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DaevrynWed 02-Nov-11 03:27 PM
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#41067, "RE: Sorry, meant mob/PC level."


          

>Heh, it's painfully obvious once you start dealing with
>fiendish ice devils that they're about six steps above even
>lesser ice devils. Those things are just wrong.

They only have an extra spell or two, IIRC. Without doing the math I don't think they're likely to be more than a level or two higher.

>I seemed to remember a comment that players won't see all of a
>familiar's abilities at level 17, implying maybe that you got
>some stuff at higher levels with familiars.

Again, assuming I remember what I was talking about, the main implication of that was that you might have a familiar with abilities that wouldn't be relevant until a higher level, not that you wouldn't see abilities on skill until later. For example, you get familiar at 17 and some familiars have abilities that modify conjuration spells (all of which have echoes when relevant) so if you have a familiar that helps you with elemental summoning, that isn't immediately apparent at 17 since conjure elemental is 3 levels later.

>My question was more, are there devil abilities that you (or
>the summoned devil) have to be a certain level to see? Like
>where bloodthirst does X, Y, & Z at hero, but only Z at level
>35.

Abilities on angels/archons/devils/demons are set by servitor "class", e.g. abishai/bearded/barbed/ice, not by their actual level. That being said, they cast their spells pretty much at their level just like a shaman or whatever would, so wrath from a level 40 angel is going to do more damage and last longer than a level 30 angel's, just as a level 40 paladin's wrath does more damage and lasts longer than a level 30 paladin's.

Servitor level is somewhat correlated with class, in that the large mana pump and a bit of luck that it takes to get a lesser archangel instead of a winged angel also "buys" extra levels for the angel, but theoretically there's no reason a level 35 conjurer can't have a devil which will Rot you -- it's just unlikely to have much in the way of killing power because of its relatively short duration and the tendency of people in a level 35 conjurer's range to not have a 6 CON.

>Or are fiendish ice devils as absolutely terrifying at 40 as
>they are at hero?

In terms of the spells they can cast, they are, but the hero's devil is likely to be a lot higher level.

For a number reasons which tend to compound on themselves, a lower level conjurer is much more likely to have a lower class servitor than a higher level conjurer. The Veil is a factor here, as well.

  

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HOT TopicRandom Comments of the Morning: [View all] , Daevryn, Wed 02-Nov-11 08:37 AM
Reply Daevryn said it, BaronMySoul (Anonymous), 03-Nov-11 08:02 AM, #49
Reply RE: Random Comments of the Morning:, Isildur, 02-Nov-11 05:52 PM, #35
Reply Aside:, Daevryn, 02-Nov-11 03:00 PM, #23
Reply Sorry., TMNS, 02-Nov-11 03:08 PM, #27
     Reply RE: Sorry., Daevryn, 02-Nov-11 03:16 PM, #28
Reply RE: Random Comments of the Morning:, Straklaw, 02-Nov-11 02:07 PM, #20
Reply RE: Random Comments of the Morning:, Daevryn, 02-Nov-11 02:26 PM, #21
Reply Sorry, meant mob/PC level., Straklaw, 02-Nov-11 03:03 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Sorry, meant mob/PC level., Daevryn, 02-Nov-11 03:27 PM #29
Reply I'm not one to cry wolf about overpowered things, _Magus_, 02-Nov-11 04:02 PM, #31
     Reply Play an evil conjurer., TMNS, 02-Nov-11 04:26 PM, #33
     Reply That's just an excuse though, _Magus_, 02-Nov-11 05:51 PM, #34
     Reply A recent example, MoetEtChandon, 02-Nov-11 07:42 PM, #41
          Reply Pretty sure morosa demons dont have damnation. nt, Artificial, 02-Nov-11 09:07 PM, #42
          Reply Might have been curse than., MoetEtChandon, 02-Nov-11 09:10 PM, #44
               Reply Don't curse neither. nt, Artificial, 02-Nov-11 09:12 PM, #45
          Reply Oh! While it's no longer 4 AM ..., MoetEtChandon, 03-Nov-11 12:40 PM, #53
     Reply Evil Conjie = RBW of mages., Straklaw, 02-Nov-11 06:42 PM, #39
     Reply No, that's not even close to the real drawback of evil ..., Vortex Magus, 05-Nov-11 12:36 AM, #59
          Reply RE: No, that's not even close to the real drawback of e..., Eskelian, 07-Nov-11 12:50 PM, #60
               Reply Depends on your familiar, incognito, 07-Nov-11 06:21 PM, #63
     Reply I'm with you here, AXera, 03-Nov-11 06:52 AM, #48
     Reply yeah conjies are interesting, laxman, 03-Nov-11 08:53 AM, #50
Reply Lies., Twist, 02-Nov-11 09:07 AM, #2
Reply RE: Lies., Eskelian, 02-Nov-11 09:26 AM, #3
Reply RE: Lies., Daevryn, 02-Nov-11 09:32 AM, #4
     Reply RE: Lies., Eskelian, 02-Nov-11 09:35 AM, #5
     Reply you got this backward, laxman, 02-Nov-11 09:44 AM, #6
     Reply Not backwards no., Eskelian, 02-Nov-11 09:47 AM, #7
     Reply Amen., TMNS, 02-Nov-11 01:10 PM, #11
     Reply Tangent, Daevryn, 02-Nov-11 01:12 PM, #12
          Reply Another Tangent., TMNS, 02-Nov-11 01:38 PM, #14
          Reply RE: Another Tangent., Malakhi, 02-Nov-11 01:24 PM, #15
          Reply I am posting here for the first time in a long time to ..., Graatch, 02-Nov-11 01:53 PM, #19
          Reply Literally LOL. People are starting to look at me..., TMNS, 02-Nov-11 02:43 PM, #22
          Reply Well played. (nt), Twist, 02-Nov-11 07:36 PM, #40
          Reply that log should be in the academy nt, Dallevian, 02-Nov-11 09:08 PM, #43
          Reply I dont even know what a unicorn pendant does or is nt, Tesline, 04-Nov-11 02:22 PM, #54
          Reply It's the previous version of the hummingbirds (n/t), Daevryn, 04-Nov-11 04:44 PM, #55
               Reply Why? nt, Tesline, 04-Nov-11 05:05 PM, #56
                    Reply RE: Why? nt, Daevryn, 04-Nov-11 07:44 PM, #58
                    Reply RE: Why? nt, Onewingedangel, 09-Nov-11 02:28 PM, #69
          Reply har!, The-me, 07-Nov-11 05:58 PM, #62
          Reply Unicorn love, Gaplemo, 03-Nov-11 10:58 AM, #52
          Reply I'm not surprised. When was your last level 51 goodie w..., Vortex Magus, 07-Nov-11 08:23 PM, #65
     Reply Unless you get a rager bard :), lasentia, 02-Nov-11 01:26 PM, #16
          Reply Yeah, rager bards are permalag meat :), TMNS, 02-Nov-11 01:37 PM, #17
     Reply RE: Lies., Daevryn, 02-Nov-11 09:54 AM, #8
     Reply Outlined it on the other boards., Eskelian, 02-Nov-11 09:58 AM, #9
     Reply Where is the like button? n/t, orangepowered, 02-Nov-11 01:47 PM, #18
     Reply What do you mean Gamechanging gear?, Tesline, 04-Nov-11 05:08 PM, #57
          Reply RE: What do you mean Gamechanging gear?, Eskelian, 07-Nov-11 01:16 PM, #61
               Reply I have heroed a few including..., Tesline, 09-Nov-11 07:01 AM, #66
                    Reply You can't include shifters in this equation (Even with ..., Alston, 09-Nov-11 10:34 AM, #67
                         Reply Im not saying naked thats stupid but, Tesline, 09-Nov-11 11:18 AM, #68
                              Reply Let's agree to disagree., Eskelian, 10-Nov-11 12:56 PM, #70
     Reply RE: Lies., N b M, 02-Nov-11 03:01 PM, #24
          Reply RE: Ragesteel, Straklaw, 02-Nov-11 03:07 PM, #26
          Reply RE: Lies., Daevryn, 02-Nov-11 03:30 PM, #30
               Reply RE: Lies., N b M, 02-Nov-11 06:36 PM, #38
     Reply RE: Lies., Malakhi, 02-Nov-11 01:15 PM, #13
          Reply RE: Lies., Eskelian, 02-Nov-11 06:20 PM, #37
               Reply RE: Lies., Malakhi, 02-Nov-11 09:17 PM, #46
                    Reply RE: Lies., Eskelian, 03-Nov-11 08:57 AM, #51
     Reply RE: Lies., Isildur, 02-Nov-11 06:00 PM, #36
     Reply Silent Tower changed that though, incognito, 07-Nov-11 06:33 PM, #64
Reply Noob!, Explosion, 02-Nov-11 10:13 AM, #10
Reply :P, Zephon, 02-Nov-11 04:17 PM, #32
Reply Twists half-preped characters, SideStrider, 03-Nov-11 02:23 AM, #47
Reply RE: Random Comments of the Morning:, Eskelian, 02-Nov-11 08:45 AM, #1
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