Elf pole landslide hth. Probably soul for hp or calming for saves.

Try to get the stunning charge edge. Pincer staff would be very useful as well.

Note that you asked "defeat". You didn't ask "seal a kill easily."

No invoker is easy to seal a kill against easily, short of a gang or having allied invoker shielding to get through their bash protection.

By "defeat", I mean I would (and have, in similar situations) be able to make the invoker in question decide to never really fight me, outside of huge odds on his side or cabal raiding (most frequently, retrieval on his part). For him, against a class that has the potential to permalag and will definitely outdamage/outlast, using up his ABS wands just won't be worth it. Esp. if I simply leave the field of combat the moment I'm a spell or two from death.

Now, if you were asking about "reliably kill", I'd go with a mace spec, probably dwarf or giant for lots of hp and no serious vulns, get myself the orb of water, use the command word, and bash him to death (probably be best to take Greeting as one of your legacy choices to take full advantage of this build). He'll use shield of waves to counter your cranialing, and your watershield will go right through.

Note that this will likely only work once (maybe) against a smart invoker, and after that he'll just use a non-cranial-proof protective shield.

Best way to go about it is to gang him. But as an Outlander naturally that will be tricky.

As I understand it gives an additional 200 hp.

Is that really significant? Seems to me that that's one extra round of combat.

On a dwarf? Meh. But my elf STSF/Soul char survived frequently with less than 200hp left (often finishing off the other guy, sometimes just managing to get out).

And yeaah, we're talking about diminishing returns.

Not that I hated having 1400hp or whatever.

I also had the gimpy flaw.

That character was all kinds of derp.

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does pole + cutoff just work really well for landslide?

If a mage can't recall they get one shot to escape and that might be cuttoff'ed.

it can extend trip lag to be like bash lag if the other guy is just trying to flee in that you can string together multiple lagging moves without them leaving the fight.

Ok well Huewop wasn't uncaballed, he was in outlander but I didn't have any abilities that would enhance my combat, i ran and hid for like 10 seconds but that was as far as the outlander powers took me, so essentially it was like doing it with no cabal powers. Also I had no dmg reduction preps what so ever cause I'm a boss like that. Not to mention Chrichuk was a scion invoker, and an extremely deadly one at that. It was a feat I'm sure of 5x the difficulty of Balete justs imply due to scion powers.

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Sure, Balete could make the same mistake or running and chasing until important shields fall. He could. But it is also possible that he wouldn't.

If invoker bothers you agressively - you can always use it and eventually mistakes will be made. It wasn't Chrichuk's own fault, this is what often happens when you face an opponent who knows how to use your dependance on many spells/communes and preps.

If he hadn't then he wouldn't have fallen.

It doesn't take much skills to hero invoker, find rods and good eq. And then make average PK's by killing people during raid situations or in the quicksand, while taking no risks at all doing it.
Though you can't even do it.

But it takes much more skills to take some risks and agressively hunt people everywhere everytime, sometimes giving them the illusion of you being weak. And even best players will die sometimes doing so. (That's why everybody with lots of pk wins always have a lot of pk deaths)
And this is what you don't even manage to realize yet.

Generally speaking, especially at hero, it's very hard to kill people who legitimately believe they have no chance at all to beat you.

This is why, for example, Gareth used to be fond of saying that as you develop as a player you learn preps, but a higher level than that is understanding when or what not to prep -- when, for example, letting someone trip you instead of flying will really work in your favor, or when using less DR will let someone think they're winning just long enough to die.

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It really doesn't.

What you're saying is the equivalent of seeing a guy get a concussion in a NFL game and saying, "He made a mistake playing that day." Well, from a long term health perspective, maybe, but the alternative is to not be in the game at all and you can't win that way.

A warrior doesn't have that option. Eventually something get's him.

Okay; I understand what you've said there and in my opinion you're incorrect.

Sword spec arial.
Make your hometown somewhere remote.
Take enigma as a legacy, take harmonious as the other(maybe greeting instead- and then bash people down maybe so you get a few pks yourself). If you see someone in PK on where that has the remotest chance of beating you, quaff teleport (just in case they camp your recall or something).
If you are attacked by anyone anywhere ever, q return;q teleport so that you don't even risk a failed flee or them finding you at your recall.
This build will probably never get perma lagged by one opponent, and has the hp to survive most burst damage onslaughts.
Now, just never go anywhere cursed or that you can not teleport or word from.
Farm gold and buy tons of healing supplies in case you need them.
That guy will probably have a net of 0 pk wins though, but he was unkillable so to speak. If he wants to get wins, he has to take risks. Invokers do to.

If an invoker is trying to get kills, he is going to risk dying same as anyone else, even against lone uncaballed warriors. It may not be easy with an uncaballed warrior, but it is certainly doable.

The thing is, most warrior builds are not built specifically just to fight invokers so they do not fare so well against them. If a guy wanted to do a warrior just to fight an invoker though, I think they could manage it far easier than you think by choosing the right race specs and legacies and prepping to the needed degree.

NT

With a rusty soon and a bottle of wax. yea top that.

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

That makes me a badass.

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Drove off Onya once or twice as Gurzgred with just squire powers as a lone dwarf staff spec.

Also killed a few scion vokers. At times solo, at times not. Sometimes with cabal powers, sometimes without.

Damn near almost killed Onya solo as a Maran(though I'm not sure Maran powers had much to do with it except make me immune to quicksand)

Get creative. No single character is unkillable. Any character can die to any other character on any given day, given some favorable scenarios.

I don't have any actives currently so I don't know how ramped up Cgadi or Balete are, but IIRC they're not Scion, and I doubt they're decked out in the suit that Onya had.

How was dwarf staff for ya?

Surprisingly good. Especially once spin got perfected.

I mean, I wasn't a god-tank by any stretch. But with dwarf hp and some good defenses? You're a pretty damn good tank.

Not to mention get some dwarf gear and get that damroll up and your pugils sting some. And I had fairly good success with impale.

Overall, dwarf staff is underrated in my opinion.

nt

Only because you posted to a thread apparently without reading what it was about.

Then you just made an empty statement.

You ask a question of people and then you ####ing say you don't believe them when they answer? You're such an asshole.

Also, note that you didn't ask if they could actually do it (though they could). You asked if they think they can. By definition their answers are correct, whatever they are. ####.

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1.)Yes.

- You can beat a strong a/b/s invoker with a non-rager warrior because with a strong knowledge of the invoker class, you see just how weak they can be against certain builds and in certain situations.

- The build I would do it with would be dwarf staff/spear/hand-to-hand, calming/soul. The build alone should be enough, but if you happen to get your hands on the eagle inscribed staff... game over.

2.) Yes.

- An elf warrior could do it. It would be a bit trickier with an elf, but if we're talking doing nothing but killing invokers here, then a build could be thought up. Maybe a pincerstaff/drive elf. Or Perhaps hand-to-hand/whip/flail/soul/calming. Either way, for the elf it's gonna come down to brain over brawn. However, with a strong knowledge of the invoker class, it could easily be done.

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Take calming and gear for saves. They won't be able to do much to you, at least not very fast. Then grab a mix of dam/lag and beat ass.

Killing them is a lot different than winning though

nt

aevar

Who, or what, is "Balete of Cgadi"?

But there are a lot of factors that have to go your way.

Something like, say duergar (resist magic) plus something calming gives you a very good chance to resist spell damage to a very high degree. Then I'd try probably whip + mace. I might go warcry legacy as well. I'd prep with at least enlarge + shield + aura and hope for knockouts or choke. It then becomes a game of keep them around and thinking they can win, while also keeping yourself alive through a few spells if you can't land knockout or choke when you need it. A very difficult balance to strike.

In the end, when you are both close to dying and they think the next spell they give off will kill you, you have to pray for RNG love, because you need to permalag with something that is at best very rare.

Thing is, if a well play invoker is just looking to get away, there isn't much you can do to stop them, so you have to entice them into staying and trying to kill you while also keeping the upper hand.

Of course I wouldn't be trying to kill some supped up invoker with an uncabaled warrior. I'd pick something that stacks up better if that was my goal. Elf warrior especially, since low hp means invoker nukes are going to hurt relatively more than something with higher HP.

Minotaur Pole/Hands Landslide/Incarnadine

Prep to the horns with DR and svs.

Wield pincer staff.

Now you have lag from Drive, staff progging, gore and Incarnadine progging.

Ideally you're going to drive them into a cursed area (good luck) but even if that's not an option you should give them a good run for their money.

You'll probably still die, but you're clearly dying anyway.

Kill is dicey and depends on a number of factors I won't dig into here. Run them off isn't too hard.

Pick a combination of specs like, say, axe/mace. Now you have a good lagging option no matter what shield they put up.

Gear for damage, save vs. spell, and maybe elemental resistances.

Race ideally should be something that doesn't have an elemental vulnerability you can't cover. Elf is semi-workable; storm would be better because its resistances/immunities are obnoxious to deal with as an invoker.

Understand you probably can't do this in crap gear.

Straight up, both prepared.. No non village warrior will
beat them. I think best bet maybe something like a kostyan build.

Highest chance is trying to catch them with their pants down
sort of speaking.. Like after they just fought/raided, or and the end
of their shielding timers, etc..

That being said a good invoker player keeps track of the timers on his
protections and will get the hell out of dodge.. Same as they will
flee and put up a different greater shield depending on what
weapons you are using.

But anyone can kill anyone else on any given day if catch them at
the right time. This is all situational..

If you have a hard on for them that much, go village berserker
axe and mace and hope for good spellbanes, and either pincer or
cranial depending on the greater shield.. Just my two cents

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