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RobDarkenWed 27-Aug-08 06:07 PM
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#22202, "Was the alligator intended to be this strong?"
Edited on Wed 27-Aug-08 06:09 PM

          

Here a couple snippets from Gulkra logs:

<702hp 462m 728mv 20861tnl (-19.21%)>
cb How goin' Drillmistress?
Gulkra: How goin' Drillmistress?

<740hp 462m 799mv 20861tnl (-19.21%)>
Inger: Had bit of headache. Better now
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by a massive alligator!'
A massive alligator's bite >>> ANNIHILATES <<< you!
That really did HURT!
A massive alligator's bite === OBLITERATES === you!
That really did HURT!
A massive alligator's bite === OBLITERATES === you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
A massive alligator's bite *** DEVASTATES *** you!
You have been KILLED!!

Another one.
<812hp 345m 823mv 20861tnl (-19.21%)> You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by a massive alligator!'
A massive alligator's bite MANGLES you!
A massive alligator's bite MANGLES you!
A massive alligator's bite bounces harmlessly off of your stony hide.
A massive alligator's bite MANGLES you!
A massive alligator's bite MANGLES you!
A massive alligator's bite MANGLES you!
Your crushing force mauls a massive alligator.
A massive alligator has some small but disgusting cuts.

I assume that is that is through resist and stoneskin. And look at the damage it takes. Mauls?
Whoever coded this thinking it was balanced is on crack.

  
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Reply It is not stupidly strong and has no lagging on land so..., Abernyte, 28-Aug-08 06:25 AM, #9
Reply Because being a slow-moving wall of damage is soooo bal..., Scrimbul, 28-Aug-08 10:03 AM, #10
     Reply All I know is that with my fire ranger I easily, Abernyte, 30-Aug-08 04:26 PM, #11
Reply No offense to Gulkra...but the form is not overpowered...., Lightmage, 27-Aug-08 11:06 PM, #8
Reply Well, it'll sure kick villager ass, Vortex Magus, 27-Aug-08 06:19 PM, #1
     Reply The same could be said for ANY shifter, ever., Java, 27-Aug-08 08:40 PM, #2
          Reply In fact..., Daevryn, 27-Aug-08 08:49 PM, #3
               Reply In that case.. ABS is overpowered., Java, 27-Aug-08 08:50 PM, #4
               Reply Reminds me of a land-based manta ray, Torak, 27-Aug-08 09:05 PM, #5
               Reply Well, I'll qualify that:, Daevryn, 27-Aug-08 09:07 PM, #6
                    Reply Sort of a footnote here, Drag0nSt0rm, 27-Aug-08 10:46 PM, #7

AbernyteThu 28-Aug-08 06:25 AM
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#22211, "It is not stupidly strong and has no lagging on land so..."
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ScrimbulThu 28-Aug-08 10:03 AM
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#22212, "Because being a slow-moving wall of damage is soooo bal..."
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Well actually it probably isn't during raids but it is during normal pk. Alligator isn't exactly going to be in on every gang even with air forms.

  
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AbernyteSat 30-Aug-08 04:26 PM
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#22277, "All I know is that with my fire ranger I easily"
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and I mean easily bested an a/b/s alligator. Gulkra was just a bad match-up for said form. Like lions were for my thief.

-----Abernyte

  
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LightmageWed 27-Aug-08 11:06 PM
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#22210, "No offense to Gulkra...but the form is not overpowered...."
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n/t

Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man.

  
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Vortex MagusWed 27-Aug-08 06:19 PM
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#22203, "Well, it'll sure kick villager ass"
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On the other hand...

hold barrier; zap self

c sleep alli;flee; c sleep alli

Once its slept, its game over.

  
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JavaWed 27-Aug-08 08:40 PM
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#22204, "The same could be said for ANY shifter, ever."
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That doesn't mean there has never been an overpowered form. Obviously, there has. And they have been toned down in the past.

The Alligator is a beast. Retarded damage, great dam redux, and even regen.

What's it's weakness? Sleep/forget? Yawn. I'm not saying it's unbeatable in a 1 on 1 fight, but it's pretty close to it.

  
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DaevrynWed 27-Aug-08 08:49 PM
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#22205, "In fact..."
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Alligator has no damage reduction.

  
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JavaWed 27-Aug-08 08:50 PM
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#22206, "In that case.. ABS is overpowered."
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Not really.. but still. Damn.

  
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TorakWed 27-Aug-08 09:05 PM
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#22207, "Reminds me of a land-based manta ray"
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 Edited on Wed 27-Aug-08 09:05 PM

          

and not the new one, which apparently is pretty bad (I haven't played a neo shifter, couldn't tell you).

  
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DaevrynWed 27-Aug-08 09:07 PM
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#22208, "Well, I'll qualify that:"
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It has no generalized damage reduction, but it does resist a couple types (and is vulnerable to a third).

So situationally that could make it seem like it has better DR.

  
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Drag0nSt0rmWed 27-Aug-08 10:46 PM
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#22209, "Sort of a footnote here"
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Why not simply add a basic sort of helpfile template for damage reduxes/vulns for shifters.

Sort of
Generally, reptilian shapes are resistant to heat and slash
But take alot of damage from cold.

Nothing really specific, just a little shove in the right direction of thinking when dealing with shapeforms.
I have known for a while certain forms have certain vulns etc etc, just not common knowledge at ALL.

  
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