>
Greddarh, is another
>example I remember a log of him being posted where he was
>battling three marans and dies and someone thought they did
>something note worthy.
>


He was raiding. Honestly, I'm annoyed that you would include us in your category of "ganging types" because we showed up to defend a raid and killed him. Seriously, give me a break.

Furthermore, what this thread lacks is honest self-assessment. Was it necessary for Meakanera to bring the extra guy to every kill? (~2 gank-o-meter for you with that one.) I doubt it. My guess is you "wanted to seal the kill." Was it necessary for Greddarh to gank this poor uncaballed dude 4-1 on the North Road? (log enclosed below - and it's pretty egregious if you ask me.) If we all weren't so quick to blame every player but ourselves for gankage/full looting/selective log ins/whatever, things might work themselves out. You never know. Maybe the change can start with looking at the man in the mirror.

Here's the Greddarh log to give you some perspective:

People near you:
(PK) Throt The North Road
Grith The North Road

1053/1053hp 466/466m 782/844mv (7 AM) civilized 24350tnl The North Road



1053/1053hp 466/466m 781/844mv (7 AM) civilized 24350tnl e
The North Road



1053/1053hp 466/466m 780/844mv (7 AM) civilized 24350tnl s
The North Road



1053/1053hp 466/466m 779/844mv (7 AM) civilized 24350tnl w
A Junction with an Ancient Dwarven Tunnel



1053/1053hp 466/466m 778/844mv (7 AM) civilized 24350tnl w
The North Road



1053/1053hp 466/466m 777/844mv (7 AM) civilized 24350tnl
Greddarh has summoned you!
The North Road


A Nightwalker stands in the shadows, breathing heavily.
A Nightwalker stands in the shadows, breathing heavily.
(WANTED) Kallyiath is here.
(Translucent) A yellow maned lion whips around and glares dispassionately upon you.
A flesh golem lumbers along, vacant eyes watching for its master's presence.
A gibbering ghoul stalks new flesh here, its yellowed fangs bared.
(Ghostly) Zulgoth is here.
(Translucent) (Swirling Air) Larinus is here.
(WANTED) Greddarh is here.

1053/1053hp 466/466m 777/844mv (7 AM) civilized 24350tnl whe
People near you:
(PK) Throt The North Road
(PK) Greddarh The North Road
(PK) Kallyiath The North Road
Veron The North Road
Lardin The North Road
(PK) a lion The North Road
(PK) Larinus The North Road
Grith The North Road
Zulgoth The North Road
Rennog The North Road

1053/1053hp 466/466m 777/844mv (7 AM) civilized 24350tnl e

Kallyiath trips you and you go down!
Kallyiath's trip scratches you.
You yell 'Help! Kallyiath just tripped me!'
Kallyiath is in perfect health.

1051/1053hp 466/466m 777/844mv (7 AM) civilized 24350tnl
A lion rakes his claws across your body.
A lion's raking claws DISMEMBERS you!
A lion's raking claws DISMEMBERS you!
You yell 'Help! a lion is clawing me!'
Kallyiath is in perfect health.

929/1053hp 466/466m 777/844mv (7 AM) civilized 24350tnl
The sky is getting cloudy.

Autosaving.
Zulgoth becomes corporeal again.
Kallyiath is in perfect health.

942/1053hp 466/466m 833/844mv (8 AM) civilized 24350tnl
You yell 'Help! I'm being attacked by the Nightwalker!'
You parry the Nightwalker's claw.
You dodge the Nightwalker's claw.
You parry the Nightwalker's claw.
You parry Kallyiath's cut.
You parry Kallyiath's defilement.
You dodge Kallyiath's cut.
You parry Kallyiath's defilement.
You dodge Greddarh's cleave.
You dodge Greddarh's defilement.
You dodge Greddarh's cleave.
Greddarh's defilement DISMEMBERS you!
Kallyiath dodges your cleave.
You dodge a lion's claw.
A lion's claw DISMEMBERS you!
A lion's claw DISMEMBERS you!
A lion's claw misses you.
A lion's claw DISMEMBERS you!
Kallyiath is in perfect health.

703/1053hp 466/466m 833/844mv (8 AM) civilized 24350tnl
Swinging his foot to one side, Greddarh knocks your feet together and you fall!
Greddarh's trip scratches you.
Kallyiath is in perfect health.

701/1053hp 466/466m 833/844mv (8 AM) civilized 24350tnl flee

You yell 'Die, Larinus, you sorcerous dog!'
Larinus utters the words, 'szbbrz ha bajroculof'.
Larinus tosses a small pebble at you.
In mid-air the pebble transforms into a huge boulder!
The huge boulder narrowly misses you.
Kallyiath is in perfect health.

701/1053hp 466/466m 833/844mv (8 AM) civilized 24350tnl
You parry the Nightwalker's claw.
At the last moment you avoid Greddarh's cleave.
You parry Greddarh's defilement.
You dodge Greddarh's cleave.
You dodge Greddarh's cleave.
Kallyiath's cut EVISCERATES you!
You barely manage to turn Kallyiath's defilement aside.
Your cleave EVISCERATES Kallyiath!
Kallyiath parries your cleave.
You dodge a lion's claw.
A lion's claw DISMEMBERS you!
You parry a lion's claw.
A lion's claw misses you.
Kallyiath has a few scratches.

598/1053hp 466/466m 833/844mv (8 AM) civilized 24350tnl
You yell 'Help! I'm being attacked by the Nightwalker!'
You parry the Nightwalker's claw.
Kallyiath has a few scratches.

598/1053hp 466/466m 833/844mv (8 AM) civilized 24350tnl
With a powerful leap, Kallyiath executes a rising crescent kick on you!
Kallyiath drives his spiked boot into your body!
Kallyiath's mountain storm kick DISMEMBERS you!
A lion rakes his claws across your body.
A lion's raking claws MASSACRES you!
A lion's raking claws DISMEMBERS you!
Kallyiath has a few scratches.

411/1053hp 466/466m 833/844mv (8 AM) civilized 24350tnl
You parry the Nightwalker's claw.
You parry the Nightwalker's claw.
The Nightwalker's claw mauls you.
You dodge Greddarh's cleave.
Greddarh's defilement DISMEMBERS you!
Greddarh's cleave DISMEMBERS you!
You parry Kallyiath's cut.
You dodge Kallyiath's defilement.
You dodge Kallyiath's cut.
Kallyiath parries your cleave.
Kallyiath dodges your cleave.
A lion's claw MASSACRES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
A lion's claw MASSACRES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
A lion's claw MASSACRES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Kallyiath has a few scratches.

70/1053hp 466/466m 833/844mv (8 AM) civilized 24350tnl
Greddarh's trip misses you.
Kallyiath has a few scratches.

70/1053hp 466/466m 833/844mv (8 AM) civilized 24350tnl
You yell 'Die, Larinus, you sorcerous dog!'
Larinus utters the words, 'yaftze diesilla'.
Larinus's hands crackle with electricity as he unleashes a forked bolt of lightning!
Larinus's forked lightning MANGLES you!
You have been KILLED!!


You feel you will be less able to deflect blows with your armor.
You have died, but the Carrion Fields are not finished with you yet!
Your soul is returned to the realms in the form of a ghost.
You will return to your corporeal state in a short while.
Be careful, for even a ghost should fear some dangers!

1/988hp 1/466m 833/844mv (8 AM) civilized 24350tnl Better stand up first.