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AmarantheSat 24-Jun-06 02:00 PM
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#13611, "To Incog as well, sort of"
Edited on Sat 24-Jun-06 02:01 PM

          

Just a few points I'll touch on here for now:

If you like exploration you are not obligated to look into databases. Go ahead and explore. You will have fun.

That's not true. If you spend 3 weeks puzzling something out and finally achieve the aquisition of the Widget of Wazoo, it's much less satisfying if everyone and their uncle also has the Widget of Wazoo because they looked up step-by-step instructions on a web site.

What you say can be true of a single player game because in such a case, you are in your own isolated little game - your achievement is yours alone. But part of the appeal of a multiplayer game is to measure your accomplishments, not just in PK but otherwise, against other players. It's much less fun to get the said Widget if other people aren't saying "WOW! JOE has the Widget of Wazoo! Incredible! I've only seen that TWICE!"

Now, this isn't to say I don't understand what you are saying. Games like World of Warcraft have all the mechanics and items and such up on web sites galore for the taking. I on and off play games like World of Warcraft, much of the time using those sources because, because, well, self-achievement on solving a World of Warcraft quest is utterly meaningless. But I still have had fun on games like WoW, but in the end, when I want that, I play WoW. When I play Carrion Fields, I'm looking for something more sophisticated, frankly. I'm not interested in seeing Carrion Fields turn into a text version of WoW.

I will say I've played roughly 742 games over the years, including other MMORPGs/MUDs, and Carrion Fields is the only one I've played fairly consistently for 12 years. There's gotta be something to that.

But if you create a game and win because you know something special that other don't, well, you should be ready to be blamed.

I suppose so. But from the other end, it's also foolish to assume that someone's achievement is entirely because of what they know. I can look at code and snoop and such until the cows come home, and I'm never going to be as skilled in PK as, say, a Jinroh. Just not going to happen. I don't have the personality, game focus, twitch, or style to do it. Period. Similarly, we could make all the game knowledge in the world public tomorrow, and the vast majority of players aren't going to be as good as Nepenthe, either. And I can guara-freakin'-tee you that if all the code was public, and an imm still wiped the floor with his character, everyone would accuse him of cheating/having unfair advantages anyways. It's a no-win situation.

But going with your premise, playing fields just aren't always level. Period. There are people in this world born with a silver spoon in their mouths that crash and burn, and others who have ambition and intelligence and drive and become billionaires. Some of it may be their opportunity and education, but some of it is still just comes from within. That person with ambition AND wealth/contacts/whatever may have advantages that the rest of us don't, and people burn with envy/judgement/whatever, but in the end that person gives the rest of society a whole ####load of jobs and some nice condo complexes to live in or whatever. It works out. Just because someone achieves something you don't, whether it's because they are smarter or born into more wealth or whatever, doesn't mean you're a less valuable person or that you should just throw up your arms and give up on the game of life.

I can say with some level of confidence that the staff of CF is on the straight and narrow WAY more than the majority of MUDs out there. Whatever advantage an handful of imms might have is honestly earned.

Talking about a level playing field, there's nothing to stop you from becoming an imm, doing a buttload of work for years, and knowing just as much as any of us do. We're equal-opportunity "employers".

  

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HOT Locked TopicAnonymity [View all] , nepenthe, Tue 31-Jul-07 02:26 PM
Reply Thread locked., Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 06:28 PM, #148
Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #132
Reply RE: Arolin and bugs:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 03:03 PM, #134
Reply Arolin was a cheating #### and I'm glad he's gone., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:53 PM, #140
Reply RE: Anonymity, Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 10:29 AM, #121
Reply RE: Role contest:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 11:13 AM, #122
Reply RE: Role contest:, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:40 PM, #123
Reply He clearly said he wasn't addressing other points.~, Aodh, 31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #125
Reply I am not sure I understand your post., Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:49 PM, #126
Reply No need to be difficult, jasmin, 31-Jul-07 12:58 PM, #127
Reply RE: Unsolicited input., Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 01:22 PM, #128
     Reply you are ignoring the "meat" of my post, jasmin, 31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #133
Reply RE: Role contest:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 01:39 PM, #129
Reply Why delete my post?, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 02:33 PM, #130
     Reply RE: Why delete my post?, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 02:42 PM, #131
     Reply RE: Why delete my post?, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:35 PM, #136
Reply Dear Deathweaver/Shadowmaster/Conclave/etc:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 06:24 PM, #146
Reply Dead horses., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:28 PM, #135
     Reply RE: Dead horses., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:42 PM, #138
          Reply RE: Dead horses., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:51 PM, #139
               Reply RE: Dead horses., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 04:04 PM, #142
                    Reply Found it., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 04:36 PM, #143
                         Reply RE: Found it., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 04:46 PM, #144
                              Reply RE: Found it., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 05:05 PM, #145
Reply RE: Anonymity, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:59 PM, #141
     Reply Just One Question, ORB, 31-Jul-07 06:25 PM, #147
Reply Then vs Now, Rade, 29-Jul-07 03:02 PM, #94
Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 08:48 AM, #96
     Reply Not really, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 03:05 PM, #97
     Reply RE: Not really, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 03:38 PM, #98
     Reply RE: Not really, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:03 PM, #99
          Reply I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt, Larcat, 30-Jul-07 04:18 PM, #100
          Reply RE: I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:38 PM, #101
          Reply IC Information Sharing, Kastellyn, 30-Jul-07 04:44 PM, #102
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:59 PM, #103
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #109
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 31-Jul-07 02:10 AM, #113
                    Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 08:57 AM, #117
                         Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 31-Jul-07 10:15 AM, #120
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Kastellyn, 31-Jul-07 12:09 AM, #112
                    Reply i remember rank 25 valguarnera showing me that quest, laxman, 31-Jul-07 06:50 AM, #114
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Rade, 30-Jul-07 07:43 PM, #104
               Reply Are you capable of not being an ass in how you share?, Nightshade, 30-Jul-07 08:04 PM, #106
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:19 PM, #107
                    Reply Here's a character idea I was thinking about...., Tac, 31-Jul-07 08:36 AM, #115
                         Reply RE: Here's a character idea I was thinking about...., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 09:02 AM, #118
                              Reply I still don't think it would fly..., Tac, 31-Jul-07 09:41 AM, #119
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #124
                    Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:36 PM, #137
     Reply RE: Not really, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:27 PM, #110
     Reply RE: Then vs Now, Rade, 30-Jul-07 07:26 PM, #105
          Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #108
               Reply RE: Then vs Now, Rade, 30-Jul-07 11:13 PM, #111
                    Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 08:55 AM, #116
Reply RE: Anonymity, HammerSong, 26-Jun-06 01:30 PM, #82
Reply Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first place?, Abthalok, 25-Jun-06 03:16 PM, #77
Reply RE: Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first plac..., nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 04:03 PM, #79
     Reply um...?, Odrirg, 28-Jun-06 02:22 AM, #88
          Reply RE: um...?, Sandello, 28-Jun-06 01:19 PM, #89
               Reply RE: um...?, nepenthe, 28-Jun-06 05:53 PM, #92
                    Reply RE: um...?, Sandello, 28-Jun-06 06:16 PM, #93
                    Reply I wish I knew that had changed, A2, 30-Jul-07 08:45 AM, #95
Reply RE: Anonymity, Gaenlin, 25-Jun-06 01:07 PM, #75
Reply Some thoughts, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 07:51 AM, #58
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 11:08 AM, #59
Reply I find this quite an amazing line to take, incognito, 24-Jun-06 11:35 AM, #60
Reply RE: I find this quite an amazing line to take, nepenthe, 24-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #66
Reply Answers, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 12:35 PM, #61
Reply To Incog as well, sort of, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 02:01 PM #62
Reply Hehe, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #63
     Reply RE: Hehe, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 02:39 PM, #64
          Reply Don't worry, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 02:42 PM, #65
          Reply RE: Hehe, Isildur, 27-Jun-06 04:21 PM, #85
Reply RE: Answers, nepenthe, 24-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #67
     Reply Re, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #68
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Eskelian, 26-Jun-06 08:12 AM, #81
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Valguarnera, 24-Jun-06 03:39 PM, #69
Reply Hrm, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #70
Reply RE: Hrm, nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 01:05 AM, #72
     Reply I agree with this, nebel, 25-Jun-06 11:27 AM, #74
          Reply RE: I agree with this, terinth, 27-Jun-06 10:59 PM, #86
               Reply Orcs are creatures filled with hatred violent rage, DurNominator, 28-Jun-06 01:34 AM, #87
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Kamuela_, 24-Jun-06 10:07 PM, #71
Reply Irony, Cenatar_, 25-Jun-06 02:40 PM, #76
     Reply RE: Irony, nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 03:54 PM, #78
     Reply RE: Irony, Valguarnera, 25-Jun-06 04:09 PM, #80
          Reply Ouch..., Minyar, 27-Jun-06 03:43 PM, #84
          Reply Hello valg, Cenatar_, 28-Jun-06 02:24 PM, #90
               Reply RE: Hello valg, nepenthe, 28-Jun-06 04:44 PM, #91
Reply Good post., Thinhallen, 25-Jun-06 06:54 AM, #73
Reply What I don't understand about the people complaining..., KoeKhaos, 24-Jun-06 05:23 AM, #57
Reply I knew it was you when..., (NOT Pro), 24-Jun-06 12:25 AM, #54
Reply An opinion from both sides of the fence., Farigno, 23-Jun-06 10:30 PM, #52
Reply RE: An opinion from both sides of the fence., nepenthe, 23-Jun-06 11:06 PM, #53
Reply Thank you for expressing the same thoughts I had. n/t, Cytherea, 24-Jun-06 12:49 AM, #55
Reply I don't agree with a major point here, incognito, 24-Jun-06 03:07 AM, #56
Reply Respect for stepping up to the plate., Caleban, 23-Jun-06 02:16 AM, #47
Reply Blah, N b M, 22-Jun-06 06:39 PM, #45
Reply In a void of information...., Tac, 22-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #39
Reply RE: Anonymity, Shapa, 22-Jun-06 03:19 PM, #29
Reply RE: Anonymity, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:24 PM, #31
Reply I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing...., Abernyte, 22-Jun-06 03:14 PM, #27
Reply RE: I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing...., nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:21 PM, #30
     Reply RE: :(, shamanman, 22-Jun-06 03:27 PM, #32
          Reply RE: :(, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:30 PM, #34
               Reply Well, think about it this way..., shamanman, 22-Jun-06 03:38 PM, #36
Reply I'm sorry it came out, A2, 22-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #22
Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 22-Jun-06 02:47 PM, #21
Reply RE: Anonymity, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 03:31 PM, #35
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 22-Jun-06 04:08 PM, #37
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 04:19 PM, #40
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:30 PM, #43
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:54 PM, #44
Reply Logs, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:20 PM, #15
Reply Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:13 PM, #13
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #16
Reply Good and bad for you within! TXT, Larcat, 22-Jun-06 02:33 PM, #17
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:38 PM, #18
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 02:37 PM, #19
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 03:02 PM, #23
     Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 03:15 PM, #28
     Reply Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?, Lhydia, 23-Jun-06 06:16 AM, #48
          Reply RE: Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?, Sebeok, 23-Jun-06 08:47 AM, #49
     Reply My View, Khasotholas, 27-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #83
Reply The problem is, coincedences DO happen, Theerkla, 22-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #20
Reply Yup., Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 03:09 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Yup., nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:57 PM, #38
          Reply That actually makes me feel a lot better about this. (t..., Trilo, 23-Jun-06 06:27 PM, #51
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:03 PM, #24
     Reply Thanks, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 03:12 PM, #26
     Reply RE: Thanks, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:28 PM, #33
          Reply RE: Thanks, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:31 PM, #42
     Reply RE: Here is my take on it, GoodLuckDice, 23-Jun-06 01:50 AM, #46
Reply Man... TXT, Larcat, 22-Jun-06 02:04 PM, #12
Reply Sentiments I Respect, wretchedmongrel, 22-Jun-06 01:50 PM, #10
Reply RE: Anonymity, Cenatar_, 22-Jun-06 01:26 PM, #8
Reply So what you are saying is..., Lightmage, 22-Jun-06 01:23 PM, #7
Reply RE: Anonymity, Isildur, 22-Jun-06 01:22 PM, #6
Reply RE: Anonymity, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 01:54 PM, #11
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:16 PM, #14
Reply Wow - great post., Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 01:18 PM, #5
Reply Dude, check this out, eternal_elf, 22-Jun-06 01:12 PM, #4
Reply RE: Dude, check this out, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 01:43 PM, #9
     Reply RE: Dude, check this out, valrow22, 22-Jun-06 04:34 PM, #41
     Reply You are such a tease :(. n/t, eternal_elf, 23-Jun-06 11:11 AM, #50
Reply RE: Anonymity, the shark, 22-Jun-06 01:08 PM, #2
Reply It's said that this is necessary, Theerkla, 22-Jun-06 01:01 PM, #1
     Reply I would just like to say I very strongly second the sen..., Tac, 22-Jun-06 01:11 PM, #3
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