Calion | Sat 21-Sep-13 12:42 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
367 posts
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#51675, "Evasion"
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I'm perhaps slightly stretching the rules here, but IMO evasion is *very* close to a skill that I'd not practice as a hth spec, on paper I think I'd now only take it in the hopes of getting the counterpunch edge (with which I have no experience, though).
IIRC evasion is just a group feint (with maybe a higher chance of working than regular feint, but still redundant with it) and in practice situations where you'd actually want to use it are almost non-existant.
So here's a repost of an old idea to make evasion useful (from a past Santa Zulg: it didn't inspire him, though he misunderstood what I was going for). Basically make it similar to imperial defense (though there's an alternate/simpler suggestion at the end):
EVASION
syntax: evasion on/off
Hand-to-hand students may choose to focus on defensive techniques, thus avoiding or deflecting blows aimed at them more efficiently. However, while concentrating on keeping themselves out of their opponent's reach they also have fewer chances for strikes of their own. Feinting incoming attacks is also more effective while evading blows.
See also: HAND TO HAND SPECIALIZATION, FEINT
- Effects of 'evasion on' (e.g. "You start focusing on defensive hand-to-hand techniques"):
1) improved chance of success for DODGE and PARRY/IRONHANDS skills 2) (large) penalties to THIRD and FOURTH ATTACK skills 3) improved chance of success on using the FEINT skill (which might also occasionally feint everyone targeting you) 4) wielding anything is equivalent to 'evasion off' (e.g. "You resume a less defensive fighting stance")
Additionally, COUNTERPUNCH edge would switch to trigger on FEINT.
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- An alternate idea is to include the COUNTERPUNCH edge in the skill by default:
EVASION
syntax: evasion
Careful use of terrain and open space allows the hand to hand student to place themselves out of their opponent's reach. They will also take a free swing at someone whose attack they negate using this skill.
- Although this would be superior to other similar 1 rnd damage skills (e.g. jab, serpentstrike) in that it also feints, I don't think that's unreasonable given that hth specs must forgo all weapon bonuses like +dam/+hit/vuln. exploitation etc.
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Unwanted Skills/Spells
[View all] , Daevryn, Sun 15-Sep-13 07:59 PM
Request/Suggestion to go with Spear/Staff spec discussi...,
Arfan (Anonymous),
03-Oct-13 11:22 AM, #133
Trapper sleep traps?,
Anti-Hero,
23-Sep-13 10:14 AM, #130
A couple that might not seem so obvious at first. Marin...,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 04:17 PM, #127
RE: A couple that might not seem so obvious at first. M...,
Eskelian,
23-Sep-13 12:33 AM, #129
Evasion,
Calion,
21-Sep-13 12:42 PM #112
I use feint all the time,
Theerkla,
21-Sep-13 01:54 PM, #115
RE: Evasion,
Daevryn,
22-Sep-13 02:25 PM, #123
No mention of headbutt?,
Eskelian,
21-Sep-13 08:52 AM, #108
I've always assumed this skill is better than it appear...,
Tac,
21-Sep-13 11:17 AM, #110
Think Lag for Warpriests, Druids, Healers, Shielded Inv...,
Frequentplayer,
21-Sep-13 11:51 AM, #111
Are you seriously suggesting this to me? nt,
Tac,
21-Sep-13 01:23 PM, #113
How about cliping this guys post? He said he didn't und...,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 12:08 PM, #117
You call that berserk?,
Tsunami,
22-Sep-13 01:29 PM, #119
I call it pointless.,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 02:02 PM, #120
So is your post.,
Tsunami,
22-Sep-13 02:07 PM, #121
So is your post x 2 +1. n/t,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 04:13 PM, #125
Dang. My math says that is 3. That is more. n/t,
Lhydia,
22-Sep-13 04:16 PM, #126
RE: How about cliping this guys post? He said he didn't...,
Daevryn,
22-Sep-13 02:11 PM, #122
Who just wrote they couldn't think of a use for headbut...,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 04:09 PM, #124
RE: Who just wrote they couldn't think of a use for hea...,
Eskelian,
23-Sep-13 12:30 AM, #128
I've gotten kills from headbutt, personally.,
Straklaw,
21-Sep-13 01:42 PM, #114
suggested FIX for headbutt::,
Sarien,
24-Sep-13 08:10 AM, #131
I don't disagree with you...,
Tac,
24-Sep-13 09:06 AM, #132
Plainsrunning nt,
Tsunami,
20-Sep-13 11:41 AM, #104
Ideas I have for it.,
Frequentplayer,
20-Sep-13 12:10 PM, #105
i have a better idea,
Dallevian,
20-Sep-13 01:56 PM, #107
No. My ideas were better and I proved it.,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 12:09 PM, #118
I'm not sure why someone would say beastmaster tame suc...,
Frequentplayer,
19-Sep-13 01:23 PM, #99
Exotics,
Scrimbul,
18-Sep-13 02:18 PM, #90
How about unwanted preps?,
Moligant,
17-Sep-13 03:55 PM, #77
Level based,
Tsunami,
17-Sep-13 04:10 PM, #78
RE: Level based,
Kalageadon,
18-Sep-13 06:09 AM, #84
Would love to see a diff thread.,
Eskelian,
17-Sep-13 02:23 PM, #76
Most partial shifts,
Valkenar,
17-Sep-13 11:26 AM, #73
Sort of retracting my posts.,
Valkenar,
17-Sep-13 11:30 AM, #74
RE: Most partial shifts,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:32 PM, #80
Somehow working in their benefits to a fully-shifted fo...,
Mek,
17-Sep-13 06:33 PM, #82
RE: Somehow working in their benefits to a fully-shifte...,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 06:58 PM, #83
RE: Most partial shifts,
Valkenar,
18-Sep-13 06:07 PM, #92
You do?,
Tsunami,
18-Sep-13 09:23 PM, #94
RE: You do?,
Ekaerok (Anonymous),
19-Sep-13 09:00 AM, #97
I do,
Valkenar,
19-Sep-13 01:18 PM, #98
Aye,
Tsunami,
19-Sep-13 03:53 PM, #102
11-15,
KaguMaru,
19-Sep-13 05:16 PM, #103
Esoteric armor use,
Valkenar,
17-Sep-13 11:21 AM, #71
RE: Esoteric armor use,
Eskelian,
17-Sep-13 12:55 PM, #75
RE: Esoteric armor use,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:34 PM, #81
Mystical armor use,
Artificial,
19-Sep-13 12:14 AM, #96
Random thought on detections,
Torak,
16-Sep-13 03:47 PM, #45
RE: Random thought on detections,
Straklaw,
16-Sep-13 06:27 PM, #58
Hm, maybe I'm underestimating them?,
Valkenar,
18-Sep-13 05:53 PM, #91
I don't think it has any affect on AC,
Tac,
18-Sep-13 07:11 PM, #93
Except gates.,
Tsunami,
18-Sep-13 09:26 PM, #95
RE: I don't think it has any affect on AC,
Eskelian,
22-Sep-13 04:24 AM, #116
A couple,
Moligant,
16-Sep-13 03:03 PM, #44
RE: A couple,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:07 PM, #57
RE: A couple,
Kalageadon,
18-Sep-13 09:12 AM, #88
beastmaster tame,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 09:28 AM, #28
You can tame the snow leopard from frigid wasteland,
DurNominator,
16-Sep-13 01:01 PM, #38
Even that sucks at hero,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 01:11 PM, #39
nah, it's nothing. nt,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 01:40 PM, #41
There are a couple mobs...,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 02:55 PM, #43
RE: beastmaster tame,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:06 PM, #56
Projection,
Scrimbul,
16-Sep-13 08:57 AM, #24
It is useful,
Cenatar_,
16-Sep-13 11:12 AM, #30
It takes you off the who list,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 12:17 PM, #33
It is very useful imho,
incognito,
16-Sep-13 12:27 PM, #34
uhh?,
CD,
16-Sep-13 12:29 PM, #35
That doesn't work anymore,
Drag0nSt0rm,
16-Sep-13 12:33 PM, #37
You kinda show a lack of depth yourself.,
Frequentplayer,
19-Sep-13 01:26 PM, #100
RE: Projection,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:04 PM, #55
Conjure WIll-o-wisp,
Drag0nSt0rm,
16-Sep-13 06:49 AM, #21
RE: Conjure WIll-o-wisp,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:03 PM, #54
I always assumed the point was to use it on servitors,
Tac,
16-Sep-13 08:04 PM, #61
I'll agree with this one,
Scarabaeus,
16-Sep-13 09:24 PM, #65
Funny Will-O story,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 09:49 PM, #66
Antipaladin shield cleave,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 04:49 AM, #17
As resident AP enthuisiast,
Torak,
16-Sep-13 11:01 AM, #29
Pierce/thrust/slice,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 11:23 AM, #31
There is more,
incognito,
16-Sep-13 12:30 PM, #36
RE: Antipaladin shield cleave,
Vilhazarog,
16-Sep-13 01:26 PM, #40
RE: Antipaladin shield cleave,
KaguMaru,
17-Sep-13 12:18 AM, #67
Hit roll?,
incognito,
17-Sep-13 06:56 AM, #68
Same experience as a ranger a few months ago,
Calion,
17-Sep-13 07:20 AM, #69
RE: Same experience as a ranger a few months ago,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:48 PM, #70
RE: Antipaladin shield cleave,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:02 PM, #53
AoD does some resist positive, right?,
Tac,
16-Sep-13 08:07 PM, #64
RE: Unwanted Skills/Spells,
Lhydia,
16-Sep-13 04:40 AM, #16
Partial shifts..,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 04:54 AM, #18
RE: Unwanted Skills/Spells,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:55 PM, #52
Hahaha. Oh. Still pretty useless then. =P n/t,
Lhydia,
16-Sep-13 07:54 PM, #60
Long list of EVERY skill I could think of.,
Straklaw,
15-Sep-13 11:52 PM, #12
I'll chime in on the thief part, mkay?,
Murphy,
16-Sep-13 01:43 AM, #15
Thoughts ,
incognito,
16-Sep-13 06:58 AM, #22
plainsrunning and bramblepit yes. AND,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 09:27 AM, #26
Armorers spell can be very useful indeed,
incognito,
18-Sep-13 07:17 AM, #85
Overhead, legsweep and misdirect.,
Zephon,
15-Sep-13 10:38 PM, #7
RE: Overhead, legsweep and misdirect.,
Daevryn,
15-Sep-13 10:55 PM, #8
Ideas,
Zephon,
15-Sep-13 11:21 PM, #10
RE: misdirect.,
Straklaw,
16-Sep-13 12:04 AM, #13
Overhead works underwater,
Drag0nSt0rm,
16-Sep-13 07:01 AM, #23
Staff vs spear,
vargal,
16-Sep-13 01:52 PM, #42
Staff is nice,
incognito,
18-Sep-13 07:19 AM, #86
RE: Staff is nice,
lasentia,
18-Sep-13 08:06 AM, #87
The strengths of the niche aren't lost on me.,
vargal,
18-Sep-13 12:45 PM, #89
Smear Mud,
Perennial Ranger (Anonymous),
15-Sep-13 10:19 PM, #6
RE: Smear Mud,
Daevryn,
15-Sep-13 10:56 PM, #9
So what you're saying is...,
Tsunami,
15-Sep-13 11:29 PM, #11
Smear mud has an echo when it works NT,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
16-Sep-13 05:10 AM, #19
RE: Smear mud has an echo when it works NT,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:49 PM, #51
Smearmud on the wrists works well against kotegaeshi,
Theerkla,
16-Sep-13 06:39 AM, #20
Crescent,
Tsunami,
15-Sep-13 09:31 PM, #3
crescent AND leverage kick,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 09:25 AM, #25
Seconded on Crescent and Leverage Kick. (n/t),
Ekaerok (Anonymous),
16-Sep-13 09:27 AM, #27
Leverage kick,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 11:25 AM, #32
Agreed on leverage kick,
Calion,
20-Sep-13 12:27 PM, #106
Small additional note,
Calion,
21-Sep-13 09:18 AM, #109
RE: Crescent,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:47 PM, #50
Fair enough.,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 08:05 PM, #63
RE: Crescent,
Ekaerok (Anonymous),
17-Sep-13 11:22 AM, #72
RE: Crescent,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:27 PM, #79
Whispering Wind and Siltscreen,
Homard,
15-Sep-13 09:23 PM, #2
+1 whispering wind,
highbutterfly,
16-Sep-13 04:37 PM, #46
RE: Whispering Wind and Siltscreen,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:46 PM, #49
I loved using WW,
TMNS,
16-Sep-13 06:54 PM, #59
Whispering wind can be used to communicate in the dream...,
Frequentplayer,
19-Sep-13 01:42 PM, #101
Panhandle and fence.,
Murphy,
15-Sep-13 08:55 PM, #1
RE: Panhandle and fence.,
Daevryn,
15-Sep-13 09:32 PM, #4
RE: Panhandle and fence.,
Tsunami,
15-Sep-13 09:36 PM, #5
Fence is awesome,
Polmier (Anonymous),
16-Sep-13 05:22 PM, #47
Awesome,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 08:04 PM, #62
Tribunal? Seriously?,
Murphy,
16-Sep-13 01:08 AM, #14
RE: Tribunal? Seriously?,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:44 PM, #48
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