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ValguarneraTue 05-Dec-06 03:15 PM
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I think alot of people's complaints indicate that they do infact like tedious.

Yup. People complained when we made it impossible to improve skills from 1%, because practicing it once and going from there meant 1 fewer hp later. People routinely pick 5/5/5/5/5/5/5 affinity distributions. People spam-practice all sorts of garbage despite incentives to do otherwise. The bulk of the changes we've made to the practice system were aimed at making tedious strategies less optimal. There is generally a greater preference for tedium than I would have predicted.

I've always thought it interesting that CF apparently doesn't strive for the kind of balance where all race/class combinations are equally matched 1 vs 1.. Instead there's a huge amount of imbalances that eventually kinda evens out...

I agree the problem exists, though I do think the class gap is smaller at low levels than it used to be. The issue is complex, and we've always approached it iteratively-- tone down low-level Bash/Trip, see how it shakes out.... give mages a few more combat utilities at low levels... see how it shakes out...

I think we're conscious of that issue, and at least I believe that the typical RPG imbalances (where high-level magi dominate high-level warriors, and low-level warriors dominate low-level magi) are a terrible idea. Why create two lopsided fights instead of two even ones? I think we've done a great job of evening out the higher ranks, but we have a ways to go before the "king of the 11-25 hill" could really be any class.

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HOT TopicDual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread) [View all] , Zulghinlour, Mon 04-Dec-06 01:49 PM
Reply Dual-Wielding Phase 2, Zulghinlour, 09-Dec-06 03:17 PM, #66
Reply Dual-Wielding Phase 2.1, Zulghinlour, 09-Dec-06 07:45 PM, #67
     Reply RE: Dual-Wielding Phase 2.1, _Magus_, 09-Dec-06 10:38 PM, #70
     Reply RE: Dual-Wielding Phase 2.1, Zulghinlour, 09-Dec-06 10:48 PM, #71
          Reply RE: Dual-Wielding Phase 2.1, _Magus_, 09-Dec-06 10:52 PM, #72
               Reply RE: Dual-Wielding Phase 2.1, Zulghinlour, 09-Dec-06 11:02 PM, #73
                    Reply Thanks for the responses. ~, _Magus_, 09-Dec-06 11:04 PM, #74
     Reply Can we get an echo for unsuccesful Dual Wield ->, Cassman, 10-Dec-06 11:54 PM, #81
          Reply Or better yet..., Tac, 11-Dec-06 12:38 AM, #82
               Reply Random thought..., Tac, 11-Dec-06 12:39 AM, #83
Reply RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread), TheDude, 05-Dec-06 01:34 PM, #28
Reply RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread), Zulghinlour, 04-Dec-06 02:01 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Dual-Wielding and Fun, Valguarnera, 04-Dec-06 03:26 PM, #2
     Reply In a game like CF, is that much of a surprise? Trying t..., Vladamir, 04-Dec-06 05:44 PM, #6
     Reply RE: In a game like CF, is that much of a surprise? Tryi..., Valguarnera, 04-Dec-06 09:32 PM, #16
          Reply RE: In a game like CF, is that much of a surprise? Tryi..., Java, 05-Dec-06 06:48 AM, #19
               Reply RE: In a game like CF, is that much of a surprise? Tryi..., Daevryn, 05-Dec-06 08:28 AM, #20
               Reply RE: In a game like CF, is that much of a surprise? Tryi..., Java, 05-Dec-06 09:50 PM, #52
               Reply RE: Bad Game Theory:, Valguarnera, 05-Dec-06 09:21 AM, #21
                    Reply Game theory Schametheory, Marcus_, 05-Dec-06 10:02 AM, #22
                    Reply I disagree., (NOT Pro), 05-Dec-06 11:19 AM, #24
                    Reply Lol, Marcus_, 05-Dec-06 12:18 PM, #26
                    Reply This is how I die too, I'm just not as aggressive. Marc..., Scrimbul, 05-Dec-06 12:56 PM, #27
                    Reply RE: Credibility:, Valguarnera, 05-Dec-06 03:05 PM, #32
                    Reply RE: Credibility:, (NOT Pro), 09-Dec-06 10:30 PM, #68
                         Reply RE: Credibility:, Valguarnera, 10-Dec-06 10:03 AM, #75
                              Reply I can't say if I do or don't., (NOT Pro), 10-Dec-06 11:36 AM, #76
                                   Reply RE: I can't say if I do or don't., Nivek1, 10-Dec-06 02:03 PM, #77
                                   Reply I realize principles escape many people, (NOT Pro), 10-Dec-06 07:03 PM, #78
                                        Reply Must be, Nivek1, 10-Dec-06 07:17 PM, #79
                                        Reply You made this statment., (NOT Pro), 11-Dec-06 04:44 PM, #95
                                        Reply RE: I realize principles escape many people, DurNominator, 11-Dec-06 01:15 PM, #89
                                             Reply RE: I realize principles escape many people, Marcus_, 11-Dec-06 03:27 PM, #90
                                                  Reply But you still use triggers., (NOT Pro), 11-Dec-06 04:38 PM, #91
                                                  Reply No. Just plain no., Tac, 11-Dec-06 04:44 PM, #94
                                                       Reply RE: No. Just plain no., (NOT Pro), 11-Dec-06 04:51 PM, #97
                                                       Reply Hehe you remind me of old wiggle####, Marcus_, 11-Dec-06 05:12 PM, #99
                                                       Reply RE: No. Just plain no., Daevryn, 11-Dec-06 05:19 PM, #101
                                                       Reply RE: Marcus and triggers:, Valguarnera, 11-Dec-06 05:43 PM, #103
                                                       Reply Ok..., Tac, 11-Dec-06 05:56 PM, #104
                                                       Reply RE: No. Just plain no., Isildur, 11-Dec-06 06:48 PM, #105
                                                       Reply If you come up with a good answer, let me know. (n/t), Daevryn, 11-Dec-06 07:41 PM, #108
                                                       Reply I wish I could find the article I read..., Tac, 11-Dec-06 08:40 PM, #110
                                                       Reply RE: No. Just plain no., Marcus_, 12-Dec-06 04:22 AM, #121
                                                       Reply Have you ever snooped me?, (NOT Pro), 11-Dec-06 10:49 PM, #112
                                                       Reply RE: Have you ever snooped me?, Daevryn, 11-Dec-06 11:03 PM, #113
                                                       Reply Nep: I don't understand what you mean?, (NOT Pro), 11-Dec-06 11:08 PM, #114
                                                       Reply Nope:, Daevryn, 11-Dec-06 11:13 PM, #116
                                                       Reply I quit doing that after Eshval told me to stop, (NOT Pro), 11-Dec-06 11:37 PM, #118
                                                  Reply You are wasting your time...., Tac, 11-Dec-06 04:38 PM, #92
                                                       Reply Your angst is not proof of fact., (NOT Pro), 11-Dec-06 04:53 PM, #98
                                   Reply RE: I can't say if I do or don't., Valguarnera, 10-Dec-06 07:33 PM, #80
                                        Reply What does my PK ratio have to do with...., (NOT Pro), 11-Dec-06 04:42 PM, #93
                                             Reply Yea..., Tac, 11-Dec-06 04:48 PM, #96
                                             Reply I'm not seeing a name. (n/t), Valguarnera, 11-Dec-06 05:17 PM, #100
                                             Reply Here's the thing, Pro, (NOT Graatch), 11-Dec-06 05:34 PM, #102
                                             Reply Made perfect sense., (NOT Pro), 11-Dec-06 11:05 PM, #111
                                                  Reply Wha?, Valguarnera, 11-Dec-06 11:21 PM, #117
                                                       Reply I don't profess to be a PK' machine., (NOT Pro), 11-Dec-06 11:32 PM, #119
                                                       Reply Additionally., (NOT Pro), 12-Dec-06 12:46 AM, #120
                                             Reply Don't call them out on the red herring bit, N b M, 11-Dec-06 07:04 PM, #106
                                                  Reply Jesus. So much stupid drama., Daevryn, 11-Dec-06 07:39 PM, #107
                                                       Reply Ouch, junior high school., N b M, 11-Dec-06 08:06 PM, #109
                                                            Reply RE: Ouch, junior high school., Daevryn, 11-Dec-06 11:11 PM, #115
                    Reply Addendumn, (NOT Pro), 09-Dec-06 10:35 PM, #69
                    Reply RE: Game theory Schametheory, Valguarnera, 05-Dec-06 03:15 PM #33
                         Reply RE: Game theory Schametheory, DurNominator, 05-Dec-06 03:58 PM, #34
                         Reply RE: Game theory Schametheory, Tac, 05-Dec-06 04:14 PM, #35
                              Reply RE: Game theory Schametheory, Daevryn, 05-Dec-06 04:49 PM, #41
                                   Reply HA!, Tac, 05-Dec-06 05:07 PM, #45
                                   Reply Either way conjie pay dirt is at 28., Eskelian, 11-Dec-06 03:46 AM, #85
                    Reply Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a "flip..., _Magus_, 05-Dec-06 11:26 AM, #25
                         Reply RE: Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a, Daevryn, 05-Dec-06 02:13 PM, #29
                         Reply Then there is something about the code I (or you) may b..., _Magus_, 05-Dec-06 04:35 PM, #37
                         Reply RE: Then there is something about the code I (or you) m..., Daevryn, 05-Dec-06 04:43 PM, #38
                              Reply Can you explain to us how it used to work then?, _Magus_, 05-Dec-06 04:48 PM, #40
                              Reply RE: Can you explain to us how it used to work then?, Daevryn, 05-Dec-06 04:53 PM, #42
                                   Reply And that doesn't strike you as being wrong? ~, _Magus_, 05-Dec-06 04:58 PM, #44
                                   Reply I am pretty sure you're mistaken., (NOT Graatch), 05-Dec-06 05:16 PM, #47
                                   Reply Could be. It's been a while. (n/t), Daevryn, 05-Dec-06 05:54 PM, #49
                                        Reply I'm with Graatch., Eskelian, 11-Dec-06 03:41 AM, #84
                                   Reply I'm positive you could use a held item with a broken wr..., Jagaub, 06-Dec-06 09:44 AM, #58
                                        Reply You illustrated that a lot better than I could have. Th..., _Magus_, 06-Dec-06 04:12 PM, #59
                                        Reply I did this with Graatch., (NOT Graatch), 06-Dec-06 07:52 PM, #61
                              Reply I don't get to say this very much, but you're wrong., Java, 05-Dec-06 09:41 PM, #51
                         Reply My mages routinely use shield + wand. nt, Vladamir, 05-Dec-06 05:53 PM, #48
                         Reply RE: Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a, Zulghinlour, 05-Dec-06 02:15 PM, #30
                         Reply RE: Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a, _Magus_, 05-Dec-06 04:27 PM, #36
                         Reply RE: Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a, DurNominator, 06-Dec-06 05:17 AM, #56
                         Reply RE: Java doesn't seem like the kind of dude to take a, Eskelian, 11-Dec-06 03:56 AM, #87
                         Reply Are you sure you're thinking of the same guy? nt, Vladamir, 05-Dec-06 04:57 PM, #43
     Reply You know what?, Dwoggurd, 05-Dec-06 04:04 AM, #17
     Reply RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread), Valkenar, 04-Dec-06 03:32 PM, #3
     Reply RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread), Daevryn, 04-Dec-06 06:27 PM, #8
     Reply RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread), Igsoeh, 04-Dec-06 03:45 PM, #4
     Reply RE: Dual-Wielding (From the Santa Zulg Thread), Daevryn, 04-Dec-06 06:32 PM, #9
          Reply I'll give you a case, at least for instrument not being..., Scrimbul, 04-Dec-06 06:46 PM, #10
               Reply Would you feel that way..., Daevryn, 04-Dec-06 08:05 PM, #13
                    Reply RE: Would you feel that way..., Scrimbul, 04-Dec-06 08:15 PM, #14
                         Reply Actually, speaking as someone who has used a shield to ..., Vladamir, 04-Dec-06 08:46 PM, #15
     Reply I just want to say..., Tac, 04-Dec-06 04:33 PM, #5
     Reply RE: I just want to say..., Daevryn, 04-Dec-06 06:24 PM, #7
          Reply RE: I just want to say..., Vladamir, 04-Dec-06 07:22 PM, #12
     Reply Solution, WildGirl, 04-Dec-06 07:17 PM, #11
     Reply That's not really fair., Java, 05-Dec-06 06:41 AM, #18
     Reply RE: That's not really fair., Zulghinlour, 05-Dec-06 02:22 PM, #31
          Reply RE: That's not really fair., Java, 05-Dec-06 04:45 PM, #39
     Reply Simple steps to determine if this is a good idea., Farigno, 05-Dec-06 11:09 AM, #23
          Reply You should stay away from humor as much as possible. ~, _Magus_, 05-Dec-06 05:07 PM, #46
          Reply I would retort that perhaps you need to fine one., Farigno, 05-Dec-06 09:17 PM, #50
               Reply I have plenty of humor, kthxbye, _Magus_, 05-Dec-06 10:11 PM, #54
                    Reply RE: I have plenty of humor, kthxbye, Farigno, 06-Dec-06 09:25 PM, #64
          Reply Ok, right after you do this:, Java, 05-Dec-06 09:53 PM, #53
          Reply RE: Ok, right after you do this:, Farigno, 06-Dec-06 01:36 AM, #55
               Reply Realistic you say, Greddarh, 06-Dec-06 07:46 AM, #57
               Reply RE: Realistic you say, Farigno, 06-Dec-06 07:06 PM, #60
               Reply I have a very simple solution., Rogue, 06-Dec-06 08:31 PM, #63
               Reply The problem is you got it backwards., Eskelian, 11-Dec-06 03:50 AM, #86
          Reply I'd just smack the bouncer with the recorder ;) then ma..., Rogue, 06-Dec-06 08:27 PM, #62
          Reply Yay! Finally someone with a sense of humor! n/t, Farigno, 07-Dec-06 12:04 AM, #65
          Reply RE: Simple steps to determine if this is a good idea., Eskelian, 11-Dec-06 04:01 AM, #88
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