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#34787, "This is why I hate Lichs."
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>On the one hand, when was the last time any paladin got three >virtues? Sure, you can say she roleplayed well (Duh) all you >like, but there have been if not better roleplayed, then just >as well roleplayed paladins more recently who got bupkis. >Audriel is a prime example. Roleplayed so well she caused a >resurgance in a dead religion, led the Fortress and became a >heroimm. She was nearly a hero before she even got her first >virtue, let alone two.
Why did Audriel only get one virtue? Mayby because she followed a dead religion, no IMM was watching her as much or something, but I agree she should of deserved 2.
>think a body count should be the only thing considered when >handing out extra powers. Really thats kind of silly don't you >think? "This person is already mowing down people left and >right. So, lets give them MORE power because...well because". >Lariya SHOULD have been a power house, considering how well >she knew the class, and how best to use the advantages it has >against other players in ANY situation. You can say "It >doesn't matter" but that level of knowledge clearly makes a >difference, and a third virtue may be seen as just overkill.
This is why I hate Lichs. "OK, this guy is a total badass, lets give him even more powers so he's even more unstoppable and if he overcomes the limitations that a Lich was, which a lot of elite guys can and did, let's give him some rituals so he's practically a demi-god who can wipe out his range solo and eventually deletes out of boredom."
Zorzual had, what, a 99% PK ratio? That's sick, thank God you don't see unbalanced, overpowered chars like him anymore.
>Meanwhile someone who is leading the Fortress, roleplaying her >ass off (well enough to heroimm) has none, or one virtue. When >you look at things from that perspective, do you blame people >for wanting some answers?
That is a good point.
>Now, on the other hand, I am by no means saying Lariya did not >deserve what she got. Lariya was a solid character, who stood >out for taking risks and always mixing it up. But what it >really boils down to is none of this matters. People are going >to look at the player, look at the suspicious seldom-given >third virtue, and have their minds made up before you even >answer. Frankly, I wouldn't even bother, because it's just >going to cause a huge round of nitpicking and bitching.
Noone bitched when Lochzan got three or those special powers, but he handicapped himself so much and died so often that it was more than balanced out.
I can't blame some people with wanting balance, that with 3 virtues, a leader weapon, maran powers, and a tat, Lariya turned from a excellent PKer, to an overpowered, unbalanced juggernaut. The sort of char where it's not even worth trying to fight since you know you're going to get 2-3 rounded, which isn't fun or challenging at all. Why should I spend 45 minutes getting good gear so I loose it if I blink at the wrong time?
Suggestion? Cap virtues at 2.
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(AUTO) [FORTRESS] Lariya the Ironhearted Bane of the Da...
[View all] , Death_Angel, Fri 04-Feb-05 01:28 PM
Random note:,
Valguarnera,
04-Feb-05 04:50 PM, #76
I just posted something on the other forums...,
Nightwiggler (Guest),
04-Feb-05 06:10 PM, #78
Oh just rub it in you jerk...,
dwimmerling,
05-Feb-05 01:15 AM, #79
Never thought of that! but you sure are right.,
Bajula,
05-Feb-05 10:04 AM, #83
Not disagreeing with you,
Kardok (Guest),
07-Feb-05 03:05 PM, #85
RE: Not disagreeing with you,
Aiekooso,
07-Feb-05 07:30 PM, #86
Hmm, yep.,
Nightgauntish (Guest),
07-Feb-05 07:44 PM, #87
RE: Hmm, yep.,
Aiekooso,
08-Feb-05 04:52 PM, #88
Well..,
Lariya (Guest),
04-Feb-05 07:01 AM, #72
RE: Well..,
Sgralnaoc (Guest),
04-Feb-05 02:12 PM, #73
I think we...,
Big_Strong (Guest),
04-Feb-05 02:49 PM, #74
Well I'm damn glad your gone,
Iborenn (Guest),
04-Feb-05 03:08 PM, #75
The only interection I ever had with Lariya...,
Nightwiggler (Guest),
04-Feb-05 06:04 PM, #77
RE: Well..,
Rom (Guest),
05-Feb-05 02:41 AM, #80
It was a pleasure.,
Urog. (Guest),
05-Feb-05 03:33 AM, #81
RE: Well..,
Jirash (Guest),
05-Feb-05 07:38 AM, #82
RE: Well..,
Goronik (Guest),
05-Feb-05 02:02 PM, #84
RE: (AUTO) [FORTRESS] Lariya the Ironhearted Bane of th...,
Blobqirt. (Guest),
01-Feb-05 09:15 PM, #51
Someone parrying her attacks when she was prepped.,
Log Request (Guest),
01-Feb-05 03:24 PM, #44
Just curious, but why does...,
Thief,
01-Feb-05 10:34 AM, #33
I'd say draw your own conclusions as the imms aren't go...,
Randomposter (Guest),
01-Feb-05 12:14 PM, #37
The Staff defend those who deserve it,
var gal (Guest),
01-Feb-05 02:25 PM, #42
thank you!,
shokai,
01-Feb-05 04:08 PM, #46
I'll add:,
Valguarnera,
01-Feb-05 05:20 PM, #47
I tend to agree.,
EskelianUnreg (Guest),
01-Feb-05 06:05 PM, #48
To clarify...,
EskelianUnreg (Guest),
01-Feb-05 06:09 PM, #49
RE: I tend to agree.,
Gunderg (Guest),
01-Feb-05 09:36 PM, #52
Sometimes I think I'm the only one who gets the Imm's s...,
var gal (Guest),
01-Feb-05 07:07 PM, #50
Public executions are all the rage! Dontcha know?,
Pro-man (Guest),
02-Feb-05 11:08 AM, #53
Honestly:,
Balrahd. (Guest),
02-Feb-05 12:57 PM, #54
RE: Honestly:,
Valguarnera,
02-Feb-05 01:21 PM, #55
Accept when...,
(NOT Pro),
02-Feb-05 08:38 PM, #60
Yeah yeah. except. i know. n/t,
Pro-man. (Guest),
02-Feb-05 08:44 PM, #61
And what's more.,
Pro-man (Guest),
02-Feb-05 08:58 PM, #62
RE: And what's more.,
Rom (Guest),
02-Feb-05 09:54 PM, #63
I was thinking SMUG was someone else.,
Pro-Man (Guest),
03-Feb-05 12:26 PM, #68
I didn't make my point clearly it seems.,
(NOT Pro),
02-Feb-05 08:31 PM, #58
Regarding "colour" and "honour",
Daurwin (Guest),
02-Feb-05 05:16 PM, #56
RE: Regarding,
Rom (Guest),
02-Feb-05 05:38 PM, #57
The Correct?,
(NOT Pro),
02-Feb-05 08:34 PM, #59
RE: The Correct?,
Rom (Guest),
02-Feb-05 10:28 PM, #64
That's bad spelling,
incognito,
03-Feb-05 06:56 AM, #66
Grhm. Yo shold say... nt,
DurNominator,
03-Feb-05 07:24 AM, #67
RE: The Correct.,
Mr. Diction (Guest),
02-Feb-05 10:30 PM, #65
Yep, Guilty!,
Vynmylak,
03-Feb-05 08:41 PM, #69
Its good to see you're still around.,
Der-exal (Guest),
03-Feb-05 09:40 PM, #70
Nice post, but...,
Koe (Guest),
04-Feb-05 04:27 AM, #71
Lariya log,
Old necro (Guest),
01-Feb-05 12:41 AM, #32
A Great Log,
Dupayne (Guest),
31-Jan-05 08:55 PM, #25
Request: RP logs,
Crummy rper (Guest),
31-Jan-05 01:53 PM, #8
Misinformation. n/t,
Grurk Muouk,
31-Jan-05 01:55 PM, #9
Asking for logs...,
Enbuergo1 (Guest),
31-Jan-05 02:20 PM, #10
He said that Lariya had like 4 virtues...,
var gal (Guest),
31-Jan-05 02:44 PM, #12
Lariya did have three or four virtues.,
Enbuergo1 (Guest),
31-Jan-05 02:51 PM, #13
???,
shokai,
31-Jan-05 04:49 PM, #16
Why are you getting defensive?,
Enbuergo1 (Guest),
31-Jan-05 05:13 PM, #17
I don't think he's so much defensive as annoyed at the ...,
Vladamir,
31-Jan-05 06:05 PM, #20
My request was to see logs.,
Enbuergo1 (Guest),
31-Jan-05 07:51 PM, #22
Firstly, I didn't put any words in your mouth.,
Vladamir,
31-Jan-05 09:40 PM, #27
Show me where I used the word 'demand'~,
Enbuergo1 (Guest),
31-Jan-05 10:25 PM, #28
A less inflamitory title than I originally wrote...,
Vladamir,
31-Jan-05 11:01 PM, #29
I think the problem is that there is an implied "undese...,
Theerkla,
01-Feb-05 11:16 AM, #35
If I sound overly aggressive,
Enbuergo,
01-Feb-05 01:14 PM, #41
Nuh uh buddy boy...,
Vladamir,
01-Feb-05 03:23 PM, #43
well..,
shokai,
31-Jan-05 08:03 PM, #23
RE: Why are you getting defensive?,
nepenthe,
31-Jan-05 09:15 PM, #26
My original response was to the 'misinfo' flag.,
Enbuergo1 (Guest),
31-Jan-05 11:34 PM, #30
The question itself had misinfo in it. nt,
Vladamir,
31-Jan-05 11:41 PM, #31
You realize nothing you can say is going to actually ch...,
Vladamir,
31-Jan-05 06:15 PM, #19
RE: You realize nothing you can say is going to actuall...,
shokai,
31-Jan-05 08:19 PM, #24
RE: You realize nothing you can say is going to actuall...,
Vladamir,
31-Jan-05 09:49 PM, #34
RE: You realize nothing you can say is going to actuall...,
Evil Genius (Anonymous),
01-Feb-05 12:37 PM, #38
This is why I hate Lichs.,
Random guy (Guest),
01-Feb-05 11:17 AM #36
I like when we have the occasional unstopable Bad-Azz.,
Pro-Man (Guest),
01-Feb-05 12:50 PM, #39
Seconded. nt,
Nivek1,
01-Feb-05 01:07 PM, #40
Just some problems here...,
Vladamir,
01-Feb-05 03:30 PM, #45
Well, not really....,
Pendragon (Guest),
10-Feb-05 03:05 PM, #89
Perhaps you could be less vague with your post Grurk?,
DurNominator,
31-Jan-05 02:40 PM, #11
Well for one thing she didn't have four virtues. nt,
Vladamir,
31-Jan-05 05:44 PM, #18
I'm pretty sure..,
Grurk Muouk,
31-Jan-05 03:30 PM, #14
I'll stick with him on that one and go as far as to say...,
Drag0nSt0rm,
31-Jan-05 04:10 PM, #15
Who cares? Just drop the whole thing, it doesn't matter...,
Eskelian,
31-Jan-05 06:40 PM, #21
RE: (AUTO) [FORTRESS] Lariya the Ironhearted Bane of th...,
thornheart,
31-Jan-05 10:10 AM, #7
Woo! The Demon elf is gone!,
Iborenn (Guest),
31-Jan-05 09:58 AM, #6
I stand in awe.,
Bajula,
30-Jan-05 10:23 PM, #5
Scarier than hell,
kas,
30-Jan-05 01:18 AM, #3
What it was like fighting Lariya.,
Mek (Guest),
29-Jan-05 09:34 PM, #2
What it was like fighting Lariya,
Rom (Guest),
30-Jan-05 03:16 AM, #4
A legend has fallen nt,
CF fan (Guest),
29-Jan-05 09:30 PM, #1
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