Well it was fun. Kind of fun to make a healer maran and try something different. But after some point it strikes you back.... *blink at Vynmylak*

Farewell:

Vynmylak: thank you for the empowerment, induction and title. Not sure what was a deal after that and why you did not wish to talk to me anymore but well.. thats life...

Fortress: Many friends.. Many whom i did not like... But thats usual. If you will comment I will reply....


Empire: gang, gang, gang.. The only one who was kind of different was Dru... *tip*

Scions: who are you?

Outlanders: see scions and hey what do you really want?

Tribunal:

Ordrig keep it up - nice to know you are around even IC I really did not like your way.

Lochzan even paladin tribunal who never leaves city... I remember back like 4 years agow there were some evil paladins who did actualy fight and win... Cannot say same about you... All you was doing was keeping your hide.. but thats your choise ....

Too many friends and foes to remmember all - comment and I will reply.

Sherman AKA Karun AKA many others...

Well, it was fun there for a while when it was just me and you, ranking as best we could Our combo would have been interesting if we could have carried it out, but unfortunately, our times slipped away and we got seperated. Glad you liked the character. Who were some of your other characters? You reminded me of someone from long ago, with same speech and such. You play a lot about... 4-5 years ago? Think that was the time before paladins were divided up?

Kalidan, squire Conjurer.
And many many more.

I'm plaing since 1995 drop me e-mail if you wish sherman at numlib.com

I would suggest not flaming others in your farewell, if you happen to be unbelievably hypocritical, which you are. You ran to your guild and quit when the odds weren't in your favor. A lot. In fact, we actually changed something about your character, because of that. Hope you noticed. Oh, and dropping link when the odds were against you. Often. Now, normally I would never bring this up. But you happened to bring up ridiculous flames. So there you go.

Khas

If people seemed to have such a low opinion of Sherman, why was he given last-name? Or was that just something that seemed to crop up after he'd already gotten it?

There wasn't a generally low opinion of Sherman. He had his faults and his good parts, like nearly every character. The low opinion was of his post. Refer to Khaso's post below, about pot, kettle, black.

I didn't pray about it, but I noticed it.

From Zauttevre farewells:
"Sherman: Your group teleports behind centurions always got me by
surprise although I had to expect them. <i>My respects for playing against bad odds</i>."

I think you'll find he had many comments that were contrary to the one you made.

nt

n/t

You said "Empire: gang, gang, gang.. The only one who was kind of different was Dru... *tip*"

Drudental was a huge gangbanging, non roleplaying piece of ####. This really isn't a subject for debate, it's more a matter of public record. He's even come out and openly admitted he doesn't RP. You gave him props.

Therefore one person giving YOU props doesn't validate you as a worthwhile character, or really mean much of anything. You have, at last count, 7 individual people all of whom had a poor impression of you. Half of them were immortals. One person saying good things about you does not invalidate the multiple others who though ill of you, but you refuse to see this. You take this one positive opinion of your character, cram it firmly in your ears to shut out the many others telling you what you did wrong, and chant "la la la la la la la I was a good and worthwhile person, and darnit, people like me!" and thats just not the case.

You could choose to listen to what the many detractors are saying, and learn from it and make yourself a better player and a better next character. Instead, you want to clutch the one glowing comment about your character to yourself and use it to try to deflect all the criticism you recieved.

Thats lame.

I'm aware you had your good moments. In fact, in your farewell thread, I'd have mentioned those good moments, and nothing else, except for the fact that you flamed others. I don't like flames in general, but when the pot calls the kettle black, that truly upsets me.

Next time you post a farewell note, why not dwell on the good things you did, and the cool things others did. Flames really don't have a place here. It's a place to say goodbye to those that influenced your character, and that you perhaps influenced. And it's supposed to be pleasant.

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1) Don't make wild guesses at who plays who.

2) Sherman said he played Karun. No one has mentioned Gherian anywhere in this thread.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

nt

Sherman speaking russian to his ooc buddies IC.

I hate to say this but some of the things you did in character was just idiotic. I interacted with you with more than one character and it was still stupid in every way. Things like not listening to your cabal leaders or people who obviously fought better than you, being they were warriors and you were a healer. You didn't act like a healer, you acted like a warrior player playing a rejuvenate/sanctuary spamming warrior. Good luck anyway with whatever you have next.

>You didn't act like a healer, you acted like a warrior player >playing a rejuvenate/sanctuary spamming warrior.

I know and thats what I did not like about Sherman as well but thats what I was ordered to do at around 30 rank by Vynmylak and later when he inducted me to squires.

No, he ordered you not to gate and curse, which you tried to not do. We asked you to do it enough times to know that you wouldn't. The fact that you acted like a warrior who spammed rejuv/sanc took away from the fact that you were a healer. A healer is not a fighter, not in the sense you acted. A healer, while yes, can be very mean in a fight, should not have the sense/tactics/etc/etc so on and so forth. That was my biggest problem with you. You didn't seem to be healer like at all, you also didn't seem to follow directions.

quote from Vynmylak post here : "expectations I would have for you -- specifically the ability to hold your own and not gang"

Healer who "holds on your own" and does "not gang" does not acts as healer anymore but as warrior spamming rej/sanc exectly as you mentioned.

I wasn't going to reply, but given Khasatholas's response my comments pale by comparison.

Something about Sherman...I don't know...rubbed me the wrong way. Before Nhiala another char of mine interacted with you when you were in the teens. You were just past my pk and were healing mobs my group was fighting. Fine role-play for a healer, except for the trash talk. Alas, you disappeared for a while and I deleted so I never got the chance to give you your comeuppance. Suffice it to say you were on my "list of people to kill".

Then, as Nhiala, I got a weird vibe from you. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I think you were part of the group I mentioned in Gradaelus's goodbye. The group whose members started bickering about gear *before we even finished raiding*. And, like Khasatholas mentioned, often when times were tight you were either running around in Organia or would just void out.

Nothing about Sherman, from my mortal point of view, was bad enough to mention in character, but I got a "vibe" nonetheless. Make of that what you will. In any case, good luck on whatever you do next.

Space right now in the cabal is at a premium, and we don't have room for people like this character. I've known Sherman with three characters now, and got less impressed as things progressed.

With the first two characters I knew you with, I saw you logging out when faced with poor odds, dropping link at convenient times (for you) and really poor behavior all around for a Maran.

If you were more of a presence, and thus at least marginally useful, I would have considered keeping you around. By that same token, if you were not around much but a good strong (also read here marginally useful) healer when you were there, I would also have been more inclined to keep you.

I can't speak for Vynny Mac, but I wouldn't be surprised if all of this behavior had something to do with the cold shoulder you were sensing. Vyn is a popular god, and his time is pretty much at a premium. There are characters much more deserving of his time that have to stand in line to get the nod from the big guy. What did you ever do that was worthy of his attention?

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Thought long and hard before replying to this thread, but I believe everyone deserves a fair shake and feedback, especially if they ask for it. So here goes:

I was pretty shocked to see this little elf healer named "Sherman" stroll into my shrine. But, your initial interactions were not horrible, and the role pretty decent as being a combat medic. Looked like someone who was perhaps fairly new and trying. I'm a sucker for these, so what the hell -- gave ya a shot.

Next thing I know, you're seeking my tat (late 30s) and wanting to go Maran (hero ranks). We actually had a talks about this, and the expectations I would have for you -- specifically the ability to hold your own and not gang or be the gate/curse machine who then calls in for backup. You just didn't cut it. Then, my time becomes very limited. In the meantime, several things start happening -- dropping link, quitting out after fights, some other habits that aren't desirable -- and if I'd been around more, would merit unempowerment at best. By the time I got back, your frequency was sporadic at best. Several times, I nearly pulled the trigger, but I always hope that someone will pull their head out, and start making amends. Never did.

You're right, you did show for a few times when I was around -- if I was visible. Normally if that happens, my assumption is you've already moved to playing something else and happened to see me on "who". Got better things to do, bigger fish to fry than to interact with a sporadic follower who isn't seeming to make an effort to do things correctly -- especially if my time is limited.

I think trying "something different" is commendable. But, just because you try it, does not entitle one to reap the imagined rewards. You'd have to be examplary both in RP and mission -- you weren't and as noted, had very questionable game behaviors. I don't see myself ever promoting a healer in Maran simply because I've yet to see one that can cut it.

Sorry it didn't work out. Hope you try again and learn from some of the things noted within these threads.

-- Vyn

1) As of maran application I submited it about rank 20 and had several cobversation with Lariya and Jaegrudai and the only objection they had is that I was a healer and they asked me to seek divine. And first time I was able to cutch you up was when I was near the hero.
2) Healer IS a support class. It's not made for solo PK unless geared up with some kind of mob (which is in my eyes same as gang). The original role I had and which you apparently liked was to be healer of the marans. Be whereever they are and provide them any support they need. During our conversation you basicaly said thats it's not what I should do so I have tried to do more fighting on my own. I never used gate/cry tactick we talked about. But still healer is not made for solo PK. I did try my best sorry if i disapointed you.
3) Plaing against bad odds.. I did play against bad odds and most of my death came from sacrificing life either defending Fortress or someone of the Light even OOC I knew that I do not have a chance to get away alive. And look at guote from Zauttevre farewells I posted here.

1) As of maran application I submited it about rank 20 and had several cobversation with Lariya and Jaegrudai and the only objection they had is that I was a healer and they asked me to seek divine. And first time I was able to cutch you up was when I was near the hero.

First of all, this doesnt mean diddly, they cant see you all the time, they dont know what your doing. Its the imms who do. Do saying such and such thought I would make a good maran, and using it as a come back to an imm saying he didnt think you would, doesnt really make much sense. Imms know best, that is why they are no longer in pk, and are...well...imms.

Thats all im willing to say at this point

Regarding Lochzan: I remember back like 4 years agow there were some evil paladins who did actualy fight and win.

Please name these badass evil paladins. They weren't on CF.

Also, you could not carry Lochzan's jock strap. Please refrain from being so critical of other characters. It is especially galling in light of Sherman's considerable flaws, which Khasotholas covered better than I could.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

There was some lady S.. who originaly was follower of Bria I believe then turned to darkness.. I may be wrong but it was around a time when Kah was Emperor. I believe there were someone else whom I do not remmember that well.

The only one I remember from around then, was a female pally empowered by shok, turned by sacer. And she didn't kill a damn thing. In fact, she got smacked up and down the block by just about everyone after the death-marking.

Sherman was pretty cool when I was Lerrik
but then you recently were named seeker,
lots of vyn interaction, etc. were talking to
the fort people alot. So the rp was 'good'
but when i was glil i figured the guy who played
sherman back then passed the character over to
his little brother or something, Vyn was 'gone'
for a long time there maybe you got burned out
waiting, by 'gone' I mean you just didn't see him.

Now I'm not saying that is what you did, but that it
seemed like a whole different guy.
All the things you said about yourself in a good light
from my pov were true when I played Lerrik.
Entirely untrue as Glilanthis. Maybe you rp'd more
around lerrik because he was a seeker of the clarion
as well, I dunno. I figured i'd say something good
because I really liked you back when...

So here goes: What I saw early on means you CAN play
a rockin' character, so ignore the stuff in these posts
that emotionally anger you, then roll up another character
figure out how he/she is going to act, then play that same
person all the way to whatever end they hit - con,del,age.
Only change if you have ic reasons for 'personal growth'
or whatever. I'd suggest putting those changes into your
role but I can't say much there as I never do it either.
see you next timne around.