Marcus_ | Mon 19-Apr-10 04:09 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#31985, "Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better."
Edited on Mon 19-Apr-10 04:10 PM
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1) Balance mages vs. melee
there's a balancing problem at low/mid ranks since melee damage is basically a function of your eq, while mage damage is a function of the level. This means there will always be problems balancing the game since the power range of characters becomes very big. Easy fix for this:
Make eq work like weapons, so that if you are level 20 wearing a level 50 piece of eq, then all stats from that eq piece is modified by (MIN(char_level/eq_level), 1)..
So the formula for all eq stats would become ROUNDUP(eq_stat*MIN(char_level/eq_level, 1))
It would probably suck for my lowbie ragers from a powergaming POV, but it would also make things more fun if mages tried to fight back instead of teleport when a melee guy shows up on where.
It will also have a side effect of reducing the incentive to cheating eq to lowbie chars (good) and to full loot decked heros as a lowbie (i don't care about this.. but i know others do.. so good i suppose as it might reduce churn).
Side note: I used roundup because it's boring if eq starts giving no stats at all.
2) Mage power vs. Invisibility
At low level fights are usually over quicker than at hero. Especially if it is between a warrior and a mage since the mage has neither defenses nor damage reduction. And warriors do not do *that* much less damage. This means that mages will usually choose to go invisible rather than to fight.
Solution: Move all parry/dodge/shield block/shield spell to pre-10 levels. Move invisibility to level 25. (This change coupled with the above might actually make mages too strong.. I think one strong reason mages generally get their asses kicked at low/mid ranks is that they just try to avoid PK and power level. Which means ####ty gear, no preps, and low skill percentages. As well as often being caught unawares (since they teleport when they see an enemy otherwise).
3) Class specific adjustments:
Some classes have no or just one decent skill and crappy melee at the low ranks. This means no tactical diversity. Try to ensure that all classes have a decent number of options as soon as pk starts. Pre-form shapeshifters have nothing, and 1st tier form is usually sucky for its level. Invokers have only a couple of damage spells and no real tactics. Pre-familiar conjurers have only magic missile. With familiar they might be able to fight, but still not well enough.
4) Incentives:
4a) Take away level requirement for edges. Will give you an incentive to explore / PK / RP early.
4b) Challenges (a new thing): You can choose from a selection of challenges from your guildmaster that you can try to complete before hitting levels 10,20,30,40,51. If you complete the challenge before reaching that level, you get a couple of edge points. Challenges could be:
Challenge of perfection: Master 5 skills Challenge of blood: PK 5 different people Challenge of commerce: Trade goods to a value of 100 gold. Challenge of crime: Become wanted Challenge of exploration: Find 5 exploration points. Challenge of questiness: Complete 5 quests. Challenge of masochism: Die 3 times Challenge of glory: Defeat 3 different opponents in the arena etc...
You can choose the same challenge as many times as you want, but the threshold increases every time if you do.
4c) (Thought about this quite late, but I really like it) The first death you suffer at each level doesn't cost you any CON.
4d) (I really like this one too) You age slower (in years per RL hour) at lower ranks.
To explain 4c) and 4d): The most time efficient strategy for maximizing your hero rank power is to power level and then do explore/obs/commerce XP and PK for edge points. This aims to subsidize doing stuff at lower ranks.
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Random topic of discussion: Midlevels
[View all] , Daevryn, Tue 18-May-10 08:27 PM
Thread locked for sprawl. Please start sub-topics. (n/...,
Valguarnera,
20-May-10 05:37 AM, #177
Low level limited badassery items.,
Straklaw,
18-May-10 05:35 PM, #162
Just a thought:,
Marcus_,
17-May-10 12:43 PM, #154
RE: Just a thought:,
Daevryn,
17-May-10 02:09 PM, #163
I actually like Marcus' idea.,
sleepy,
17-May-10 02:42 PM, #155
Hello from Hollywood.,
Pro,
18-May-10 01:31 AM, #156
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Fjarn,
19-May-10 10:08 AM, #166
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-May-10 10:23 AM, #168
Definitely,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 10:35 AM, #169
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Isildur,
19-May-10 12:38 PM, #170
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 12:56 PM, #171
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Isildur,
19-May-10 01:25 PM, #172
Meh,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 03:03 PM, #173
RE: Meh,
Isildur,
19-May-10 03:09 PM, #174
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-May-10 03:11 PM, #175
RE: Just a thought:,
ORB,
18-May-10 08:37 AM, #157
As a total train whore,
Valkenar,
18-May-10 09:29 AM, #158
Cosign.,
Dervish,
18-May-10 11:13 AM, #160
RE: As a total train whore,
Isildur,
18-May-10 04:10 PM, #161
Con trains,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 08:00 AM, #165
RE: Just a thought:,
Hutto,
18-May-10 10:57 AM, #159
RE: Just a thought:,
Fjarn,
19-May-10 10:12 AM, #167
Maybe,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 08:34 PM, #176
Using Marcus' idea but,
Abernyte,
19-May-10 06:19 AM, #164
Now that this has cooked for a while,
Mekantos,
06-May-10 12:51 PM, #144
RE: Now that this has cooked for a while,
Daevryn,
06-May-10 12:53 PM, #145
FYI, this is up on Announcements now (n/t),
Daevryn,
12-May-10 02:27 PM, #153
An imm question related to this topic,
Habbs,
04-May-10 01:06 PM, #138
Mostly no:,
Daevryn,
04-May-10 01:26 PM, #139
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Straklaw,
26-Apr-10 04:00 AM, #136
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Tyrjal,
25-Apr-10 07:13 PM, #135
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Tsunami,
24-Apr-10 12:30 PM, #132
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Doge,
23-Apr-10 09:49 PM, #130
There used to be no xp cap.,
trewyn,
23-Apr-10 10:55 PM, #131
THE XP DYING PENALTY PLEASE,
dribbit,
24-Apr-10 08:49 PM, #133
If you can't find your way out of a strange area, quaff...,
DurNominator,
24-Apr-10 11:41 PM, #134
RE: There used to be no xp cap.,
Doge,
26-Apr-10 02:23 PM, #137
But the good thing about seeing -34% tnl,
Pendragon_Surtr,
06-May-10 03:19 AM, #141
For me, there is always a tickle in the back of my head...,
Habbs,
23-Apr-10 11:48 AM, #129
Adjust XP penalties, adjust ranking areas, adjust where,
Amortis,
22-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #125
re: expanded where,
Quixotic,
22-Apr-10 12:34 PM, #127
Spell Power Vs. Enhanced Damage,
Seilclavin,
20-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #115
RE: Gear-based Spell Idea,
Quixotic,
20-Apr-10 11:52 AM, #119
RE: Gear-based Spell Idea,
Daevryn,
20-Apr-10 12:23 PM, #120
You overlooked,
Quixotic,
20-Apr-10 12:35 PM, #121
RE: Gear-based Spell Idea,
The Heretic,
07-May-10 09:21 AM, #146
Best way to equalize mages and melee,
Doof,
21-Apr-10 11:55 AM, #124
RE: Best way to equalize mages and melee,
wjdenny,
05-May-10 02:16 PM, #140
I haven't read the rest of the posts, but I like mid le...,
Cointreau,
20-Apr-10 03:42 AM, #109
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Asthiss,
20-Apr-10 02:40 AM, #108
I disagree.,
Eskelian,
20-Apr-10 09:14 AM, #113
RE: I disagree.,
Asthiss,
21-Apr-10 02:18 AM, #123
RE: My Experience,
Tac,
19-Apr-10 07:50 PM, #102
Actually I do have one suggestion....,
Tac,
19-Apr-10 08:00 PM, #103
I like these suggestions a lot.,
ibuki,
20-Apr-10 05:11 AM, #111
Another random thought.... re: scrolls,
Tac,
20-Apr-10 02:56 PM, #122
My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:,
Valguarnera,
19-Apr-10 06:58 PM, #99
Good post.,
Zephon,
19-Apr-10 09:22 PM, #105
I pretty much agree with all of this,
Drag0nSt0rm,
19-Apr-10 10:51 PM, #106
Shout-out to the IMM staff within.,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 11:03 PM, #107
These are great observations. nt,
GinGa,
20-Apr-10 03:47 AM, #110
RE: My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:,
Cerunnir,
20-Apr-10 08:11 AM, #112
Not to me,
trewyn,
20-Apr-10 09:13 AM, #114
RE: Not to me,
Daevryn,
20-Apr-10 09:55 AM, #116
She did on Dio's.,
Dervish,
20-Apr-10 10:41 AM, #118
RE: Not to me,
Cerunnir,
20-Apr-10 10:22 AM, #117
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
GrahamC,
19-Apr-10 05:50 PM, #93
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 06:16 PM, #96
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Isildur,
19-Apr-10 05:37 PM, #91
do it once do it twice,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 06:12 PM, #95
Its the luck factor...,
Elerosse,
19-Apr-10 06:29 PM, #97
Perception is a killer,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 04:41 PM, #84
Holy crap Mulshine, I totally agree with you for once!,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 04:43 PM, #85
RE: Perception is a killer,
Eskelian,
19-Apr-10 05:34 PM, #90
Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better.,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 04:10 PM #76
RE: Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better.,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:13 PM, #77
RE: Equipment,
vargal,
19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #79
I disagree on mage/melee,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #80
I agree with this.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 04:54 PM, #86
RE: I disagree on mage/melee,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 05:09 PM, #88
again when did you see one try,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 06:07 PM, #94
RE: again when did you see one try,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 06:33 PM, #98
A batch of thoughts,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 03:54 PM, #70
Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions,
Vortex Magus,
19-Apr-10 03:41 PM, #69
RE: Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:08 PM, #74
Damage scaling, Con gains, and skills,
Valkenar,
19-Apr-10 02:15 PM, #55
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Eskelian,
19-Apr-10 01:01 PM, #37
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:09 PM, #42
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:13 PM, #43
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:19 PM, #47
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:33 PM, #50
Bards certainly are weak,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 02:26 PM, #60
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 01:23 PM, #48
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:28 PM, #49
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 01:42 PM, #52
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:12 PM, #58
Here we go,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 01:46 PM, #53
RE: Here we go,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #56
Thoughts + ideas.,
Cerunnir,
19-Apr-10 03:04 PM, #59
Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 02:31 PM, #61
RE: Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #63
I cant resist to quote you,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 03:01 PM, #65
RE: I cant resist to quote you,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 03:21 PM, #67
Tell their names at least? nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 04:18 PM, #78
RE: Tell their names at least? nt,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #82
I beat down people with my four path invoker...,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #83
Well,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 04:59 PM, #87
RE: Well,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 07:10 PM, #100
RE: Here we go,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #62
RE: Here we go,
Cerunnir,
19-Apr-10 03:16 PM, #66
RE: Here we go,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 03:56 PM, #72
RE: Here we go,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 05:12 PM, #89
Urden, Jahfenar, Ilrahsek, Ikanu.,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 05:39 PM, #92
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Eskelian,
19-Apr-10 02:17 PM, #54
Things that would make me stay in the mid levels,
Drag0nSt0rm,
19-Apr-10 12:55 PM, #35
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Beroxxus,
19-Apr-10 12:54 PM, #34
Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
trewyn,
19-Apr-10 12:48 PM, #31
Cosign on first and last suggestions nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 12:51 PM, #33
I agree with all of these ideas. 110% nt,
Drag0nSt0rm,
19-Apr-10 12:57 PM, #36
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:05 PM, #40
Explore early and move is never a problem.,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 01:14 PM, #44
Except,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 01:40 PM, #51
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 01:15 PM, #45
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
GrahamC,
19-Apr-10 02:55 PM, #64
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 03:24 PM, #68
<== is king of that.,
trewyn,
19-Apr-10 07:32 PM, #101
Ragers do get ####ed. But that's part of being a rager...,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 09:07 PM, #104
RE: movement regen,
Zulghinlour,
19-Apr-10 03:59 PM, #73
RE: movement regen,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:09 PM, #75
RE: movement regen,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #81
RE: movement regen,
Isildur,
14-May-10 11:29 AM, #151
RE: movement regen,
Hutto,
13-May-10 05:00 PM, #147
RE: movement regen,
Isildur,
14-May-10 11:19 AM, #150
This isn't a possitive but...,
Pro,
19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #22
I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the game i...,
Pro,
19-Apr-10 12:01 PM, #23
RE: I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the ga...,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:17 PM, #46
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #21
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:31 PM, #29
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:06 PM, #41
Damn your logic.,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #57
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Gryshilniar,
06-May-10 12:09 PM, #142
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
06-May-10 12:50 PM, #143
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
A2,
13-May-10 11:45 PM, #148
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
14-May-10 09:00 AM, #149
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
A2,
14-May-10 11:33 AM, #152
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
TJHuron,
19-Apr-10 11:49 AM, #20
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:28 PM, #27
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
TJHuron,
19-Apr-10 01:03 PM, #39
Ideas,
Quixotic,
19-Apr-10 11:18 AM, #12
RE: Ideas,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 11:28 AM, #16
RE: Heralds,
Quixotic,
19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #25
RE: Heralds,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 12:49 PM, #32
RE: Heralds,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 03:53 PM, #71
RE: Ideas,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 11:31 AM, #17
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 11:08 AM, #10
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 11:42 AM, #13
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
22-Apr-10 10:10 AM, #126
Con Loss.,
Pro,
22-Apr-10 01:57 PM, #128
Off the cuff.,
Dallevian,
19-Apr-10 10:55 AM, #8
Last thing would be great to help newbies nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 11:27 AM, #15
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
ORB,
19-Apr-10 10:48 AM, #7
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 10:56 AM, #9
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 11:16 AM, #11
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 11:26 AM, #14
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 11:37 AM, #18
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #24
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:00 PM, #38
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 11:43 AM, #19
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:26 PM, #26
Yes, I agree with you. I just pointed out two cases I e...,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 12:29 PM, #28
Fair enough n/t,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:33 PM, #30
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 10:30 AM, #3
Nothing.,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 10:30 AM, #2
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
34-inside,
19-Apr-10 10:20 AM, #1
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 10:34 AM, #4
Dunno, I never had big problems finding a group,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 10:38 AM, #5
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
34-inside,
19-Apr-10 10:39 AM, #6
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