AsidMonk | Tue 13-Jan-09 02:18 PM |
Member since 21st Dec 2008
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#23374, "My perspective from all sides..."
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As a mage without ABS, once you hit the hero range unless EVERYTHING GOES COMPLETELY RIGHT I feel like I don't have much of a chance against a melee class. I'll say 20% or less for sure. To me, this is the inherent problem with mage classes, but perhaps it was meant for CF to be this way.
So I guess let's look at it from the perspective of the melee classes. I feel like at hero when there's a mage his entire set (aura, barrier, AND shield) that I have basically NO chance of killing him and I have to run. My chance of beating him are less than 10%.
Now... I guess if you've taken the time to gather your entire set then you have the right to be SUPER MAGE because you've put your work in. Unfortunately this sucks for people who have already gone through the tedium of finding these wands in the first place, and now they have to learn to "re-enjoy" the game by exploring and killing and find them AGAIN. That just ####ing sucks... end of discussion. Nobody wants to be FORCED to enjoy something they already liked.
On the other hand... the NON super mage is going to get his ass handed to him. Point blank period. He might find a aura or sleek and be able to go from HAVING NO CHANCE to MAYBE HAVING A CHANCE but it still tips below 50% until he can find an aura AND a sleek. I don't think it's fair that you put the survivability of a classon their ability to find wands.
Now... here's where I #### myself... -Aura and/or Shield should be enough to go toe to toe with most, and since these locations are fairly easy to find this change is fine.
-Finding aura/shield is no different than a melee class finding a decent weapon or piece of armor to able to deal damage, so it balances out here.
-Now the SUPER MAGE with the barrier location has probably earned it, not only through exploring but being able to kill the mob that has it. This sucks for melee classes, but it just has to be accepted because most mage situations can be prepared for through preps (stone skin, protection, resist elements, mental, etc), or even getting ANOTHER mage to hook you up (quickning, shields, etc) unlesss of you're a rager, in which case the mage probably NEEDED all three, aura barrier AND shield, to hang with you anyway.
So basically what you have, in my opinion, is a fairly balanced system. Some people will be stronger than others, and some people will be complete beasts, but isn't that how it's always been?
Really the only problem I see with the system is the fact vet players have to relearn #### they've already invested days, weeks, months, and YEARS learning, only to have it thrown away at an immortals whim. That kind of sucks... but for the rest of the game it pretty much evens everything out. As much as I wanted to bitch and moan about it when I first saw what the changes were, after looking at it, I have to commend the imms. It's not a perfect system but it's getting better, at least the way I see it. -I'd rather be the sheath to a sword than the bullets to a gun-
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Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands
[View all] , Daevryn, Sun 04-Jan-09 10:58 PM
After reading ~60% of this thread...,
Splntrd,
27-Jan-09 03:22 PM, #159
What we need is a newbie IMM. Which, coincedentally, i...,
TheLastMohican,
27-Jan-09 04:20 PM, #160
Though optimistic this system officially makes me wish ...,
EXB,
28-Jan-09 04:21 AM, #161
Why?,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 01:19 AM, #145
One very good reason:,
Mekantos,
21-Jan-09 02:13 AM, #150
RE: One very good reason:,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 02:19 AM, #151
RE: Why?,
Gabe,
26-Jan-09 11:58 PM, #158
RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands,
Pendragon_Surtr,
17-Jan-09 08:20 AM, #144
RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 01:55 AM, #148
My perspective from all sides...,
AsidMonk,
13-Jan-09 02:18 PM #141
imo,
Quixotic,
13-Jan-09 10:20 PM, #142
Can't say I disagree,
AsidMonk,
14-Jan-09 02:56 AM, #143
Problems/ Great for Occasional Players?,
Seilclavin,
13-Jan-09 11:20 AM, #140
Sounds like a great change to me. ~,
Elerosse,
12-Jan-09 11:56 AM, #133
As someone who doesn't keep wand lists,
DurNominator,
11-Jan-09 06:25 PM, #125
I haven't found a sleek wand since the Second Age.,
Pendragon_Surtr,
10-Jan-09 05:33 PM, #114
My Idea.,
Iza,
10-Jan-09 10:58 AM, #112
RE: My Idea.,
Daevryn,
10-Jan-09 05:21 PM, #113
Originally...,
Iza,
11-Jan-09 02:25 PM, #119
It's a good idea, just one thing.,
Amberion,
11-Jan-09 05:25 PM, #121
Yeah...,
Dervish,
11-Jan-09 05:41 PM, #122
Heh. I agree.,
Iza,
11-Jan-09 06:37 PM, #126
So...,
Linolaques,
11-Jan-09 06:05 PM, #124
RE: So...,
Iza,
11-Jan-09 07:35 PM, #127
RE: So...,
Linolaques,
12-Jan-09 11:36 AM, #132
I don't like this change,
elmeri_,
09-Jan-09 08:55 PM, #101
Cosign,
Dervish,
11-Jan-09 08:59 AM, #118
I agree, this is really disheartening to me.,
jad,
12-Jan-09 10:25 AM, #129
Regarding level playing fields and CF,
Grudan,
12-Jan-09 10:49 AM, #130
I don't think this is true...,
Elerosse,
12-Jan-09 11:19 AM, #131
It is true in that,
Rayihn,
12-Jan-09 01:20 PM, #134
Suggestion,
Mekantos,
12-Jan-09 01:41 PM, #135
I don't see that happening,
Rayihn,
12-Jan-09 03:16 PM, #136
Er...,
Mekantos,
12-Jan-09 03:38 PM, #137
I like this idea..,
Elerosse,
12-Jan-09 04:00 PM, #138
RE: I agree, this is really disheartening to me.,
incognito,
12-Jan-09 04:08 PM, #139
I have solved the ABS problem: Master Plan,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 07:30 PM, #93
At some point the abs system did work like this.,
Kadsuane,
09-Jan-09 07:40 PM, #94
Yep, and that's why B's system won't work. NT,
TheLastMohican,
09-Jan-09 07:48 PM, #96
Yeh I remember this...,
Lightmage,
09-Jan-09 07:52 PM, #97
Well, is that a problem?,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 08:08 PM, #99
One problem, I don't need pimp gear at hero to compete ...,
TheLastMohican,
10-Jan-09 08:26 PM, #116
RE: One problem, I don't need pimp gear at hero to comp...,
Daevryn,
10-Jan-09 10:54 PM, #117
I think it must be this part:,
Mekantos,
11-Jan-09 02:40 PM, #120
That was what I understood the point of this change to ...,
Linolaques,
11-Jan-09 05:54 PM, #123
Heh.,
TheLastMohican,
12-Jan-09 04:40 AM, #128
Game.,
Dallevian,
10-Jan-09 12:12 AM, #102
Even more sick.,
Dallevian,
10-Jan-09 12:19 AM, #103
They would also need to be locatable...,
Tac,
10-Jan-09 12:33 AM, #104
Thieves would rule over all mages,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:01 AM, #105
AND!,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:11 AM, #108
As for thieves..,
Adhelard,
10-Jan-09 05:38 PM, #115
Very cool idea. nt,
Drokk,
10-Jan-09 09:23 AM, #111
RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands,
Isildur,
09-Jan-09 03:22 PM, #78
RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands,
Daevryn,
09-Jan-09 03:39 PM, #79
But, but...!,
Straklaw,
09-Jan-09 06:18 PM, #88
Well,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:14 AM, #109
My suggestion,
incognito,
09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #71
You know what i find funny?,
Iza,
09-Jan-09 01:28 PM, #69
RE: You know what i find funny?,
Isildur,
09-Jan-09 03:06 PM, #75
Revamping the Wand System,
Zephon,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #63
You guys cure symptoms,
Dwoggurd,
08-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #56
Exactly how this is going to play out txt,
Larcat,
07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #42
RE: Exactly how this is going to play out txt,
Daevryn,
07-Jan-09 07:09 PM, #43
RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands,
The Heretic,
07-Jan-09 01:11 PM, #35
They will, but,
Rayihn,
07-Jan-09 01:13 PM, #36
Here's something I don't grasp,
Mekantos,
07-Jan-09 03:37 PM, #37
RE: Here's something I don't grasp,
Rayihn,
07-Jan-09 03:47 PM, #38
But the problem...,
Java,
07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #39
If you really think it will last for a few years... txt,
Larcat,
07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #40
Prove it!,
Iza,
07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #41
Can I have some more purple crack please.,
Lightmage,
07-Jan-09 08:32 PM, #44
When you say ABS..,
Adhelard,
07-Jan-09 09:35 PM, #46
I would say...,
EXB,
08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #47
Clarification,
Lightmage,
08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #48
RE: Clarification,
Daevryn,
08-Jan-09 08:51 AM, #53
RE: Clarification,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 01:50 AM, #147
re: Battle Berserker Sword Spec v. shapeshifter,
Quixotic,
08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #55
RE: Clarification,
Adhelard,
08-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #57
75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text),
Lightmage,
08-Jan-09 10:04 PM, #58
RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text),
Daevryn,
08-Jan-09 10:35 PM, #59
I hear you...,
Lightmage,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #61
There's a level 42 one that's in more than not. Surpri...,
TheLastMohican,
09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #72
Everytime I do this with mages I still die.,
TheLastMohican,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #62
RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text),
Mekantos,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #65
RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text),
Kadsuane,
09-Jan-09 11:17 AM, #68
You can thank...,
Mekantos,
09-Jan-09 03:49 PM, #81
I never fought you without barrier,
elmeri_,
09-Jan-09 08:29 PM, #100
Huh?,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:03 AM, #106
You're kidding?,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #64
Well...,
Lightmage,
09-Jan-09 11:17 AM, #67
That's a problem to look at that way,
Elerosse,
09-Jan-09 01:28 PM, #70
RE: That's a problem to look at that way,
Isildur,
09-Jan-09 03:20 PM, #77
RE: That's a problem to look at that way,
Elerosse,
09-Jan-09 05:09 PM, #86
RE: That's a problem to look at that way,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 02:10 AM, #149
I thought you could read.~,
Elerosse,
21-Jan-09 08:50 AM, #152
RE: When you say ABS..,
The Heretic,
08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #49
RE: When you say ABS..,
Daevryn,
08-Jan-09 08:39 AM, #52
Assuming equal talent, you're wrong.,
TheLastMohican,
09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #73
I think you just got trolled by an imm~,
Enbuergo1,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #60
RE: Can I have some more purple crack please.,
Isildur,
09-Jan-09 03:09 PM, #76
RE: Here's something I don't grasp,
Grudan,
08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #54
Coveting Sleeks,
Neltouda,
09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #66
Were either of you even around when sleeks were rare an...,
Lhydia,
09-Jan-09 02:21 PM, #74
Sorry, but that's not right at all,
Mekantos,
09-Jan-09 03:48 PM, #80
RE: Sorry, but that's not right at all,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 04:25 PM, #82
But you are forgetting (ALSO: addressing another point),
Mekantos,
09-Jan-09 04:42 PM, #83
You don't think...,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 06:54 PM, #91
As a hero,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:07 AM, #107
And,
Mekantos,
09-Jan-09 04:48 PM, #84
RE: Sorry, but that's not right at all,
Isildur,
09-Jan-09 05:04 PM, #85
"upper echelons" and my Genius Plan,
Adhelard,
09-Jan-09 06:48 PM, #90
But then Satebos grabs all five and no other mage sees ...,
TheLastMohican,
09-Jan-09 07:46 PM, #95
Thanks for the nod.,
Nivek1,
09-Jan-09 07:00 PM, #92
It's the build you pick,
elmeri_,
09-Jan-09 08:03 PM, #98
Does anyone have a problem with...,
Mekantos,
10-Jan-09 01:17 AM, #110
Mage vs. Warriors,
Straklaw,
09-Jan-09 06:16 PM, #87
I've been thinking about that same thing..,
Elerosse,
09-Jan-09 06:45 PM, #89
RE: Here's something I don't grasp,
Eskelian,
21-Jan-09 01:27 AM, #146
Right on. (text),
Lightmage,
21-Jan-09 06:48 PM, #153
And the PK losses?,
Adhelard,
21-Jan-09 08:14 PM, #154
A few times. Maybe 2 or 3 times in last 6 years or so....,
Lightmage,
21-Jan-09 08:39 PM, #156
Clarification...(small text),
Lightmage,
21-Jan-09 08:41 PM, #157
RE: Here's something I don't grasp,
Adhelard,
21-Jan-09 08:10 PM, #155
Am I retarded, or did people miss these parts?,
TheLastMohican,
07-Jan-09 12:51 AM, #31
RE: Am I retarded, or did people miss these parts?,
Rayihn,
07-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #33
Yeah, realized this a bit after I posted, heh. NT,
TheLastMohican,
07-Jan-09 01:11 PM, #34
My thoughts,
Narissa,
06-Jan-09 09:52 PM, #30
Well...,
Iza,
05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #20
RE: Well...,
Daevryn,
05-Jan-09 10:03 PM, #26
RE: Well...,
Iza,
06-Jan-09 12:48 AM, #27
RE: Well...,
Klaak,
06-Jan-09 12:27 PM, #28
What was the intended effect?,
Larcat,
05-Jan-09 03:47 PM, #15
RE: What was the intended effect?,
Daevryn,
05-Jan-09 03:54 PM, #16
RE: What was the intended effect?,
Kadsuane,
05-Jan-09 04:14 PM, #17
Exactly txt,
Larcat,
05-Jan-09 04:49 PM, #18
Well...,
Twist,
05-Jan-09 08:17 PM, #21
RE: Well...,
Grudan,
05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #22
I hear ya...,
Lightmage,
05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #23
RE: I hear ya...,
svarog,
08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #50
Sorry, I meant....,
Lightmage,
08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #51
So does that make the game more fun?,
Enbuergo1,
05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #25
RE: Well...,
Xanthrailles,
06-Jan-09 09:52 PM, #29
Did you reply to the right post?,
Twist,
07-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #32
RE: Did you reply to the right post?,
Xanthrailles,
07-Jan-09 08:32 PM, #45
RE: What was the intended effect?,
Daevryn,
05-Jan-09 06:32 PM, #19
Thanks very much for this.,
GinGa,
05-Jan-09 03:04 PM, #14
Detect Artifact?,
Pendragon_Surtr,
05-Jan-09 12:56 PM, #9
Try the helpfile...,
Zulghinlour,
05-Jan-09 01:00 PM, #10
Addition to the helpfile.,
Lightmage,
05-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #11
Detect artifact change,
Abernyte,
05-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #7
RE: Detect artifact change,
Grudan,
05-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #12
Perhaps somewhat differently,
incognito,
05-Jan-09 02:21 PM, #13
Personally, I'm not interested in lowering detect artif...,
Zulghinlour,
05-Jan-09 08:57 PM, #24
Is it still txt,
Larcat,
05-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #6
RE: Is it still txt,
Rayihn,
05-Jan-09 07:32 AM, #8
Quick question.,
Lightmage,
05-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #2
RE: Quick question.,
Zulghinlour,
05-Jan-09 12:38 AM, #3
RE: Quick question.,
Jhishesh,
05-Jan-09 01:17 AM, #4
RE: Quick question.,
Daevryn,
05-Jan-09 01:19 AM, #5
This could be good, great or completely make me give up...,
Kadsuane,
05-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #1
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