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AsidMonkTue 13-Jan-09 02:18 PM
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#23374, "My perspective from all sides..."


  

          

As a mage without ABS, once you hit the hero range unless EVERYTHING GOES COMPLETELY RIGHT I feel like I don't have much of a chance against a melee class. I'll say 20% or less for sure. To me, this is the inherent problem with mage classes, but perhaps it was meant for CF to be this way.

So I guess let's look at it from the perspective of the melee classes. I feel like at hero when there's a mage his entire set (aura, barrier, AND shield) that I have basically NO chance of killing him and I have to run. My chance of beating him are less than 10%.

Now... I guess if you've taken the time to gather your entire set then you have the right to be SUPER MAGE because you've put your work in. Unfortunately this sucks for people who have already gone through the tedium of finding these wands in the first place, and now they have to learn to "re-enjoy" the game by exploring and killing and find them AGAIN. That just ####ing sucks... end of discussion. Nobody wants to be FORCED to enjoy something they already liked.

On the other hand... the NON super mage is going to get his ass handed to him. Point blank period. He might find a aura or sleek and be able to go from HAVING NO CHANCE to MAYBE HAVING A CHANCE but it still tips below 50% until he can find an aura AND a sleek. I don't think it's fair that you put the survivability of a classon their ability to find wands.

Now... here's where I #### myself...
-Aura and/or Shield should be enough to go toe to toe with most, and since these locations are fairly easy to find this change is fine.

-Finding aura/shield is no different than a melee class finding a decent weapon or piece of armor to able to deal damage, so it balances out here.

-Now the SUPER MAGE with the barrier location has probably earned it, not only through exploring but being able to kill the mob that has it. This sucks for melee classes, but it just has to be accepted because most mage situations can be prepared for through preps (stone skin, protection, resist elements, mental, etc), or even getting ANOTHER mage to hook you up (quickning, shields, etc) unlesss of you're a rager, in which case the mage probably NEEDED all three, aura barrier AND shield, to hang with you anyway.

So basically what you have, in my opinion, is a fairly balanced system. Some people will be stronger than others, and some people will be complete beasts, but isn't that how it's always been?

Really the only problem I see with the system is the fact vet players have to relearn #### they've already invested days, weeks, months, and YEARS learning, only to have it thrown away at an immortals whim. That kind of sucks... but for the rest of the game it pretty much evens everything out. As much as I wanted to bitch and moan about it when I first saw what the changes were, after looking at it, I have to commend the imms. It's not a perfect system but it's getting better, at least the way I see it.

-I'd rather be the sheath to a sword than the bullets to a gun-

  

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HOT Locked TopicSleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands [View all] , Daevryn, Sun 04-Jan-09 10:58 PM
Reply After reading ~60% of this thread..., Splntrd, 27-Jan-09 03:22 PM, #159
Reply What we need is a newbie IMM. Which, coincedentally, i..., TheLastMohican, 27-Jan-09 04:20 PM, #160
     Reply Though optimistic this system officially makes me wish ..., EXB, 28-Jan-09 04:21 AM, #161
Reply Why?, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 01:19 AM, #145
Reply One very good reason:, Mekantos, 21-Jan-09 02:13 AM, #150
Reply RE: One very good reason:, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 02:19 AM, #151
Reply RE: Why?, Gabe, 26-Jan-09 11:58 PM, #158
Reply RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands, Pendragon_Surtr, 17-Jan-09 08:20 AM, #144
Reply RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 01:55 AM, #148
Reply My perspective from all sides..., AsidMonk, 13-Jan-09 02:18 PM #141
Reply imo, Quixotic, 13-Jan-09 10:20 PM, #142
     Reply Can't say I disagree, AsidMonk, 14-Jan-09 02:56 AM, #143
Reply Problems/ Great for Occasional Players?, Seilclavin, 13-Jan-09 11:20 AM, #140
Reply Sounds like a great change to me. ~, Elerosse, 12-Jan-09 11:56 AM, #133
Reply As someone who doesn't keep wand lists, DurNominator, 11-Jan-09 06:25 PM, #125
Reply I haven't found a sleek wand since the Second Age., Pendragon_Surtr, 10-Jan-09 05:33 PM, #114
Reply My Idea., Iza, 10-Jan-09 10:58 AM, #112
Reply RE: My Idea., Daevryn, 10-Jan-09 05:21 PM, #113
Reply Originally..., Iza, 11-Jan-09 02:25 PM, #119
     Reply It's a good idea, just one thing., Amberion, 11-Jan-09 05:25 PM, #121
          Reply Yeah..., Dervish, 11-Jan-09 05:41 PM, #122
          Reply Heh. I agree., Iza, 11-Jan-09 06:37 PM, #126
Reply So..., Linolaques, 11-Jan-09 06:05 PM, #124
     Reply RE: So..., Iza, 11-Jan-09 07:35 PM, #127
          Reply RE: So..., Linolaques, 12-Jan-09 11:36 AM, #132
Reply I don't like this change, elmeri_, 09-Jan-09 08:55 PM, #101
Reply Cosign, Dervish, 11-Jan-09 08:59 AM, #118
Reply I agree, this is really disheartening to me., jad, 12-Jan-09 10:25 AM, #129
     Reply Regarding level playing fields and CF, Grudan, 12-Jan-09 10:49 AM, #130
     Reply I don't think this is true..., Elerosse, 12-Jan-09 11:19 AM, #131
     Reply It is true in that, Rayihn, 12-Jan-09 01:20 PM, #134
          Reply Suggestion, Mekantos, 12-Jan-09 01:41 PM, #135
               Reply I don't see that happening, Rayihn, 12-Jan-09 03:16 PM, #136
                    Reply Er..., Mekantos, 12-Jan-09 03:38 PM, #137
                         Reply I like this idea.., Elerosse, 12-Jan-09 04:00 PM, #138
     Reply RE: I agree, this is really disheartening to me., incognito, 12-Jan-09 04:08 PM, #139
Reply I have solved the ABS problem: Master Plan, Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 07:30 PM, #93
Reply At some point the abs system did work like this., Kadsuane, 09-Jan-09 07:40 PM, #94
Reply Yep, and that's why B's system won't work. NT, TheLastMohican, 09-Jan-09 07:48 PM, #96
Reply Yeh I remember this..., Lightmage, 09-Jan-09 07:52 PM, #97
Reply Well, is that a problem?, Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 08:08 PM, #99
     Reply One problem, I don't need pimp gear at hero to compete ..., TheLastMohican, 10-Jan-09 08:26 PM, #116
          Reply RE: One problem, I don't need pimp gear at hero to comp..., Daevryn, 10-Jan-09 10:54 PM, #117
               Reply I think it must be this part:, Mekantos, 11-Jan-09 02:40 PM, #120
               Reply That was what I understood the point of this change to ..., Linolaques, 11-Jan-09 05:54 PM, #123
               Reply Heh., TheLastMohican, 12-Jan-09 04:40 AM, #128
Reply Game., Dallevian, 10-Jan-09 12:12 AM, #102
Reply Even more sick., Dallevian, 10-Jan-09 12:19 AM, #103
Reply They would also need to be locatable..., Tac, 10-Jan-09 12:33 AM, #104
Reply Thieves would rule over all mages, Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:01 AM, #105
Reply AND!, Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:11 AM, #108
     Reply As for thieves.., Adhelard, 10-Jan-09 05:38 PM, #115
Reply Very cool idea. nt, Drokk, 10-Jan-09 09:23 AM, #111
Reply RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands, Isildur, 09-Jan-09 03:22 PM, #78
Reply RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands, Daevryn, 09-Jan-09 03:39 PM, #79
     Reply But, but...!, Straklaw, 09-Jan-09 06:18 PM, #88
          Reply Well, Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:14 AM, #109
Reply My suggestion, incognito, 09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #71
Reply You know what i find funny?, Iza, 09-Jan-09 01:28 PM, #69
Reply RE: You know what i find funny?, Isildur, 09-Jan-09 03:06 PM, #75
Reply Revamping the Wand System, Zephon, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #63
Reply You guys cure symptoms, Dwoggurd, 08-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #56
Reply Exactly how this is going to play out txt, Larcat, 07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #42
Reply RE: Exactly how this is going to play out txt, Daevryn, 07-Jan-09 07:09 PM, #43
Reply RE: Sleek Aura/Barrier/Shield Wands, The Heretic, 07-Jan-09 01:11 PM, #35
Reply They will, but, Rayihn, 07-Jan-09 01:13 PM, #36
     Reply Here's something I don't grasp, Mekantos, 07-Jan-09 03:37 PM, #37
          Reply RE: Here's something I don't grasp, Rayihn, 07-Jan-09 03:47 PM, #38
               Reply But the problem..., Java, 07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #39
               Reply If you really think it will last for a few years... txt, Larcat, 07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #40
               Reply Prove it!, Iza, 07-Jan-09 06:49 PM, #41
               Reply Can I have some more purple crack please., Lightmage, 07-Jan-09 08:32 PM, #44
               Reply When you say ABS.., Adhelard, 07-Jan-09 09:35 PM, #46
               Reply I would say..., EXB, 08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #47
               Reply Clarification, Lightmage, 08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #48
               Reply RE: Clarification, Daevryn, 08-Jan-09 08:51 AM, #53
               Reply RE: Clarification, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 01:50 AM, #147
               Reply re: Battle Berserker Sword Spec v. shapeshifter, Quixotic, 08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #55
               Reply RE: Clarification, Adhelard, 08-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #57
                    Reply 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text), Lightmage, 08-Jan-09 10:04 PM, #58
                         Reply RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text), Daevryn, 08-Jan-09 10:35 PM, #59
                         Reply I hear you..., Lightmage, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #61
                         Reply There's a level 42 one that's in more than not. Surpri..., TheLastMohican, 09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #72
                         Reply Everytime I do this with mages I still die., TheLastMohican, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #62
                         Reply RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text), Mekantos, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #65
                              Reply RE: 75 pk wins with 25 losses at hero. (text), Kadsuane, 09-Jan-09 11:17 AM, #68
                                   Reply You can thank..., Mekantos, 09-Jan-09 03:49 PM, #81
                                        Reply I never fought you without barrier, elmeri_, 09-Jan-09 08:29 PM, #100
                                             Reply Huh?, Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:03 AM, #106
                         Reply You're kidding?, Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #64
                              Reply Well..., Lightmage, 09-Jan-09 11:17 AM, #67
                                   Reply That's a problem to look at that way, Elerosse, 09-Jan-09 01:28 PM, #70
                                        Reply RE: That's a problem to look at that way, Isildur, 09-Jan-09 03:20 PM, #77
                                        Reply RE: That's a problem to look at that way, Elerosse, 09-Jan-09 05:09 PM, #86
                                        Reply RE: That's a problem to look at that way, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 02:10 AM, #149
                                             Reply I thought you could read.~, Elerosse, 21-Jan-09 08:50 AM, #152
               Reply RE: When you say ABS.., The Heretic, 08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #49
                    Reply RE: When you say ABS.., Daevryn, 08-Jan-09 08:39 AM, #52
                    Reply Assuming equal talent, you're wrong., TheLastMohican, 09-Jan-09 02:08 PM, #73
               Reply I think you just got trolled by an imm~, Enbuergo1, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #60
               Reply RE: Can I have some more purple crack please., Isildur, 09-Jan-09 03:09 PM, #76
               Reply RE: Here's something I don't grasp, Grudan, 08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #54
               Reply Coveting Sleeks, Neltouda, 09-Jan-09 07:34 AM, #66
               Reply Were either of you even around when sleeks were rare an..., Lhydia, 09-Jan-09 02:21 PM, #74
               Reply Sorry, but that's not right at all, Mekantos, 09-Jan-09 03:48 PM, #80
                    Reply RE: Sorry, but that's not right at all, Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 04:25 PM, #82
                    Reply But you are forgetting (ALSO: addressing another point), Mekantos, 09-Jan-09 04:42 PM, #83
                    Reply You don't think..., Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 06:54 PM, #91
                         Reply As a hero, Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:07 AM, #107
                    Reply And, Mekantos, 09-Jan-09 04:48 PM, #84
                    Reply RE: Sorry, but that's not right at all, Isildur, 09-Jan-09 05:04 PM, #85
                         Reply "upper echelons" and my Genius Plan, Adhelard, 09-Jan-09 06:48 PM, #90
                         Reply But then Satebos grabs all five and no other mage sees ..., TheLastMohican, 09-Jan-09 07:46 PM, #95
                         Reply Thanks for the nod., Nivek1, 09-Jan-09 07:00 PM, #92
                              Reply It's the build you pick, elmeri_, 09-Jan-09 08:03 PM, #98
                              Reply Does anyone have a problem with..., Mekantos, 10-Jan-09 01:17 AM, #110
                    Reply Mage vs. Warriors, Straklaw, 09-Jan-09 06:16 PM, #87
                         Reply I've been thinking about that same thing.., Elerosse, 09-Jan-09 06:45 PM, #89
               Reply RE: Here's something I don't grasp, Eskelian, 21-Jan-09 01:27 AM, #146
                    Reply Right on. (text), Lightmage, 21-Jan-09 06:48 PM, #153
                    Reply And the PK losses?, Adhelard, 21-Jan-09 08:14 PM, #154
                         Reply A few times. Maybe 2 or 3 times in last 6 years or so...., Lightmage, 21-Jan-09 08:39 PM, #156
                              Reply Clarification...(small text), Lightmage, 21-Jan-09 08:41 PM, #157
                    Reply RE: Here's something I don't grasp, Adhelard, 21-Jan-09 08:10 PM, #155
Reply Am I retarded, or did people miss these parts?, TheLastMohican, 07-Jan-09 12:51 AM, #31
Reply RE: Am I retarded, or did people miss these parts?, Rayihn, 07-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #33
     Reply Yeah, realized this a bit after I posted, heh. NT, TheLastMohican, 07-Jan-09 01:11 PM, #34
Reply My thoughts, Narissa, 06-Jan-09 09:52 PM, #30
Reply Well..., Iza, 05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #20
Reply RE: Well..., Daevryn, 05-Jan-09 10:03 PM, #26
Reply RE: Well..., Iza, 06-Jan-09 12:48 AM, #27
Reply RE: Well..., Klaak, 06-Jan-09 12:27 PM, #28
Reply What was the intended effect?, Larcat, 05-Jan-09 03:47 PM, #15
Reply RE: What was the intended effect?, Daevryn, 05-Jan-09 03:54 PM, #16
     Reply RE: What was the intended effect?, Kadsuane, 05-Jan-09 04:14 PM, #17
          Reply Exactly txt, Larcat, 05-Jan-09 04:49 PM, #18
          Reply Well..., Twist, 05-Jan-09 08:17 PM, #21
               Reply RE: Well..., Grudan, 05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #22
               Reply I hear ya..., Lightmage, 05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #23
               Reply RE: I hear ya..., svarog, 08-Jan-09 07:18 AM, #50
                    Reply Sorry, I meant...., Lightmage, 08-Jan-09 10:52 AM, #51
               Reply So does that make the game more fun?, Enbuergo1, 05-Jan-09 08:58 PM, #25
               Reply RE: Well..., Xanthrailles, 06-Jan-09 09:52 PM, #29
                    Reply Did you reply to the right post?, Twist, 07-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #32
                         Reply RE: Did you reply to the right post?, Xanthrailles, 07-Jan-09 08:32 PM, #45
          Reply RE: What was the intended effect?, Daevryn, 05-Jan-09 06:32 PM, #19
Reply Thanks very much for this., GinGa, 05-Jan-09 03:04 PM, #14
Reply Detect Artifact?, Pendragon_Surtr, 05-Jan-09 12:56 PM, #9
Reply Try the helpfile..., Zulghinlour, 05-Jan-09 01:00 PM, #10
Reply Addition to the helpfile., Lightmage, 05-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #11
Reply Detect artifact change, Abernyte, 05-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #7
Reply RE: Detect artifact change, Grudan, 05-Jan-09 01:22 PM, #12
Reply Perhaps somewhat differently, incognito, 05-Jan-09 02:21 PM, #13
Reply Personally, I'm not interested in lowering detect artif..., Zulghinlour, 05-Jan-09 08:57 PM, #24
Reply Is it still txt, Larcat, 05-Jan-09 07:25 AM, #6
Reply RE: Is it still txt, Rayihn, 05-Jan-09 07:32 AM, #8
Reply Quick question., Lightmage, 05-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #2
Reply RE: Quick question., Zulghinlour, 05-Jan-09 12:38 AM, #3
     Reply RE: Quick question., Jhishesh, 05-Jan-09 01:17 AM, #4
          Reply RE: Quick question., Daevryn, 05-Jan-09 01:19 AM, #5
Reply This could be good, great or completely make me give up..., Kadsuane, 05-Jan-09 12:36 AM, #1
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