I hate having to disagree with you.

but,in my opinion, if option A is true, your last stipulation of option A (god doesn't actually create the absolute moral principle) is invalid.

Why? Well, Let's say there are absolute moral principles, which are universal moral laws not unlike the Universal laws of Physics....for example Gravity or the speed of light.

Well, A good working defenition of "God", in my opinion, is an entity that created the universe, which would include the laws of physics (and by extension, in option A) the universal laws of Morality.

Sure, you can say god never had to "Reveal" the physical laws to mankind....but I can say that he did.

How? By giving us senses by which to observe them. We have mass and senses and can observe gravity at work. It can also be said that we have internal senses that can observe the universal "Moral" rules at work.


I understand your argument comes from my statement that the religious view is that "murder is wrong because God sais it's wrong, period."

And that lead to your option B. but I think it goes deeper than that.


Did God say it was wrong just because? or did God say it was wrong because he MADE it wrong, as in Option A.

Also, for many religious people, option B isn't valid for another reason. For a God that created the universe, and Time, he is also OUTSIDE of time. He is also perfect and flawless (there is a debate whether his omniscience springs from his being outside of time and perfect....or if his being outside of time and perfect springs from him being omniscient....or if such a causality relationship between these aspects of him is even valid to consider).

Meaning, he does not change. Yes, mortal PERCEPTION of him can change. And his specific rules for specific groups of people can change as those specific groups grow and change, but the basic MORALITY RULES, can't change. He can't change his mind and say that setting children on fire is Morally right....because that would mean he was Wrong before when he said that it was Morally wrong, And God, by the definition many religous people go by, can't be wrong.