Valguarnera | Fri 17-Nov-06 01:25 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#729, "RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread."
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The conspiracy theories are nuts, yeah, but it's possible to take the position that uncontrolled immigration (largely from Mexico) has a deliterious effect on the American economy without being a virulent racist.
That isn't what Pro has been purporting, however. He's specifically and repeatedly described the immigration as a political movement, sponsored by the Mexican government, designed to lead to the secession of the Southwest. There's zero data for it, but the white supramecist movement (Stormfront, White Nationalist, Council of Conservative Citizens, National Alliance, etc.) in the U.S. uses it heavily to fearmonger.
The Aztlan stuff gets its "legs", so to speak, from statements made by nutjobs on the opposite side of the spectrum, who actually do think the U.S. should give the southwestern territories back to Mexico. Those guys just aren't representative of immigrants as a whole.
But it doesn't have "legs". Who is advocating this now? A couple of college students?
You're right that the immigration issue is complex, and the current system has flaws. (I happen to be in favor of essentially legalizing the majority of workers, and view immigration as a largely positive force, but there are pros and cons to my position.) But that's a very different discussion from what Pro is pushing (and is in line with Pro's previous comments on black Americans, Latino culture and its influence in the US, etc.), and I think it's dangerous to ignore the elephant in the room and pretend he's fanatical about it because of economic reasons.
valguarnera@carrionfields.com
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Vote. nt
[View all] , Nivek1, Tue 07-Nov-06 05:23 PM
Thread locked due to bloat.,
Valguarnera,
13-Dec-06 03:14 PM, #94
No. Why? Its pointless. n/t,
Eskelian,
11-Nov-06 10:44 AM, #24
That's the exact reason your party won't ever gain any ...,
DurNominator,
11-Nov-06 11:32 AM, #25
Since when do I have a party?,
Eskelian,
12-Nov-06 10:57 PM, #26
RE: Since when do I have a party?,
DurNominator,
13-Nov-06 06:50 AM, #28
Grats to Democrats for their victory.,
DurNominator,
10-Nov-06 02:08 PM, #17
Honestly, it was a beating my party needed.,
Minyar,
10-Nov-06 04:52 PM, #20
RE: Yep.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 03:07 AM, #39
Macaca! n/t,
Grurk Muouk,
08-Nov-06 10:05 AM, #12
Yup.,
Valguarnera,
08-Nov-06 11:26 AM, #13
Thank god the Liberal media was there to make it known ...,
Minyar,
10-Nov-06 04:45 PM, #18
Well, it's a real issue.,
Valguarnera,
10-Nov-06 05:30 PM, #22
While I'm not a big fan of racism.,
Eskelian,
12-Nov-06 11:01 PM, #27
RE: While I'm not a big fan of racism.,
Valguarnera,
13-Nov-06 09:25 AM, #29
RE: While I'm not a big fan of racism.,
Tac,
13-Nov-06 12:47 PM, #30
I did!,
Valguarnera,
08-Nov-06 09:31 AM, #11
How is it you just can't see the reality of this?,
(NOT Pro),
17-Nov-06 12:32 AM, #31
RE: How is it you just can't see the reality of this?,
Daevryn,
17-Nov-06 02:49 AM, #32
Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Valguarnera,
17-Nov-06 11:48 AM, #33
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Isildur,
17-Nov-06 12:00 PM, #34
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Valguarnera,
17-Nov-06 01:25 PM #35
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Isildur,
17-Nov-06 02:32 PM, #36
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 02:47 AM, #37
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Isildur,
20-Nov-06 02:58 PM, #43
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 08:41 PM, #47
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Isildur,
20-Nov-06 11:43 PM, #52
Herein we have the reason I call people traitors.,
(NOT Pro),
21-Nov-06 01:52 AM, #53
I love America,
Tac,
21-Nov-06 09:25 AM, #55
Not only are you wrong you are correct.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:30 PM, #82
Since you lack the ability...,
Tac,
10-Dec-06 08:25 PM, #87
RE: Not only are you wrong you are correct.,
Isildur,
10-Dec-06 08:35 PM, #89
Along those lines:,
Valguarnera,
10-Dec-06 09:07 PM, #91
RE: Herein we have the reason I call people traitors.,
Isildur,
21-Nov-06 11:24 AM, #57
Past changes.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:33 PM, #83
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 03:04 AM, #38
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Valguarnera,
20-Nov-06 10:31 AM, #40
Where in lies your misconception of me.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 12:08 PM, #41
You poor, poor thing,
Aodh,
20-Nov-06 02:09 PM, #42
I don't think you understand the debate.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 08:53 PM, #50
RE: Where in lies your misconception of me.,
Isildur,
20-Nov-06 03:19 PM, #44
Abramoff et al...,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 08:52 PM, #49
RE: Abramoff et al...,
Isildur,
20-Nov-06 11:39 PM, #51
None of the Republicans up for reelection took a hard l...,
(NOT Pro),
21-Nov-06 01:54 AM, #54
RE: None of the Republicans up for reelection took a ha...,
Isildur,
21-Nov-06 11:17 AM, #56
Colorado is a Democratic State.,
(NOT Pro),
27-Nov-06 03:07 AM, #59
What are you even basing that on?,
Daevryn,
27-Nov-06 03:47 AM, #60
He's disconnected from reality.,
Valguarnera,
27-Nov-06 10:14 AM, #61
This conversation reminds me of work...,
Wilhath,
27-Nov-06 06:54 PM, #64
So...you're trying to insinuate I'm not Zeus?,
Eskelian,
28-Nov-06 02:46 AM, #65
I based it off my memory, then I checked the official.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:07 PM, #75
RE: Colorado is a Democratic State.,
Isildur,
27-Nov-06 10:50 AM, #62
More Colorado facts!,
Valguarnera,
27-Nov-06 11:11 AM, #63
Wherein liberals don't get it.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:10 PM, #76
RE: Wherein liberals don't get it.,
Daevryn,
10-Dec-06 05:33 PM, #84
RE: Wherein liberals don't get it.,
Eskelian,
11-Dec-06 03:15 AM, #93
RE: Wherein liberals don't get it.,
Valguarnera,
10-Dec-06 07:11 PM, #85
RE: Wherein liberals don't get it.,
Isildur,
10-Dec-06 08:45 PM, #90
Some numbers to crunch:,
Valguarnera,
10-Dec-06 09:30 PM, #92
RE: Where in lies your misconception of me.,
Daevryn,
20-Nov-06 04:00 PM, #45
Relative to...,
Valguarnera,
20-Nov-06 05:21 PM, #46
Correction.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 08:46 PM, #48
RE: Where in lies your misconception of me.,
DurNominator,
22-Nov-06 02:32 PM, #58
I won't speak for Pro, but....,
Pendragon_Surtr,
08-Dec-06 09:07 PM, #66
RE: I won't speak for Pro, but....,
Isildur,
09-Dec-06 10:01 AM, #67
So we should allow illegal aliens to cross the borders,
Pendragon_Surtr,
09-Dec-06 03:36 PM, #68
Psst. They are.,
Valguarnera,
09-Dec-06 04:37 PM, #69
RE: Psst. They are.,
Isildur,
09-Dec-06 06:57 PM, #71
RE: Psst. They are.,
Valguarnera,
10-Dec-06 10:00 AM, #73
RE: Psst. They are.,
Isildur,
10-Dec-06 11:41 AM, #74
Which is why I'm boggled by you wanting more here legal...,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:18 PM, #79
RE: Which is why I'm boggled by you wanting more here l...,
Isildur,
10-Dec-06 08:29 PM, #88
RE: Psst. They are.,
Pendragon_Surtr,
09-Dec-06 08:16 PM, #72
A huge contributor to the problem of "Jobs we don't wan...,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:27 PM, #81
RE: Psst. They are.,
Isildur,
10-Dec-06 08:22 PM, #86
These peopl are invaders.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:16 PM, #78
RE: So we should allow illegal aliens to cross the bord...,
Isildur,
09-Dec-06 06:49 PM, #70
RE: So we should allow illegal aliens to cross the bord...,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:24 PM, #80
We don't want or need everyone to come here.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:12 PM, #77
Vote third party. nt,
Tac,
07-Nov-06 05:38 PM, #1
From my conservative standpoint...,
Nivek1,
07-Nov-06 06:16 PM, #2
From my intelligent viewpoint, some shouldn't vote....,
Tac,
07-Nov-06 06:38 PM, #3
I choose not to vote... and I'll tell you why...,
Saith,
07-Nov-06 06:44 PM, #4
You have a good point,
Drag0nSt0rm,
07-Nov-06 06:59 PM, #5
Is bad point,
Tac,
07-Nov-06 07:04 PM, #7
One thing that makes me laugh, but cry inside at the sa...,
Minyar,
10-Nov-06 04:55 PM, #21
I've been there...,
Tac,
07-Nov-06 07:03 PM, #6
RE: I've been there...,
Saith,
08-Nov-06 12:51 AM, #8
How sad,
DurNominator,
08-Nov-06 04:14 AM, #9
You'll get no argument from me...,
Tac,
08-Nov-06 09:14 AM, #10
RE: How sad,
Rho,
09-Nov-06 05:21 PM, #16
So...,
Minyar,
10-Nov-06 04:49 PM, #19
Your going to elect only one president,
DurNominator,
11-Nov-06 12:49 AM, #23
here's where you're wrong,
Isildur,
08-Nov-06 06:06 PM, #14
Good idea... didn't think about that...nt,
Saith,
08-Nov-06 09:36 PM, #15
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