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AmarantheSat 24-Jun-06 11:03 AM
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#13605, "RE: Some thoughts"
Edited on Sat 24-Jun-06 11:08 AM

          

Are there advantages and disadvantages between different players? Sure. But those advantages are not necessarily equated with who is an immortal or who is not.

I can guarantee you that the vast majority of active players know substantially more than I do in terms of wand locations, even after being an imm for years and years. So whatever advantage there might be between some item-saavy imm and a non-imm, and a non-item-saavy imm and an item-saavy mortal.. it's all irrevelent. Fundamentally speaking, most imms are good players not because they are imms, but because they are veteran players. (And for the record, for every Nepenthe there are plenty of imm characters that are not earth-shattering or even noticed. Hell, for every talk-of-the-town mortal some imm is to discovered to have played, there may be half a dozen other characters played by the exact same imm that no one had a single conspiracy theory about!)

You really don't want equity. At least *I* don't want equity. At the risk of getting into political discourse, socialism is bunny-fluff happy in theory but insideously destructive in practice.

Your analogy to games like chess or football are irrelevant because games like chess and football DO have inequities. Some players are stronger, faster, smarter, whatever. You have to learn to work around that, and just do your best against stronger players and strategies, and have fun. Whether you are physically stronger or not is equalized in a MUD. Instead, the factors of competition in CF are in part items and knowledge. It's what gives the game longevity, to constantly be expanding your knowledge and thus improving your game.

If everyone could just look up locations of items on a database somewhere, it would remove a factor of long-term competition. Not to mention, it would ruin the exploration element (which is fun for a LOT of player-types, myself included). Even people who refused to look on the database are screwed out of exploration challenges when those things become common knowledge. Similarly it would ruin roleplaying opportunities.. bargaining or flattering another character for knowledge, etc. That's the beauty of it.. you insert these elements, and they become a major player in PK, and by extention, a player in exploration and RP as well.

To take an extreme, everything would be *most* equitible if you just dropped everyone into the game with identical stats and sub-issue items, popped them all to level 51 and queued them into equally balanced fights in some perfectly balanced battlefield. But, that would be a different game (and I dare suspect, one you wouldn't play as much.) Again, that is an extreme, but the theory still applies.

What makes any game or story interesting is conflict, mystery, uncertainty. Does my opponent have him some good wands, or not? Where can I find my own? How can I find my own? Maybe I can persuade him to share them with me, or explore on my own... And on and on.

This isn't just some strategy/twitch game... it's a strategy/twitch game interwoven with story elements, and with relationship elements. "The cat sat on the mat." is not a story. "The cat sat on the dog's mat.", now *there's* a story.

  

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HOT Locked TopicAnonymity [View all] , nepenthe, Tue 31-Jul-07 02:26 PM
Reply Thread locked., Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 06:28 PM, #148
Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #132
Reply RE: Arolin and bugs:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 03:03 PM, #134
Reply Arolin was a cheating #### and I'm glad he's gone., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:53 PM, #140
Reply RE: Anonymity, Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 10:29 AM, #121
Reply RE: Role contest:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 11:13 AM, #122
Reply RE: Role contest:, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:40 PM, #123
Reply He clearly said he wasn't addressing other points.~, Aodh, 31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #125
Reply I am not sure I understand your post., Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:49 PM, #126
Reply No need to be difficult, jasmin, 31-Jul-07 12:58 PM, #127
Reply RE: Unsolicited input., Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 01:22 PM, #128
     Reply you are ignoring the "meat" of my post, jasmin, 31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #133
Reply RE: Role contest:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 01:39 PM, #129
Reply Why delete my post?, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 02:33 PM, #130
     Reply RE: Why delete my post?, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 02:42 PM, #131
     Reply RE: Why delete my post?, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:35 PM, #136
Reply Dear Deathweaver/Shadowmaster/Conclave/etc:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 06:24 PM, #146
Reply Dead horses., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:28 PM, #135
     Reply RE: Dead horses., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:42 PM, #138
          Reply RE: Dead horses., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:51 PM, #139
               Reply RE: Dead horses., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 04:04 PM, #142
                    Reply Found it., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 04:36 PM, #143
                         Reply RE: Found it., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 04:46 PM, #144
                              Reply RE: Found it., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 05:05 PM, #145
Reply RE: Anonymity, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:59 PM, #141
     Reply Just One Question, ORB, 31-Jul-07 06:25 PM, #147
Reply Then vs Now, Rade, 29-Jul-07 03:02 PM, #94
Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 08:48 AM, #96
     Reply Not really, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 03:05 PM, #97
     Reply RE: Not really, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 03:38 PM, #98
     Reply RE: Not really, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:03 PM, #99
          Reply I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt, Larcat, 30-Jul-07 04:18 PM, #100
          Reply RE: I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:38 PM, #101
          Reply IC Information Sharing, Kastellyn, 30-Jul-07 04:44 PM, #102
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:59 PM, #103
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #109
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 31-Jul-07 02:10 AM, #113
                    Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 08:57 AM, #117
                         Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 31-Jul-07 10:15 AM, #120
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Kastellyn, 31-Jul-07 12:09 AM, #112
                    Reply i remember rank 25 valguarnera showing me that quest, laxman, 31-Jul-07 06:50 AM, #114
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Rade, 30-Jul-07 07:43 PM, #104
               Reply Are you capable of not being an ass in how you share?, Nightshade, 30-Jul-07 08:04 PM, #106
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:19 PM, #107
                    Reply Here's a character idea I was thinking about...., Tac, 31-Jul-07 08:36 AM, #115
                         Reply RE: Here's a character idea I was thinking about...., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 09:02 AM, #118
                              Reply I still don't think it would fly..., Tac, 31-Jul-07 09:41 AM, #119
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #124
                    Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:36 PM, #137
     Reply RE: Not really, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:27 PM, #110
     Reply RE: Then vs Now, Rade, 30-Jul-07 07:26 PM, #105
          Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #108
               Reply RE: Then vs Now, Rade, 30-Jul-07 11:13 PM, #111
                    Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 08:55 AM, #116
Reply RE: Anonymity, HammerSong, 26-Jun-06 01:30 PM, #82
Reply Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first place?, Abthalok, 25-Jun-06 03:16 PM, #77
Reply RE: Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first plac..., nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 04:03 PM, #79
     Reply um...?, Odrirg, 28-Jun-06 02:22 AM, #88
          Reply RE: um...?, Sandello, 28-Jun-06 01:19 PM, #89
               Reply RE: um...?, nepenthe, 28-Jun-06 05:53 PM, #92
                    Reply RE: um...?, Sandello, 28-Jun-06 06:16 PM, #93
                    Reply I wish I knew that had changed, A2, 30-Jul-07 08:45 AM, #95
Reply RE: Anonymity, Gaenlin, 25-Jun-06 01:07 PM, #75
Reply Some thoughts, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 07:51 AM, #58
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 11:08 AM #59
Reply I find this quite an amazing line to take, incognito, 24-Jun-06 11:35 AM, #60
Reply RE: I find this quite an amazing line to take, nepenthe, 24-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #66
Reply Answers, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 12:35 PM, #61
Reply To Incog as well, sort of, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 02:01 PM, #62
Reply Hehe, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #63
     Reply RE: Hehe, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 02:39 PM, #64
          Reply Don't worry, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 02:42 PM, #65
          Reply RE: Hehe, Isildur, 27-Jun-06 04:21 PM, #85
Reply RE: Answers, nepenthe, 24-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #67
     Reply Re, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #68
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Eskelian, 26-Jun-06 08:12 AM, #81
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Valguarnera, 24-Jun-06 03:39 PM, #69
Reply Hrm, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #70
Reply RE: Hrm, nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 01:05 AM, #72
     Reply I agree with this, nebel, 25-Jun-06 11:27 AM, #74
          Reply RE: I agree with this, terinth, 27-Jun-06 10:59 PM, #86
               Reply Orcs are creatures filled with hatred violent rage, DurNominator, 28-Jun-06 01:34 AM, #87
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Kamuela_, 24-Jun-06 10:07 PM, #71
Reply Irony, Cenatar_, 25-Jun-06 02:40 PM, #76
     Reply RE: Irony, nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 03:54 PM, #78
     Reply RE: Irony, Valguarnera, 25-Jun-06 04:09 PM, #80
          Reply Ouch..., Minyar, 27-Jun-06 03:43 PM, #84
          Reply Hello valg, Cenatar_, 28-Jun-06 02:24 PM, #90
               Reply RE: Hello valg, nepenthe, 28-Jun-06 04:44 PM, #91
Reply Good post., Thinhallen, 25-Jun-06 06:54 AM, #73
Reply What I don't understand about the people complaining..., KoeKhaos, 24-Jun-06 05:23 AM, #57
Reply I knew it was you when..., (NOT Pro), 24-Jun-06 12:25 AM, #54
Reply An opinion from both sides of the fence., Farigno, 23-Jun-06 10:30 PM, #52
Reply RE: An opinion from both sides of the fence., nepenthe, 23-Jun-06 11:06 PM, #53
Reply Thank you for expressing the same thoughts I had. n/t, Cytherea, 24-Jun-06 12:49 AM, #55
Reply I don't agree with a major point here, incognito, 24-Jun-06 03:07 AM, #56
Reply Respect for stepping up to the plate., Caleban, 23-Jun-06 02:16 AM, #47
Reply Blah, N b M, 22-Jun-06 06:39 PM, #45
Reply In a void of information...., Tac, 22-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #39
Reply RE: Anonymity, Shapa, 22-Jun-06 03:19 PM, #29
Reply RE: Anonymity, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:24 PM, #31
Reply I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing...., Abernyte, 22-Jun-06 03:14 PM, #27
Reply RE: I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing...., nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:21 PM, #30
     Reply RE: :(, shamanman, 22-Jun-06 03:27 PM, #32
          Reply RE: :(, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:30 PM, #34
               Reply Well, think about it this way..., shamanman, 22-Jun-06 03:38 PM, #36
Reply I'm sorry it came out, A2, 22-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #22
Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 22-Jun-06 02:47 PM, #21
Reply RE: Anonymity, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 03:31 PM, #35
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 22-Jun-06 04:08 PM, #37
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 04:19 PM, #40
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:30 PM, #43
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:54 PM, #44
Reply Logs, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:20 PM, #15
Reply Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:13 PM, #13
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #16
Reply Good and bad for you within! TXT, Larcat, 22-Jun-06 02:33 PM, #17
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:38 PM, #18
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 02:37 PM, #19
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 03:02 PM, #23
     Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 03:15 PM, #28
     Reply Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?, Lhydia, 23-Jun-06 06:16 AM, #48
          Reply RE: Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?, Sebeok, 23-Jun-06 08:47 AM, #49
     Reply My View, Khasotholas, 27-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #83
Reply The problem is, coincedences DO happen, Theerkla, 22-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #20
Reply Yup., Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 03:09 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Yup., nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:57 PM, #38
          Reply That actually makes me feel a lot better about this. (t..., Trilo, 23-Jun-06 06:27 PM, #51
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:03 PM, #24
     Reply Thanks, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 03:12 PM, #26
     Reply RE: Thanks, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:28 PM, #33
          Reply RE: Thanks, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:31 PM, #42
     Reply RE: Here is my take on it, GoodLuckDice, 23-Jun-06 01:50 AM, #46
Reply Man... TXT, Larcat, 22-Jun-06 02:04 PM, #12
Reply Sentiments I Respect, wretchedmongrel, 22-Jun-06 01:50 PM, #10
Reply RE: Anonymity, Cenatar_, 22-Jun-06 01:26 PM, #8
Reply So what you are saying is..., Lightmage, 22-Jun-06 01:23 PM, #7
Reply RE: Anonymity, Isildur, 22-Jun-06 01:22 PM, #6
Reply RE: Anonymity, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 01:54 PM, #11
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:16 PM, #14
Reply Wow - great post., Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 01:18 PM, #5
Reply Dude, check this out, eternal_elf, 22-Jun-06 01:12 PM, #4
Reply RE: Dude, check this out, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 01:43 PM, #9
     Reply RE: Dude, check this out, valrow22, 22-Jun-06 04:34 PM, #41
     Reply You are such a tease :(. n/t, eternal_elf, 23-Jun-06 11:11 AM, #50
Reply RE: Anonymity, the shark, 22-Jun-06 01:08 PM, #2
Reply It's said that this is necessary, Theerkla, 22-Jun-06 01:01 PM, #1
     Reply I would just like to say I very strongly second the sen..., Tac, 22-Jun-06 01:11 PM, #3
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