-Sep-13 09:28 AM, #28
Reply You can tame the snow leopard from frigid wasteland, DurNominator, 16-Sep-13 01:01 PM, #38
Reply Even that sucks at hero, KaguMaru, 16-Sep-13 01:11 PM, #39
Reply nah, it's nothing. nt, Dallevian, 16-Sep-13 01:40 PM, #41
Reply There are a couple mobs..., Tsunami, 16-Sep-13 02:55 PM, #43
Reply RE: beastmaster tame, Daevryn, 16-Sep-13 06:06 PM, #56
Reply Projection, Scrimbul, 16-Sep-13 08:57 AM, #24
Reply It is useful, Cenatar_, 16-Sep-13 11:12 AM, #30
Reply It takes you off the who list, KaguMaru, 16-Sep-13 12:17 PM, #33
Reply It is very useful imho, incognito, 16-Sep-13 12:27 PM, #34
Reply uhh?, CD, 16-Sep-13 12:29 PM, #35
Reply That doesn't work anymore, Drag0nSt0rm, 16-Sep-13 12:33 PM, #37
Reply You kinda show a lack of depth yourself., Frequentplayer, 19-Sep-13 01:26 PM, #100
Reply RE: Projection, Daevryn, 16-Sep-13 06:04 PM, #55
Reply Conjure WIll-o-wisp, Drag0nSt0rm, 16-Sep-13 06:49 AM, #21
Reply RE: Conjure WIll-o-wisp, Daevryn, 16-Sep-13 06:03 PM, #54
     Reply I always assumed the point was to use it on servitors, Tac, 16-Sep-13 08:04 PM, #61
     Reply I'll agree with this one, Scarabaeus, 16-Sep-13 09:24 PM, #65
          Reply Funny Will-O story, Tsunami, 16-Sep-13 09:49 PM, #66
Reply Antipaladin shield cleave, KaguMaru, 16-Sep-13 04:49 AM, #17
Reply As resident AP enthuisiast, Torak, 16-Sep-13 11:01 AM, #29
Reply Pierce/thrust/slice, Tsunami, 16-Sep-13 11:23 AM, #31
Reply There is more, incognito, 16-Sep-13 12:30 PM, #36
Reply RE: Antipaladin shield cleave, Vilhazarog, 16-Sep-13 01:26 PM, #40
Reply RE: Antipaladin shield cleave, KaguMaru, 17-Sep-13 12:18 AM, #67
     Reply Hit roll?, incognito, 17-Sep-13 06:56 AM, #68
     Reply Same experience as a ranger a few months ago, Calion, 17-Sep-13 07:20 AM, #69
          Reply RE: Same experience as a ranger a few months ago, Daevryn, 17-Sep-13 05:48 PM, #70
Reply RE: Antipaladin shield cleave, Daevryn, 16-Sep-13 06:02 PM, #53
     Reply AoD does some resist positive, right?, Tac, 16-Sep-13 08:07 PM, #64
Reply RE: Unwanted Skills/Spells, Lhydia, 16-Sep-13 04:40 AM, #16
Reply Partial shifts.., KaguMaru, 16-Sep-13 04:54 AM, #18
Reply RE: Unwanted Skills/Spells, Daevryn, 16-Sep-13 05:55 PM, #52
     Reply Hahaha. Oh. Still pretty useless then. =P n/t, Lhydia, 16-Sep-13 07:54 PM, #60
Reply Long list of EVERY skill I could think of., Straklaw, 15-Sep-13 11:52 PM, #12
Reply I'll chime in on the thief part, mkay?, Murphy, 16-Sep-13 01:43 AM, #15
Reply Thoughts , incognito, 16-Sep-13 06:58 AM, #22
Reply plainsrunning and bramblepit yes. AND, Dallevian, 16-Sep-13 09:27 AM, #26
Reply Armorers spell can be very useful indeed, incognito, 18-Sep-13 07:17 AM, #85
Reply Overhead, legsweep and misdirect., Zephon, 15-Sep-13 10:38 PM, #7
Reply RE: Overhead, legsweep and misdirect., Daevryn, 15-Sep-13 10:55 PM, #8
     Reply Ideas, Zephon, 15-Sep-13 11:21 PM, #10
     Reply RE: misdirect., Straklaw, 16-Sep-13 12:04 AM, #13
     Reply Overhead works underwater, Drag0nSt0rm, 16-Sep-13 07:01 AM, #23
     Reply Staff vs spear, vargal, 16-Sep-13 01:52 PM, #42
          Reply Staff is nice, incognito, 18-Sep-13 07:19 AM, #86
               Reply RE: Staff is nice, lasentia, 18-Sep-13 08:06 AM, #87
                    Reply The strengths of the niche aren't lost on me., vargal, 18-Sep-13 12:45 PM, #89
Reply Smear Mud, Perennial Ranger (Anonymous), 15-Sep-13 10:19 PM, #6
Reply RE: Smear Mud, Daevryn, 15-Sep-13 10:56 PM, #9
Reply So what you're saying is..., Tsunami, 15-Sep-13 11:29 PM, #11
Reply Smear mud has an echo when it works NT, Iklahn (Anonymous), 16-Sep-13 05:10 AM, #19
     Reply RE: Smear mud has an echo when it works NT, Daevryn, 16-Sep-13 05:49 PM, #51
Reply Smearmud on the wrists works well against kotegaeshi, Theerkla, 16-Sep-13 06:39 AM, #20
Reply Crescent, Tsunami, 15-Sep-13 09:31 PM, #3
Reply crescent AND leverage kick, Dallevian, 16-Sep-13 09:25 AM, #25
Reply Seconded on Crescent and Leverage Kick. (n/t), Ekaerok (Anonymous), 16-Sep-13 09:27 AM, #27
Reply Leverage kick, Tsunami, 16-Sep-13 11:25 AM, #32
Reply Agreed on leverage kick, Calion, 20-Sep-13 12:27 PM, #106
     Reply Small additional note, Calion, 21-Sep-13 09:18 AM, #109
Reply RE: Crescent, Daevryn, 16-Sep-13 05:47 PM, #50
     Reply Fair enough., Tsunami, 16-Sep-13 08:05 PM, #63
     Reply RE: Crescent, Ekaerok (Anonymous), 17-Sep-13 11:22 AM, #72
          Reply RE: Crescent, Daevryn, 17-Sep-13 05:27 PM, #79
Reply Whispering Wind and Siltscreen, Homard, 15-Sep-13 09:23 PM, #2
Reply +1 whispering wind, highbutterfly, 16-Sep-13 04:37 PM, #46
Reply RE: Whispering Wind and Siltscreen, Daevryn, 16-Sep-13 05:46 PM, #49
Reply I loved using WW, TMNS, 16-Sep-13 06:54 PM, #59
Reply Whispering wind can be used to communicate in the dream..., Frequentplayer, 19-Sep-13 01:42 PM, #101
Reply Panhandle and fence., Murphy, 15-Sep-13 08:55 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Panhandle and fence., Daevryn, 15-Sep-13 09:32 PM, #4
          Reply RE: Panhandle and fence., Tsunami, 15-Sep-13 09:36 PM, #5
          Reply Fence is awesome, Polmier (Anonymous), 16-Sep-13 05:22 PM, #47
               Reply Awesome, Tsunami, 16-Sep-13 08:04 PM, #62
          Reply Tribunal? Seriously?, Murphy, 16-Sep-13 01:08 AM, #14
               Reply RE: Tribunal? Seriously?, Daevryn, 16-Sep-13 05:44 PM, #48
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