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ValguarneraThu 19-Jul-07 03:47 PM
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#1191, "Oh dear. You're serious?"


          

I don't think it is clear that without US involvement in the European theater (which from what your saying wouldn't have been the issue anyway) that all of Europe would have fallen to Germany. I consider it more like that Communist Russia takes more than they did and then destabilizes like they did and things are more or less the same. It's all theoretical anyway.

More or less all of Europe did fall to the Axis, aside from Britain, Spain, and a couple neutral countries. That isn't theoretical. This is why Americans (and Britons and others) got shot to hell on Normandy's beaches instead of walking in from friendly ports.

By 1942, the Nazis controlled all of continental Europe (except Spain, which was neutral and in civil war), much of North Africa, and had made significant headway into the Soviet Union. Without US involvement, you're looking at one of two possibilities-- Nazi-controlled Europe/Britain and Stalinist Asia, or Stalinist Eurasia. If you think either of those leads to a better America today, I don't know what else to say.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

  

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HOT TopicFreedom in the USA. [View all] , Eskelian, Tue 17-Jul-07 06:42 PM
Reply Great Discussion, Kastellyn, 23-Jul-07 01:02 PM, #60
Reply RE: Great Discussion, Eskelian, 27-Jul-07 04:19 PM, #62
Reply RE: Quitting your job:, Valguarnera, 18-Jul-07 01:25 PM, #10
Reply RE: Quitting your job:, Tac, 18-Jul-07 02:02 PM, #12
Reply RE: Quitting your job:, Eskelian, 19-Jul-07 09:35 AM, #26
Reply RE: Quitting your job:, Eskelian, 19-Jul-07 09:33 AM, #25
     Reply RE: Quitting your job:, Zesam, 20-Jul-07 07:12 AM, #47
          Reply RE: Quitting your job:, Eskelian, 20-Jul-07 10:22 AM, #48
               Reply Your major omission is:, Valguarnera, 20-Jul-07 11:03 AM, #49
               Reply RE: Your major omission is:, Eskelian, 21-Jul-07 02:35 AM, #53
                    Reply RE: Your major omission is:, Daevryn, 21-Jul-07 08:24 AM, #56
                    Reply Taxes are fungible in practice., Valguarnera, 21-Jul-07 09:15 AM, #57
               Reply RE: US Citizen and their government, Zesam, 20-Jul-07 07:10 PM, #50
                    Reply RE: US Citizen and their government, Eskelian, 21-Jul-07 02:37 AM, #54
Reply There is no freedom in US, Dwoggurd, 17-Jul-07 10:19 PM, #2
Reply RE: There is no freedom in US, Isildur, 18-Jul-07 06:13 PM, #16
     Reply Can't you get one at any point?, Tac, 19-Jul-07 08:10 AM, #20
          Reply RE: Can't you get one at any point?, Isildur, 19-Jul-07 10:14 AM, #33
               Reply RE: Can't you get one at any point?, Eskelian, 19-Jul-07 10:20 AM, #34
Reply RE: Freedom in the USA., Khasotholas, 17-Jul-07 08:47 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Freedom in the USA., Eskelian, 17-Jul-07 10:47 PM, #3
          Reply RE: Freedom in the USA., Khasotholas, 18-Jul-07 06:36 AM, #4
               Reply RE: Freedom in the USA., Eskelian, 18-Jul-07 08:26 AM, #5
               Reply RE: Freedom in the USA., Tac, 18-Jul-07 09:00 AM, #6
                    Reply RE: Freedom in the USA., Khasotholas, 18-Jul-07 10:12 AM, #7
                    Reply RE: Freedom in the USA., Eskelian, 18-Jul-07 11:20 AM, #8
                    Reply Taxes pay for things you use., Valguarnera, 18-Jul-07 01:05 PM, #9
                    Reply RE: Taxes pay for things you use., Tac, 18-Jul-07 01:59 PM, #11
                    Reply RE: Collective responsibility, Valguarnera, 18-Jul-07 03:17 PM, #13
                    Reply RE: Collective responsibility, ORB, 18-Jul-07 04:48 PM, #14
                    Reply Wachowski logic., Eskelian, 19-Jul-07 09:53 AM, #30
                    Reply I liked Clinton., GinGa, 18-Jul-07 06:50 PM, #17
                    Reply RE: I liked Clinton., Trilo, 21-Jul-07 06:59 PM, #58
                         Reply Are you not satisfied with the America he left you?, DurNominator, 22-Jul-07 03:25 AM, #59
                         Reply You prefer the dyslexic idiot?, GinGa, 23-Jul-07 07:13 PM, #61
                    Reply RE: Collective responsibility, Tac, 19-Jul-07 08:42 AM, #21
                    Reply RE: Law Enforcement, Valguarnera, 19-Jul-07 10:12 AM, #32
                    Reply RE: Collective responsibility, Daevryn, 20-Jul-07 08:55 PM, #52
                    Reply RE: Collective responsibility, Eskelian, 19-Jul-07 09:45 AM, #29
                         Reply RE: Collective responsibility, Valguarnera, 19-Jul-07 10:22 AM, #35
                              Reply RE: Collective responsibility, Eskelian, 19-Jul-07 10:41 AM, #36
                                   Reply RE: Defense spending: Ayup, Valguarnera, 19-Jul-07 11:22 AM, #37
                                        Reply If we're going to talk about spending...., Tac, 19-Jul-07 01:43 PM, #41
                                        Reply RE: Defense spending: Ayup, Eskelian, 19-Jul-07 08:37 PM, #46
                    Reply RE: Taxes pay for things you use., vargal, 18-Jul-07 05:56 PM, #15
                    Reply RE: Taxes pay for things you use., Tac, 19-Jul-07 09:00 AM, #24
                    Reply RE: Taxes pay for things you use., Daevryn, 19-Jul-07 07:43 AM, #19
                         Reply RE: Taxes pay for things you use., Tac, 19-Jul-07 08:53 AM, #23
                    Reply RE: Taxes pay for things you use., Eskelian, 19-Jul-07 09:39 AM, #27
                         Reply RE: Taxes pay for things you use., Eskelian, 19-Jul-07 09:40 AM, #28
                    Reply Ron Paul, Khasotholas, 18-Jul-07 08:51 PM, #18
                         Reply RE: Ron Paul, Tac, 19-Jul-07 08:50 AM, #22
                         Reply RE: Ron Paul, Khasotholas, 19-Jul-07 11:54 AM, #39
                              Reply RE: Ron Paul, Tac, 19-Jul-07 01:32 PM, #40
                                   Reply Okay, one more, Khasotholas, 19-Jul-07 01:57 PM, #42
                                        Reply RE: Okay, one more, Tac, 19-Jul-07 02:41 PM, #43
                                             Reply Oh dear. You're serious?, Valguarnera, 19-Jul-07 03:47 PM #44
                                                  Reply I don't..., Tac, 19-Jul-07 03:59 PM, #45
                         Reply RE: Ron Paul, Eskelian, 19-Jul-07 09:56 AM, #31
                              Reply RE: Ron Paul, Khasotholas, 19-Jul-07 11:43 AM, #38
                              Reply RE: Ron Paul, Daevryn, 20-Jul-07 08:49 PM, #51
                                   Reply RE: Ron Paul, Eskelian, 21-Jul-07 02:39 AM, #55
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