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JMCCFri 15-Aug-08 10:43 AM
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#22033, "Suggestion re: Dex Change"


          

So I have noticed that people with high dex tend to go dagger. Besides Igbah, who was outfitted with awesome eq, most people with low-mid dex don't seem to have that good of a chance of beating out the dagger dex-monger.

I suggest changing parry so that it compares how heavy your weapon is as opposed to the enemy. By no amount should an elf wielding a dagger be able to parry a fire giant swining heavy axes easily.

This way, although dex helps dodge, str + weapon weight would help parry.

Thoughts?

  

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Reply Further:, Daevryn, 15-Aug-08 10:56 AM, #2
Reply RE: Further:, Xanthrailles, 15-Aug-08 11:16 AM, #3
     Reply RE: Further:, Daevryn, 15-Aug-08 01:19 PM, #4
          Reply RE: Further:, Torak, 15-Aug-08 02:25 PM, #5
               Reply Parry is largely strength-based. (n/t), Twist, 15-Aug-08 08:46 PM, #6
               Reply I understand that..., Torak, 15-Aug-08 09:30 PM, #7
               Reply RE: Further:, Daevryn, 15-Aug-08 10:36 PM, #8
Reply RE: Suggestion re: Dex Change, Daevryn, 15-Aug-08 10:53 AM, #1

DaevrynFri 15-Aug-08 10:56 AM
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#22035, "Further:"
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Depending on the circumstances of comparitive damage/hp/DR/etc., parrying less is potentially advantageous to a dagger warrior -- you need to dodge to concealed, and parry is checked before dodge. If you hypothetically reduce the dagger warrior's chance to parry to zero, he'll get hit more -- but he'll also deal more unblockable hits in return.

  

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XanthraillesFri 15-Aug-08 11:16 AM
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#22036, "RE: Further:"
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Then how about having concealed come from parry rather than dodge.

  

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DaevrynFri 15-Aug-08 01:19 PM
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#22039, "RE: Further:"
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That would

A) Power dagger down considerably, which I'm not convinced it needs and
B) Make it work much less intuitively -- for example, giants would probably be the best dagger specs

  

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TorakFri 15-Aug-08 02:25 PM
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#22041, "RE: Further:"
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>B) Make it work much less intuitively -- for example, giants
>would probably be the best dagger specs

Think that might be taking it a bit far, considering that I believe it is dexterity that let's you land a lot of the other skills. I could be wrong on this but highly doubt changing concealed to parry would cause an overrun of dagger specialists - they'd still get destroyed by most dexterity-based warriors.

  

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TwistFri 15-Aug-08 08:46 PM
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#22043, "Parry is largely strength-based. (n/t)"
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TorakFri 15-Aug-08 09:30 PM
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#22044, "I understand that..."
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...just stating that if concealed was parry-based, giants necessarily wouldn't be the best dagger specs. Maybe the best warriors for concealed, but not the entire spec.

  

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DaevrynFri 15-Aug-08 10:36 PM
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#22045, "RE: Further:"
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Hey, you're welcome to your opinion. It's not like I don't have a pretty good idea of how the other dagger skills work.

We'll probably never know for sure how it would play, because I don't see this change being made.

  

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DaevrynFri 15-Aug-08 10:53 AM
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#22034, "RE: Suggestion re: Dex Change"
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Daggers are already terrible weapons to parry with. Yes, even for the high dex elf dagger fighting the fire axe.

  

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