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Dwoggurd | Thu 27-Aug-09 12:19 PM |
Member since 20th Jan 2004
668 posts
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#26615, "Orcs warbanners"
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I heard horrible stories about orcs warbanners like you need to use people's gear (and destroy it process) to make a good warbanner.
Question to imms: - is this by design and encourages "looting" by destroying victim's gear. - it is an oversight left from ancient terrible times when full looting was common and expected each time you die.
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 Untrue.,
Grobbak,
27-Aug-09 02:13 PM, #5
  My guess,
Nightgaunt_,
27-Aug-09 02:17 PM, #6
   Or..,
Grobbak,
27-Aug-09 02:25 PM, #7
  My understanding,
Dwoggurd,
27-Aug-09 02:30 PM, #8
   Seconded,
incognito,
27-Aug-09 04:00 PM, #13
  I'm not sure what this log is supposed to mean..,
Java,
27-Aug-09 02:41 PM, #9
  Actually it is partially true,
Zulghinlour,
27-Aug-09 02:45 PM, #11
 Any chance we can make it NOT take containers?,
Java,
27-Aug-09 02:47 PM, #12
 We lied to you. I promise. NT,
Batman (Anonymous),
28-Aug-09 01:11 PM, #20
 RE: Orcs warbanners,
Susubienko,
27-Aug-09 12:24 PM, #1
 Eh,
Dwoggurd,
27-Aug-09 12:50 PM, #2
 RE: Orcs warbanners,
Isildur,
27-Aug-09 01:00 PM, #3
 RE: Orcs warbanners,
Isildur,
27-Aug-09 01:00 PM, #4
 Might as well address..,
Java,
27-Aug-09 02:42 PM, #10
  RE: Might as well address..,
Isildur,
27-Aug-09 04:06 PM, #14
 RE: Orcs warbanners,
Susubienko,
27-Aug-09 04:09 PM, #15
 Except it isn't taking an item. It's destroying it.,
Java,
27-Aug-09 04:22 PM, #16
 RE: Except it isn't taking an item. It's destroying it.,
Susubienko,
27-Aug-09 06:01 PM, #17
 Actually it makes very little sense...,
NMTW,
27-Aug-09 07:12 PM, #18
 Whereas,
Lokain,
27-Aug-09 08:34 PM, #19
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Grobbak | Thu 27-Aug-09 02:13 PM |
Member since 13th Jul 2009
174 posts
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#26620, "Untrue."
In response to Reply #0
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Bognok gathers together the blood and broken remains into a loose construct. Bognok rises from his morbid work, a bloody war banner in hand!
exa corpse Withered, leathery flesh clings tightly to the corpse of Rengorm. The corpse of Rengorm contains: (Noteworthy) a set of polished iron legplates (Noteworthy) a gleaming silver sword ( 2) an iron-studded collar ( 2) a spiked iron bracer ( 2) a pale white skull ring red-gold dragon boots red-gold dragon gauntlets (Noteworthy) a red-gold dragon skull ( 2) (Noteworthy) a Frostbrand sword ( 2) a mattock of tundra evergreen a metal canteen insulated in a wolves pelt a side of deer venison
G.
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Nightgaunt_ | Thu 27-Aug-09 02:17 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
188 posts
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#26621, "My guess"
In response to Reply #5
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Without any knowledge how it works is that the resulting corpse has a very short timer that makes it decay and thus destroying all eq? Might be something to fix.
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Grobbak | Thu 27-Aug-09 02:25 PM |
Member since 13th Jul 2009
174 posts
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#26622, "Or.."
In response to Reply #6
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An orc is just full looting and blaming war banner?
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Dwoggurd | Thu 27-Aug-09 02:30 PM |
Member since 20th Jan 2004
668 posts
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#26623, "My understanding"
In response to Reply #5
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When you make a warbanner from a corpse with eq some pieces disapper (eq used for the warbanner). From a log on a certain board it looked like weapons, bracers, leggings go away at warbanner creation.
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incognito | Thu 27-Aug-09 04:00 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
4495 posts
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#26629, "Seconded"
In response to Reply #8
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My experience was also that warbanner made bits of gear disappear.
I never ascertained whether or not the disappearing gear helped the warbanner, but my interpretation of helpfiles was that it probably was doing so.
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Zulghinlour | Thu 27-Aug-09 02:45 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#26626, "Actually it is partially true"
In response to Reply #5
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Gear does get used fashioning a war banner, and the strength of the war banner is based on that gear. It is by no means a full loot, I think it's 4-10 items, which may get revisited, but overall I'm fine with having a skill in the game that requires other people's gear. As with all the corpse-saving stuff I added to the game, there is still a skill or two that can completely destroy a corpse. So long, and thanks for all the fish!
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#26653, "We lied to you. I promise. NT"
In response to Reply #12
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We do clan Tellum dat X took it er warbanner broke it.
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Susubienko | Thu 27-Aug-09 12:24 PM |
Member since 10th Jun 2009
113 posts
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#26616, "RE: Orcs warbanners"
In response to Reply #0
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Looting is not bad, it's good, and necessary for the game.
Having a skill that requires the victor to take something from the loser is wonderful and you should stop complaining.
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Dwoggurd | Thu 27-Aug-09 12:50 PM |
Member since 20th Jan 2004
668 posts
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#26617, "Eh"
In response to Reply #1
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I'm not complaining because I'm not on the receiving side (nor I plan to be). However, people complain to me. So it is more like: should I feel guilty about looting/full-looting someone or I can go ahead and ignore imms comments about me being "a full looting douche" because it's actually how they design things.
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Susubienko | Thu 27-Aug-09 04:09 PM |
Member since 10th Jun 2009
113 posts
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#26631, "RE: Orcs warbanners"
In response to Reply #3
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Actually, it's entirely consistent. You're talking about dragons, npcs, not destroying gear. That's one thing (and good, I agree).
This is about a pc, not an npc, and it's taking an item after the victim's already lost the pk. Entirely different.
This encourages good roleplay.
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Susubienko | Thu 27-Aug-09 06:01 PM |
Member since 10th Jun 2009
113 posts
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#26633, "RE: Except it isn't taking an item. It's destroying it."
In response to Reply #16
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It is to the dead guy. Taken or destroyed, either way, he doesn't have it.
The point is that it's the player doing it here, not a mob. And it makes perfect sense.
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NMTW | Thu 27-Aug-09 07:12 PM |
Member since 09th May 2007
84 posts
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#26635, "Actually it makes very little sense..."
In response to Reply #17
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There's nothing about the idea of a warbanner that screams that it has to contain the (often quite generic) items the foe is wearing. Why as a dwarf am I more scared by seeing some adamantite bracers on a warbanner than if they weren't there? It's retarded.
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