If you don't actually know these people, which I'm guessing you don't because you didn't just send this to their non-CF email account, how is it any of your ####ing business? Like, at all?

I would suggest you try to refocus your efforts in a more positive manner and be less egocentric, but since I don't have any idea who you are you'll probably think it's a pretty hollow gesture from another idiot internet douchnozzle...

Oh, wait, you probably don't want life advice from some random asshat on a web forum, do you?

Ow! My ovaries!

Srs talk, I haven't seen anything that bitchy in a long while. I'm sort of in awe right now.

To be entirely honest I have a clue what y'all are arguing about. I not going to talk like I'm some kind of elitist that has the "I'M THE ****" attitude. Most of my characters generally always seem to garner very little attention, I hardly get my last name on most of them. I've never been rewarded anything other than general IMMXP for role entries and never won a RP contest.... or been a runner up for that matter Even through all this I am still here. I've never even taken a "F THAT!" rage quit break.

This place is my virtual home. I probably have sank over a year if not more (which it's likely a WHOLE lot more) of actual time into this place. I piss and moan, more often than I probably should about this or that, but the fact remains that I STILL LOVE IT HERE. Y'all have pretty much been my adoptive family without even knowing it. This place is the rock that helped me escape the depression of losing the majority of my real family.

With that said....The amount of work y'all put into this place is staggering. I don't even pretend to comprehend the efforts of all of you combined. Don't devolve into a mass of gibbering children pointing fingers at one another eh? We've been having it hard enough lately with a slippery slope of the declining playerbase, but each coin has two sides. If there is in fact effectual so called "CHEATERS" it's not too late to let it go and stop. I know some of you rarely play mortals because of not wanting to even be accused, but you all enrich this world of CF in your own way and to lose any of you would mostly likely leave a void that would not be able to be filled with any amount of toil.

This is just my view on things, so .... FLAME ON NOOBS!

Do you set a last name via the lastname command? Imms will not dig around in your role, in general, to figure out what your last name is and custom string it for you unless there's a SERIOUS reason to do so. We're more likely to look at "who haslastname set" and award it from there.

Usually lastname is something we give out for having a role, being cabaled, generally being a part of any religion, etc. If getting last name is a goal you have, consider doing any of these things. Also consider making sure that your name is original and not inappropriate or generally what one might describe as "lame." You know, rolling a frost giant and picking last name "Frosty". Or Frostmostthings.

A frost giant with a first name Frosty and last name The'Snowman?

Sounds like an opening up of a frost slot! DENIED!

nt

Generally that is actually one of the first things I've always done after writing my desc (I try to work hard on them the most) and is usually the first thing I do before moving through the mud school. Don't get me wrong there has been four or five over my years I've succeeded namage with, but generally nah nothing, but then again Im pretty nano second attentive sometimes and many of my characters dont stick out for more then a hundred and fifty hours or so. It's something that I consider mostly my fault because the way the cabals mostly are I've no interest in becoming seriously involved and have Joe Smoe #1 or Babba Ganoosh #2 shouting about whose who not promptly being there to defend or constantly attempt raids. It's just something thats not my cup of tea in a general since. But my most current character (my neutral conjurer just irritates me so he'll probably not be around for long) I am actually attempting to try to round about my PK abilities (Nearly Zero in exsistance heh) and try to accomplish some kind of dreamy feel happy goodness for myself. As for religion its something I've not been to apt to try either for reasons unknown to even myself Maybe I'll give it go with my strength sphere fella or wait and try the next.

I appreciate the info very much. Thanks for the little blips that make me feel a bit not so much like just another lonely fly on the wall.

Who knows maybe one day I'll actually try playing a lightwalker!

FLAME ON NOOBS!

Theannian (elf outlander healer) got lastnamed at 121 hours, Frearrir (felar outlander shifter) got lastnamed at 195 hours (lastname also explained in role) and Endalion (Fort elf voker) at 230 hours (Positive Imm comments about good RP).

You should have good RP and interact with people often (otherwise the RP won't show) if you want a last name. Being caballed helps as well when it comes to getting lastnamed faster.

So, above we had Theannian (caballed+religious+written role, 125 hours), Frearrir (caballed+written role, 195 hours) and Endalion (applicant at the time, 230 hours).

On that note it amuses me very much that the first frost giant I've seen with a lastname is "Frostbeard."

FLAME ON NOOBS!

It's a cool last name for Frost giant.

It's really heart warming to see you all come together and support the efforts of your friends. I had expected that, and certainly you don't disappoint.

I'll address a few points, I guess, but I find this doublespeak difficult, and I think I'll leave it alone after. I didn't come here to try to change anything, just to speak a piece.

Basically, yes, there _is_ an issue I have with an immortal, that stems from things that I am not at liberty to be specific about. So, lets just leave it that the rumors that have come to my ears of abuse of immortal powers that fit more with schoolyard bullying rather than some paltry IP checking empowerment gripe. If they're true, it's troubling for anyone who wants to see this game expand, rather than contract.

You're all very quick to not only support the efforts that have been expended to develop the game, but the free time you sacrifice, all for the benefit of ungrateful bastards like myself. The thing is, you're all (and by this I mean immortals) rather too quick to get quite so vitriolic, quite so tough imm forum soldier on me. Rather than make me laugh off the notion that adults (and yes, I realize we're all in our 30's now, at least) would really behave in such a childish way, it really has sent a bit of a shiver down my spine at the prospect that not only can it happen, it's being enabled. This will never be confirmed or denied, of course, and things will lurch along as they have.

As I reread some of these angry responses about how ungrateful I am and about how stupid I must be, I can't help but laugh. Though rarely stated, I have always been very impressed by Carrion Fields, and the work that was put into it; before, now, and forever. However, my appreciation of it, and of your _work_ does not preclude my support of my friends first in regards to fair play in any arena, even your 'hobby', and I don't consider that stupid.

Lastly, to address a few specifics:

Whys: you seem like a decent guy, and if my posts seem aimed to hurt purely for the sake of that, then that's a poor show of posts on my part. Sorry.

Enlilth: And you're supposed to be the fun guy! But seriously, given what I've heard, your reactions were perhaps most expected. I've had inside glimpses of the immortal staff for years (1997 onwards), but I copied your text down and saved it in my 'mud' file for further perusal. Deep breaths, man.

Thror: I didn't really come to your 'policed' forums (thanks for clearing that up, sorry you didn't have a stronger opener) to get into a 'e-peen' contest with you. So I won't, though I must say that if this forum is policed, your role here reminded me of the guy with the pepper spray at UC Davis. Way to school me on proper netiquette. Quick question: which fraternity did you join in college?

I've wasted enough of your precious hobby time. I'll go back to hanging out with the unofficial crowd. Don't stop doing it if it's what makes you happy, but please stop doing it if its actually an affront to common decency though.

Satchmo

Ow! My ovaries!

In all fairness, I was holding back. I was, have been and can be far more brutal than I have come off here.

Primarily because this is not my forum and perhaps Baer/Daev are letting you exercise your right to stupidity.

Or maybe I just want to keep from making a man in his 30's break down and cry. To put it bluntly, you'd lose.

Regardless, I have more interesting people to interact with.

Cheers.

There's very little I can say that will paint this in a funnier light than you're already doing. I was here with a serious question, albeit one I opened on in a poor way.

You're being such an internet tough guy, I can't even imagine the real you. Thanks for being such a paragon of CF etiquette and honesty. I understand that playing by the rules is a big thing for you.

TTYL, bro.

Ow! My ovaries!

TTYL? I've got a niece that uses acronyms like that. How cute.

I'm not really trying to be an internet tough guy. I'm bright enough to know that you don't live just down the street for me to belittle. Nor would your ovaries have dropped enough to have you ever buck up to Nep, Baer or me on a neighborhood sidewalk. So there's really no point trying to put up that type of persona.

I can however, tell you exactly how I feel about your stupidity, which is what I've done here.

Your assessment of the staff is a poor one. This is consistently justified by your insecurities about immortal 'cheating' and by assuming people would want to 'act tough' in order to make a point to someone as dense as you.


Why so defensive 'bro'?

You can keep posting if you want. I thought the interesting people needed you.

Cheers, bro.

Ow! My ovaries!

I took a moment to pay attention to the kid that clearly needs some friends.

Why so serious bro?

I was hoping to read some harsh stuff.

I think everyone just needs to drink a nice glass of warm milk and take a nap.

and even I think you're being a bratty little girl.









okay, maybe a teenage girl.

>It's really heart warming to see you all come together and
>support the efforts of your friends. I had expected that, and
>certainly you don't disappoint.


Well I am not friends with anyone and I think you are being a ####head too. Have any thoughts on that?

I'm okay with that.

Ow! My ovaries!

>Basically, yes, there _is_ an issue I have with an immortal,
>that stems from things that I am not at liberty to be specific
>about. So, lets just leave it that the rumors that have come
>to my ears of abuse of immortal powers that fit more with
>schoolyard bullying rather than some paltry IP checking
>empowerment gripe.

This whole "I'm sure there's something dirty going on, and I don't have any proof of that and I'm not even going to say what it is, but let's get some rumors started!" pose is childish as ####.

If you have evidence against a certain imm, spell it out.

Personally I know that the imm who wrote the area west of the Basilica leaked the items within it prior to the area going in (probably because they were excited about their creation) but other than that I have not evidence re breaches,

I could go off about how much of a silly sod you are being, but I think I'm just going to suggest this trollpost be locked and be done with it.

To all Imms: You are fantastic. The time you put in IS appreciated, and it is only the small but vocal minority who suggest otherwise. Most of your playerbase is too busy off ENJOYING the game to properly thank you, so on behalf of the quiet folks, keep up the bloody good work!

I won't go off like Enlilth did, but posts like this make me sad.

Most of what goes on behind the scenes is transparent to the majority of people. Baer and Daev both put their heart and soul into CF and devote a massive amount of time to this game. CF very likely wouldn't be around without the work of these two people. It is sad how much crap they have to put up with. They're human, people; all of this sad drama does nothing but hurt. Please stop.

I would like to give a public thanks for all the time and devotion that everyone puts into Carrion Fields to make it better. Thanks.

"W"

You stupid asshole. You don't even want to imagine what this game would be like without these two. The implications that these two are ruining the game are just stupid.

Here's the view from level 56.
Zulg - codes pushes a lot of the code through, around a lot. Catches #### because you can't find wands.
Daev - codes in his free time. picks up a lot of prog requests, and is mentoring new people to help code. Rarely actually on. Catches #### because you can't find wands.
Scar - codes what interests him, around when his life allows it.
Twist - approves religions, areas, interacts and builds morts that blast your ass while you're giving Zulg and Daev #### about not being able to find your wands.

Baer - mentors people and gets areas pushed through the above three. Constant presence. Begs and pleads with people to help the area review process. Roleplays and empowers the newbie masses. Catches #### because she's tired of dealing with your bitch ass whining about some sort of twisted conspiracy theory 8 times a day. Works her ass off for mud stuff while people publicly refer to her as a cunt.

everyone else at Baer level or higher is around sporadically at best.
AFTER THAT

It's a wash between mentoring new heroimms, area reviews, and cabal administration. Most of us are well into our thirties. A lot of us have significant time investments that are not CF related in specific regards to family.

If you have such a big problem then take your toys and your mad skillz and move the #### on. These stupid ass posts on multiple forums that we empower and reward based on IP are ludicrous (MOST imms can't see this anyway). The rest demanding Baer and Daev step down are done without realizing that damn near anything new goes in goes through both of these people in the process. Your ass rewards their efforts by crying that they need to leave and other allegations that it must be Baer's time of the month. It's just stupid.

#### like this just pisses me clean the #### off.

PS You guys can delete if you want, or lock, or forum ban. I probably deserve it.

-- Try an Enlilth follower today! Enlilth, now with 40% more chewey caramel in every bite. --

>You stupid asshole.

haha I see you've taken to posting without fear like me. Its liberating isn't it? Probably worst thing of being an imm is you can't tell douchebag players off on the forums when you want.

Seriously. You're the man for this and everything else.

PS I can't find my wands you asshole

And decide who should leave:

A) Daev/Baer

B) Satchmo


Or, since we all know how that vote is likely to end anyway, we might just skip that and kick you out right now.

Hah new poll for the forum sidepage!! Who should we vote off the Island??

Corrlaan.

But, I said 'nt'

Ow! My ovaries!

You're being an idiot for coming here and encouraging that major contributors to this game leave. In fact, maybe you should look at the half-full glass and thank them for some of the amazing things the each of them have brought to the game.

Sometimes, opinions are better kept to yourself. I strongly suggest you follow that advice.

If you're wondering, yes, this post of yours pissed me off.

Sometime opinions are better kept to yourself. I strongly suggest you follow that advice.

This is a public forum. That was a public opinion. Sorry if it cheesed you off, but that can happen. You'll notice, if you care to look, that I don't really post on the offical forums much. I mostly came on-board (hah) to voice my opinion NOW, because I didn't like the opinions and 'tone' I was hearing from some of the staff. Not so much because I have a problem with it, in and of itself, but rather because I get annoyed when there seems to be a "we can, you can't" attitude in forum moderation. So that's what I saw, and it's what I'm responding to.

Now, how about you go cool off, and come back and try again. Cause if you keep being this abrasive, I hear you could get unwelcome here.

I'm posting with emphasis. You're an idiot, contributing nothing to this forum but a piss poor opinion.

You're also wrong about the fact that this is a public forum. It's a "Policed" forum, idiot.

I could care less about how 'often' you post. What you contributed in this post was worthless.

The two people in question have answered "countless times" requests about the wand system yet idiots (yes, I'm using this term liberally) like you seem to have thick skulls and lack the ability to comprehend something that a 6 year old with basic schooling can understand.

I'm perfectly fine with getting unwelcome here to smack you with a dose of reality. Common courtesy goes a long way. Why not try practicing it before someone else schools you on it.

NT

But I can tell you now, he won't get it. Then when he gets banned, he'll be offended.

But this post made me respect Thror about a thousand times more than I did previously.

This sort of honesty is refreshing.

But here I agree with Thror that was a really douchey post.

Now that said if it meant Nep/Baer would have more fun playing mortals well then I am all for that.

Remember people, this is a game. You are supposed to have fun. Making it into some life/death struggle for getting your way about a hobby is ridiculous.

I may not always agree with Daev/Baer but they've done so much for the MUD it would be a travesty if they quit.

>If Nep has visions of ending the game, and Baer is at the
>point where she thought about selling the game ( I know you
>were kidding, but it suggests you're thinking about some
>payment from your hobby) then maybe it's time for you both to
>go?

I'm largely not logging on much at this point, so in that sense I have removed myself as much as I'm willing to.

The important corallary to "I'd think about pulling the plug if it were just up to me" that it seems like everyone's missing is "but it's not just up to me, nor do I think it should be just up to me, so how I'm feeling is just what it is."

If it is player negativity that's getting to you, then you should quit both forums for a month. Perhaps reduce Immtime and play a mort during this period, without reading forums at all. I've tried this approach before at some time and it did help me enjoy the game more.

So, if you have a cool mort idea you would enjoy, then take a break from Immland and focus on that and get immersed. In any case, motivated and happy Nep is a big asset to the game. Chance of getting that back is worth even losing the stressed out Nep for a month.

In any case, I hope you can get the stress worked out of your system.

Daev,

I've been a fan of yours forever, I on behalf of all the people that play this game that arent douchebags would like to apologise. You have had one of the largest hands in creating this game and making it what it is today.

CF was a huge part of my life growing up and it got me through some real rough patches of depression, the ability to utterly immerse myself in this game I believe gave me the ability to continue on in some bad situations. Sometimes the only thing getting me through was the thoughts of getting home and logging in whatever character I had going.

I only briefly knew you on a personal level as Kirslamix when I became an AVA a number of years ago.

I would like to thank you Daevryn (and obviously the other IMMS), for doing the huge amount of things you do for this game. There will always be haters, but don't forget you have fans out there too.

Best regards,

Kirslamix, ilostmycoconut, Cody.

Truth be told, you're not my main issue. Young children will wear you down, btw. Good luck.

Ow! My ovaries!

A lot of us do appreciate your efforts, so if you are feeling burnout/unthanked just step away for a bit. Especially don't read any of the boards. I've gone 6-9 months off before and here I am right back again. Do know that you are appreciated though, even after I blew up at you after Mreash