I forget why I had you #gagged before, but I did with a previous character. I want to say that I thought you were Rogue.

Something very odd about Wintin #gag and the afk command. If you have someone's tells gagged, the tells do not appear in AFK, even if the gag is removed. How can this be unless the client is interacting with the MUD? Wierd.

Anyway, I had come on some midnight dragon scales. Point in fact, I had JUST gotten them and thought to myself, what paladins do I know who are on that are high enough to cleanse this stuff. I could only think of Fzoarn.

Anyway, so forgeting that I had you gagged, I sent you a respectfull tell informing you that I walk out of Evermoon, and I'm heading to where ever when I notice you on WHO. Since your reply to me was long and the part that wrapped wasn't gagged, I realized my mistake and this is where the log takes off.

Last 25 communications

leanse is not wise Vallarius. That is selfish, and will taint your soul. You
need to destroy it immediately.
01-27 06:17> a stern shaman sentinel says: You arent allowed in there!
01-27 06:17> Princess Renee says: Oh, Im so excited to see you again, Maddie.
01-27 06:17> Princess Renee says: We have so much to talk about.
01-27 06:17> Princess Renee says: You should go wash up from your journey first.
01-27 06:10> Maddie the local beauty says: Oh, youre here from Renee?
Excellent, I shall love to see her.
01-27 06:07> Princess Renee says: Thank you! You will be rewarded greatly upon
your return.
01-27 06:07> Princess Renee says: I have a friend named Maddie. I met her in a
place called the Emerald Forest... I was hoping you could go there and escort
her back here to visit with me?
01-27 06:07> Princess Renee says: Excuse me, but can you help me with one last
thing?
01-27 06:06> Olgakar says: Thank you, take this. Its the least I can do.
01-27 06:06> Olgakar says: Oh, many thanks my friend.
01-27 06:05> Lord Vindor says: Oh, hello there. Are you here for Olgakar?
01-27 06:04> Olgakar says: Could you run and pick it up for me?
01-27 06:04> Olgakar says: A friend of mine, a clockmaker in Voralian City, is
repairing a favorite instrument of mine.
01-27 06:04> Olgakar says: Oh.. Hello there. Mayhap you could help me with
something?
01-27 06:04> a dwarven hunter says: Poor bastard.
01-27 06:04> an elven hunter says: ... he was a new knight, but had no left ear.
01-27 06:04> a tumbling jester says: Welcome to Aldevari!
01-27 06:04> a tumbling jester says: Welcome to Aldevari!
01-27 06:04> a tumbling jester says: Welcome to Aldevari!
01-27 06:04> a tumbling jester says: Welcome to Aldevari!
01-27 05:57> a city greeter says: Greetings, half-elf, and enjoy your time
within this splendid city!

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none>
The red in your vision disappears.

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none>
The cathedral bells chime six times, sounding a solemn vesper to mark evensong.

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> tell fz I'm sorry? I couldn't quite hear you I had my thoughts garbled. What did you say Sir?
#You tell Fzoarn 'I'm sorry?
I couldn't quite hear you I had my thoughts garbled. What did you say Sir?'

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> ungag *Fz*
#Ok. {Fzoarn says%1} is no longer gagged.
#Ok. {Fzoarn tells%1} is no longer gagged.
People near you:
(\/) Vallarius The Hall of Voralian Templars

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none>
Fzoarn tells you 'I was more than clear.'

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> repl Honestly. I had lost my wits.
You tell Fzoarn 'Honestly. I
had lost my wits.'

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> repl So I didn't hear.
You tell Fzoarn 'So I didn't
hear.'

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> repl I was wondering if yo
The anointing oils fade from a practice sword.

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> u could draw the darnkness from these armours so I might use them on my crusade.
You tell Fzoarn 'I was
wondering if you could draw the darnkness from these armours so I might use them
on my crusade.'

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none>
You are hungry.

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none>
Fzoarn tells you 'Firstly. I do not trust someone so young claiming to be waiting
for me, that has not even met me.'

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> repl You are dishonouring me sir. You are a Paladin of renown and have abili
Fzoarn tells you 'Secondly, carrying about tainted armors you have no means to
cleanse yourself is Selfish, and will taint your soul. You need to destroy them
immedately.'

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> ties beyond me. I had hoped to beseech your fav
You are hungry.
You feel less armored.

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> or.
You tell Fzoarn 'You are
dishonouring me sir. You are a Paladin of renown and have abilities beyond me. I
had hoped to beseech your favor.'

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> repl Sir. You have besmi
Fzoarn tells you 'You are dishonoring yourself, and are disrespeting me.'

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> rched my honor and I will have satisfaction.

Fzoarn tells you 'How dare you.'

<100%hp 100%m 100% 2691tnl PROTECTED civilized none> You tell Fzoarn 'Sir. You
have besmirched my honor and I will have satisfaction.'
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Now there is nothing to say you can't interpret the code that way, but you were a tool in the way you replied to me. I still can't recall who I gagged you with previously, but I assumed it was merrited so I gagged you again. Ironically I forgot again with another paladin character and had to ungag you again to get some armor cleansed. Which to your credit you did.


I'll remember this characters as one of the worst ever in a dozen+ years. For me at least.

Go make a better character.
Don't derail his thread

asdvca

Please adhere to the forum rules about attacking posters and trying to post constructively.

I posted why I had a grievance with him and that throws it out there for debate on whether or not a Paladin should behave in that manner.

I think that is constructive. I didn't post this back when it happened even though I wanted too.

Per your wishes, I'll refrain from further commentary on this.

And I believe I tried to tell you that you had no idea who I was, but you wouldn't listen to me.

The manner with which you conducted yourself toward my character reeked of self importance, and I responded to it in character. You responded with a gag.

Now that I know who you are I am not concerned in the slightest that you gagged me.

That said, in the log I saw on here Fzoarn was clearly being a douche.

I could have sworn I already posted this. Can't even imagine why it would get removed.

First, I would like to thank Marcatis. I have never played a character this long before in the
decade plus that I have been playing. I must have had like 22 edges with that character.
I think I may have said this IC as well but never have I been made to feel so uplifted, yet so
belittled at the same time. Figuring out whom I was within
my role while following you was truly a test of wit against myself. It's really a damn shame that
my all of my role chapters got wiped. For the masses that are wondering, I had about 10 chapters
worth of my role around the 160hr mark get wiped out. I also didn't have them saved on my computer.

At least 3 pages worth were soley dedicated to a re-written version that closely mirrored the
paladin code but catered to, in my vision, Marcatis. Considering the off-line time I had put in
to write a lot of these chapters and what not, I was pretty disappointed about it. Therefore I
decided to not add anything further aside from that very explaination. Yes, I had a nearly 400hr
hero paladin with 2 virtures and no role, I must have been doing something right.

This Paladin was rolled up right after I deleted Lindu because I really wanted to try out this class.
Lindu empowered by Iunna after about two days. Fzoarn got Marcatis loving after about 3 days. Similar
to my Lindu thread, write your role, note to your Imm, and RP, and adhere to the wizlist, you shoudn't
have an issue with empowerment, if you do, it's probably you. Maybe there's a special circumstance, but
most cases it's probably just you.


Now, I have a lot of very strong opinions, "opinions" mind you, and chances are that most of them will
be challenged by most of you. I will only be making this single post on the goodbye thread to say my piece
regarding a lot of characters and players that have had more than fair chances to say plenty about me. I'll
try to keep things as orderly as possible and address some of the things that seem to be the hot topics.

Ignore:

My request is that the Ignore command to work for notes as well as tells. If I ignore you, that doesn't mean
send me one liner notes. I am ignoring you because I don't want to communicate with you. From a RP aspect, a
Tribunal character, Paladin at that, really would have no desire what-so-ever to talk to a criminal for the sake
of shooting the breeze. When I am getting constant messages from "Someone" tells you: So how are the vegetables today?
while I am trying to conduct an investigation, or three different rangers are each calling me a coward while I am
standing in the prosimy waiting to summon one of them into a locked room, at the same time someone else is reporting
a crime, etc etc etc. I just don't have the time or patience for that. I also as a Tribunal Paladin character AND
player do not feel the need to explain to an Outlander why I am attacking you in the Weald when I have the fetish.
Yes Yindathos, this means you. There is no IC need for me to justify why you are my enemy. I could tell you just want
a chance to be wierd, and you should have been able to tell that I wasn't going to be your entertainment. Go up to a cop
on duty and see how long you can screw with before you get charged with obstruction of justice. This is why half the time
I ignored people after I determined I was through with a conversation. I had a duty to do, and wasting time with someone
while I needed to focus on watching my city was not optional. That, and I am not going to sit there and argue with somebody,
that wouldn't be prudent for a Paladin.

The simple thing for ignore, when you ignore someone, it works for notes, too. You can't unignore someone until you
log out. If you ignore someone for a third time, it should be permanent. Ignore does not hinder RP by any means. Ignore
is used to stop annoying people from being annoying. If I don't want to hear what you have to say through tells, then
come say it to my face. If you're in PK range, there's going to be risk involved. Simple. I reiterate, Tribunal isn't going
to sit there and listen to outlander ranger listen to himself speak anymore than the cop is going to pull over and listen
to a crack head talk the shadow people. They've got better things to do. Get over it.


Seriously though, Ignore should work for notes too. If I ignored you and you sent me notes, I usually just deleted your
notes, or unignored you to let you know I was deleting your notes so you would stop sending them.


Looting:

Usually, I didn't loot anything, even coins. I had a pretty sweet set for about three hundred hours straight. I never
carried more than two weapons until I got spiritual hammers, and that was only because I looked at those as divine
gifts and even then, I probably carried even less once I got defiance.

I full looted 2 people in 374 hours. One was an orc that tried to bash me down and died in his own spam while I was
investigating another Paladn that killed him in Galadon. While I am in the middle of tells and questioning he tried to
kill me with my protections down and died to guards/shield jab. The mere audasity of trying to kill me while I am about
to and did, warrant another Paladin, to me, felt like an ultimate offense and insult, so I totally looted your ass.

The other was svirf rager. This first time was when he was like lvl 16 for his fourth attack on someone in my city while
I was on duty. Being that he was low lvl and in crap gear I didn't think this was really a big hit for him, especially
being so PK hungry. Considering he took it to the other website and tried character assassinating me with logs, I made
a point to post every log I had showing his berserker breaking parity, attacking my Paladin guild, etc etc on the other
website as well. I think I full looted him about three times. Other than these two characters, I only ever looted weapons
and that was only criminals that were either out of town that I killed solo or were hardened criminals, or criminals I
killed in my jurisdiction. If you died at the Captain, I don't think I looted you, and if you had limited items that were
chaotic, I would sacrifice them, except for svirf rager. I attribute being such a d-bag to him for calling me Rogue in notes
and the OOC tells and all that cool behavior. Maybe it's just limited to me.

Paladin Code:

Now, there's a lot of interpretation here I think, and also a lot of assumption. Nothing seems more OOC to me
than for someone else's character to tell me how un-paladinly I am being. Seriously, that is as OOC to me as someone
saying DUDE what email omg plz kthx? I've passed out ignores for this kind of crap. Similar to an Outlander trying to
argue the nuances of Tribunal Law or something like that. Stick to your roleplay, and not your gameplay.

As I said earlier, I did have a very extensive code written out, however this "fair of speech" that I hear from the
hero paladin that had no virtues, Elanya? Maybe having table manners worked for you, but a paladin to me isn't Emily Post
with a two-handed sword, it's someone that is "Fair". I called a coin a coin, and I treated good people well, and bad
people like bad people. If you were a rebel, a criminal, you were given no quarter, no succor, only severe punishment.

It was very important to me that other Paladins weren't excessive, and I'll get to that later, I made a point to not carry
extra items, and always try to help out people that seemed trustworthy or new. I would give gold freely if asked and almost
always cleansed gear (I'll get to Pro in a bit, too) when asked. I even took an edge for this. Once I got my second virtue
also, I would make sure that any new paladins in the guild got one of my hammers to rank with since they were so dank. I
thought this was a really cool way to share the love, I never heard of these before and think it's cool that I can share
them. Hope I wasn't breaking any empowerment no-no's.

Respect was a HUGE issue with me also. Especially in death. I didn't take kindly to other people looting my kills, especially
kills that I had no intention of looting at all. I specifically remember a time I fragged an imperial duergar at the
Fortress, Liudan? and as soon as he dies, Jammenon rolls in the room and Get-all-coins from corpse, I swear dude if I wasn't
goodly, I would have attacked you right then and there. I was so pissed at you off screen. I'm glad you dropped his gold
after I yelled at you IC, I thought that, along with a lot of things I saw from the fortress IC was pretty damn ####ty.

I was kind to good hearted people, and stern where it was neccessary. I also felt I was ready to admit when I was wrong which
I did on multiple occassions to various types of people from newbie-ish characters on up to the Emperor of Empire.

I doled out warrants to the Emperor too, and also Paladins. I put equality and Fairness very high on my pedestal of
priorities with Fzoarn. People have to remember here that I was Sphere Judgment, and I saw the world subjectively. I based
my actions and everything I did moment to moment on how those around me were doing things and carrying themselves, and
continued to judge them accordingly for it.


Let's see...

Tribunal:

Mhag: One of Fzoarns early mentors, and also the guy that showed me the shrine. Our IC relationship was a really neat
dynamic and a dangerously treaded line too. Thanks so much for talking those templars into going for walks and forgetting
their cursed shields/swords on the ground. That stuff helped me out soooo much early on and I think we RP'd it beautifully.
I don't know any other way for a Paladin to come across that gear without breaking Role or Align. We got into some interesting
situations, IC you were a very important person in my character's life and I came real close attacking someone for saying
you were cowardly just out of defending your honor.

Naija: Fzoarns other early mentor. IC one of his more treasured mentors, I carried a good many pieces you gave me up into
the 374th hour of my character. You were very special to Fzoarn and I played that out often in game. Not sure why you became
such a jack ass on the other website towards me, but I liked you a lot more IC, OOC I really don't like you at all anymore
and the disease you spread through the forums isn't very helpful. I wish you try to be less negative, especially towards
active characters. You have a lot more potential yet you constantly lie with the dogs.

Yantha: So few words with so much to say. On the poor note, Your hours suck, I know I was around like, all the time, but
you really need to show some more presence. A big part of growing a cabal is being there to water it. That's the only negative
thing I can say about you. Your RP is awesome, your intrigue in Our Lord, is awesome, stick to it. (I could tell you were
really wanting some pointers but the best thing I can tell you is to just face the music and see for yourself) and on PK
you always always always make any situation better. Nothing but a fun time whenever we rolled around, I just wish I didn't
feel like you were observing me so much whenever we rolled around. I really tried to take on this priestly angle so that
we were more of companions, friends, and I couldn be more of your advisor or confident, rather than a subordinate, and I think
I was in a good start in that direction. Thanks for working with me, I was glad to make it to Provincial but after almost
400hrs and having my first loot, and all the negativity all over the boards everytime I look up on top of other things, I'm
done with playing CF for quite a while. As Neppy put it, this is my Best or at least my Best in a long time, so I'm good with
ending on that note.

Ianto: Heh, man we almost set up some really nasty traps a few times. I just am not built for group PK and am way to unpredictable
to really fight in groups. A lot of why I was so reluctant to group with you when I was fighting later on, plus as a Paladin
I didn't want to have to word on you, or watch you die to those nasty UNSPEAK ambushes that I could munch for breakfast. Still, we
had some good times, and sorry I didn't hero you before I took off, I really intended to. I know it can be such a pain to rank
a thief, especially one with ties so well defined. Good luck, they need it

Dijur: Hey, sorry about the CB outburst. Losing cool is one thing, and we all do it. Totally uncalled for on the CB
though admittedly, and that just spreads it into another entirely different and unrelated facet. That was so wrong
of me to do and I apologize for doing that. Especially as your cabal leader that had to be a ####ty moment. You looked
very promising and I meant everything I said post-interview. Keep it up.

Tryphen: I have mixed feelings about you. I like that you step up the inductions in while the provost isn't around,
and that you take such a thorough approach to interviewing. What I don't like is your fair weather gameplayer. There's
been a few times where you would log in, ten minutes later log out, while I'm busting my ass against odds to retrieve
or whatever is going on. Even if it's impossible odds and the only option is to try and survive, that's the point. Nothing
chaps me more than fair weather play. I even made a CB comment about it when I was the only one online when you did it one
time. Far as insubordination... Meh. After I made Provincial I outranked you by time in service I am pretty sure. I out-aged
you by a couple years very quickly, simply through play time. By the time I deleted I believe I was above you in seniority.
The same applicant we had an issue about, I personally rejected his pledge and this was supported by the Provost. I don't
understand why IC you wouldn't support this with 2 Magistrates speaking against him, instead you would undermine my opinion
on CB in front of other Magistrates and infront of the Pledge. Maybe I'm wrong here but that seemed like poor form. I removed
myself from the situation and apologized for it, I don't believe you followed up with it at all, either. Don't worry, I
did. However, aside from that one situation, I did like you. I thought it was pretty lame that svirf rager attacked you
during an interview because I looted his weapons, but you took it a lot better than I would have. You come across to me as
a more mind-bender player than a PK'r, and that's cool. You really put a lot of things into perspective for me and I think
you need to force yourself to be much more vocal. Not saying to do what I was starting or trying to do, but something.
Speak up!!

Adapys: You logged in for explore, and were provincial, other than that I really didn't see much of you. You've
got a leader position, Use it!!

Moqor: One of the few evils I vouched for. Kudos for not being buddy buddy with me IC, OOC I thought that was awesome,
IC I was going to possibly kick you out. Don't worry, that was strictly between us. Very nicely done for an evil/paladin
relationship. I really respect the way you worked that angle and from an OOC aspect I can appreciate it without going into
specifics regarding actives. Well done and good luck.

Thyndden: I was impressed from day one. You're next in line in my opinion, so don't prove me wrong. You are certainly
the Tribunal to fear right now from the Outlander perspective. Spend less time wand hunting/exploring and get more vocal.
Shapeshifters have this horrible disease of losing their vocal chords to awesome forms. Don't be that guy. Help your fellow
Shifter Tribunals out that need it.

Tybrin: Very enthusiastic, great motivation. Keep up on the library, and don't forget to Manacle first!! Hope you had
fun in Thar-Acacia, sorry I didn't get a chance to take you to a couple other places I meant to, but at least we got
you what you needed, right? Cool beans.


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Some Fortress: For those of you that may or may not know. There were a multitude of issues that arose in Fzoarns
life that caused him to decide to not travel with the Fortress. This occurred around the 100hr mark I believe, and
was put in the Role I think also before it got wiped. I would help them if needed, but I wouldn't group with anyone
in the Fortress while the current leadership existed. This was in large part to about five or six members and their
actions regarding abandoning groupmates, attacking goodly mobs, disrespect, law-breaking, paladin code, bloodthirsty behavior.

Arngrum: Dude. IC, I tried to make a point to let bygones be bygones and get over things with paladins. This is why
we could get along after we had disagreements. I will say this though, when I saw you have two studded bucklers, two defiances,
just a boat load of gear that you were saving for when your paladin buddies logged in, both IC and OOC this just pissed
me off. It's not like I was looking for defiance or even wanted it at the time. However in my warped view, you obviously
had way more than you needed, it should have been sac'd, left on the ground in the guild, or something. Carrying around that
much extra stuff is just wrong for a pally, I think. Granted, you passed me some stuff here and there, and that's cool,
but toting stuff to give to someone later like that, I just don't think I agree with that. I also don't agree with you give
Foratha weapons after I looted her weapons from us killing her. You claimed you didn't agree with breaking her will, but
maybe full looting is breaking will, I took 4-5 items of just whips/daggers which I gave to a city merchant that she can
use cabal powers top get back from over time. You a chaotic-evil dark-elf weapons that promptly went and killed a Magistrate.
I think you should have RP'd a bit more remorse about that than simply "I'm not gon'a break er'will" or whatever it was.
It's clear to me you know a lot of the ins and outs, and where the shiniest stuff is, but I think you should have put a
tighter belt on your RP restrictions in that reguard. I could also be totally off base here. Lastly, you told me when you
delete you would give me your sword IC. You didn't do that, and I felt a little cheated. A low level paladin whom I had been
helping out like I mentioned earlier in the top actually called me to the guild where you left all your stuff, and as a token
of appreciation for my help, let me have first pick on your stuff. THAT, is bad ass RP for a paladin. Well done Dorien!

When you got wanted the last time, and we fought it out for about a real life half-hour, that was cool. Good times.

Jammenon: Do you remember when we were ranking, and I rescued you from your angel that turned on you, twice? Do you
not remember me telling you not to conjure another one with me again because of that or I would leave? I didn't let
you conjure them with me anymore because of that while we ranked from then on out. You didn't even act like it was
a big deal. From a RP stand point, a good, a fortress goodie at that, I would expect a lot more reflection from someone
that just got a paladin in a fight with an angel because of his own magic. Instead, you would scry me, argue with me,
loot my kills, etc. I really started to dislike you. After you started using all caps in tells, I started ignoring you.

Vozmuir: I don't remember exactly why you started being such an ass to me IC. I think it was in Hamsah when I was getting
on to you for attacking someone in town, and I tried to talk to you about the Law and you ignored me about it. So I talked
to veneroth about that and he threatened to kill me if I ever raised my hand to the light or something to that affect. You
never really had anything to say to me after that which wasn't insulting or disrespectful. You would even attack guildguards
in cities I had no jurisdiction in, which had no one in the guild, just to spite me. Later, you approach me admitting you
lied to me about your involvement in a crime, and you want redemption. So what do you do, you just flat out ignore any
future inquiries of other crimes you're involved in. Great goody RP...I'm the disgraceful paladin, right?

Veneroth: A paladin who won't admit to a crime, but will freely blame me for his death when his warrant gets him killed.
Spitting on another paladin does not exemplify the code, either, Ever. That's all I have to say to you.

Tairnaeth: When I came to the Fortress for the criminal inside, I was of the impression I would be escorting him
back to Galadon. He changed his mind. I never attacked him, or anyone else in the area. You chose to
wither me, you chose to Rot me. In my opinion you should lose empowerment and be kicked from the cabal.
I also have never played Fortess so maybe rotting paladins at the Tara'Bal is like beserkers gangingin the ruins.

Vallinane: I don't have too much to say. I tried to help you out after Illanthos and I mended the rift I had with the
fortress. Get you the scrolls and what not. I would approach you with issues regarding other members since
I figured you for some form of leadership. Didn't interact with you too much.

Illanthos: Well, I know from this character and Lindu that you know quite a bit about the game. Honestly, only because
of Marcatis did I really make a point to start talking to you. I really got a smart-ass attitude from you when I was having
issues with the Fortress, and I could come to you about a problem I thought was pretty serious and within five minutes you
would want to sit and have a chat with me about something totally different. In a jaw drop I would just be dumbfounded and
turn you away to deal with what I thought was a more serious issue for you, IC of course. OOC I have no idea how you do it.
I know I personally sent you tons of people to deal with, counsel or talk to. Even with Bojack, I think you and I played
to spectrums for him of very different angles to help him with redemption. We were a lot alike, yet different by extreme.


Furdyk/Twist: Dude, you sounded like a human/forum poster in a dwarf suit. Firstly, thusly, so forth, an such. I think
I said something opinionated to you once about my not traveling with the Fortress in the guild one time and you started
unloading these Points on me. You had asked me something and were continuing to tell me things before I could even finish
answering you or something like that. I don't entirely remember the specifics but I do recall that I was getting the idea
you had a lot more to say than you wanted to hear. I probably just ignored you for that.

I know I missed a bunch but 374hrs is a long character for me, sorry

OUTLANDER:

I've played a lot of Outlanders, so I understand where you're powerful, where you're not, etc. People like Onya telling
me that I am being un-paladinly by waiting to snipe someone because I won't walk into the forest area, bleh. I thought I
spent a lot of hours online in camo myself, but geez, just a sour taste. Some of you guys would not give me a fight, EVER,
unless you were in groups of 3-5. Then have the nerve to talk ####, and wonder why I would ignore you all the time. Also,
when Outlanders are retrieving, why are Outlander Imms/Leaders not stepping up and reprimanding their members for resting
on the High Road? This is obviously an OOC mechanic to safely rest under City Protection while retrieving. Any of my Harbingers
or Nightreavers would have come down very harshly on outties for this. That being said, I think with my build and virtues,
I was a horrible match up for most outlanders. I could shrug off most ambushes if not counterstrikle them outright, most
of the time I couldn't be lagged, I knew a couple rooms in prosimy you can't flee from, and just all around gave everyone
a bad day. I can't blame you guys for ganging the #### out of me when you did, but considering I was the only people really
willing to bring you a fight or something to do with any regularity, it was rather uncalled for going out of your way to
end it. Have fun?

Nivaen, yes, I totally shieldbashed the hell out of you right before the 5 of you raided. That would have been the second
time I attacked someone in town. Meh, no one would believe you, and honestly I lost it in my prompt so I think I had a good
shot at playing it out if I was directly confronted about it by Marcatis. I think as an Outlander Akresius follower that
already said you wouldn't say anything about it, I had nothing to worry about it. The fact that you kept bringing it up
anyways to me, seemed very OOC though, your an outlander and you are that concerned that a Tribunal might have broken a LAW?
Seriously, stick to your RP and stop worrying about mine. Maybe if you weren't sending me so many tells from camo I might have
been more responsive, I just lost patience for you and decided to ignore you as soon as you logged on. I remember you started
sending me notes and I told you I was deleting your notes as soon as you sent them too, because I have no respect for what
you have to say. IC, this was exactly how I felt. OOC I don't feel nearly as oppositional, but if I am ignoring you, or
anyone else, don't write a note. I never did read them anyways.

Foratha: I didn't like you. You used the Galadon guild a lot, if I was my old Nightreaver and found out, I would totally boot
you for that, in a heart beat. You would be lucky if I didn't kill you too. That's ####, through and through. You spent
way too much time in Galadon talking smack to people. We had a couple decent fights, but honestly it's when certain prots
were down and I was just plum low on mana. Most of our interactions were you lashing me from behind a group, which is
understandable. Once I got you in your group, once I got you with Arngrum. Rarely you ever gave me a solo fight, rarely. Meh

Yindathos: I got you way too many times, so many that I was purposefully trying to not look for you. It really left a sour
taste for me though when you started demanding explainations for why I would kill you. Especially when we had the fetish
and you were in the next area to Galadon. Or that you would complain to Yantha I am ignoring you and you can't report a crime.
Seriously? wtf is that? You're going to asking me what kind of vegetables I like today and think I'm not going to ignore
you? Maybe that chaotic funny works for your cabal mates, but not for orderly characters. Not for mine. Don't get me wrong,
I've had plenty of Outties that would eat that right up, but Fzoarn is not the characters to sit and have a drink with
your druid. You are a rebel, you are the enemy. You harbor fugitives and further the destruction civilisation. No, I don't
want to talk to you.

There's more, but these ones stick out to me, the rest are either bleh, or I forgot entirely. Mostly bleh

Battle:

Things have definately changed. There's a multitude of logs I've posted that back in the day would have either gotten
people kicked out instantly, or had people taken to the circle instantly. Maybe it's lack of leadership, or just
generaly apathy, who knows.

Courage doesn't entail stepping out of the village, yelling coward, and running back into the village. Nor does it entail
eyejabbing and fleeing. Or does it entail knifing someone who's gushing while fighitng someone else. I don't understand why
vilage assassins spend half their life following me around when there are always mage classes in pk range on. I don't understand
why it's ok for villagers to break into non-mage guilds because they have a grievance. I don't understand why it's ok
for villagers to kill non-mage tribunals because of a grievance towards another non-mage tribunal. I also don't understand
why it's ok for these same villager/s to send OOC notes accusing the character of the player and not get denied. Meh

Lohakahn: I full looted you three times, and if you ever fell in Galadon in again, I had an alias set up to order
my lieutenants to get all corpse, release lieutants/call lieutentants, get all corpse/release, Just for you.

Djetmai: I think you stole a sword I held onto for about 250-300hrs, I lost it once and got it back. Had a lot of
sentimental value. You also hopped into a couple fights I didn't think you were going to get involved in. Because
of that I figured you just had an issue with me and if you approached me out of town, I would attack you on sight
simply because I knew you were about to move on my aggressively. OOC I thought you were just being a thief, and
that's cool, IC I had to protect myself, rightfully so. Nice char, tough for a thief. When I took the angels wing
edge, you started dropping weapons.

Iepnier: I dunno. At first I kinda liked you, but then I didn't. You talked about honor, but then you looted a sword
from my corpse (which you gave back) You gave me a fight and the only thing you did was spam critical hit. You "never"
gave me a fight again. Maybe if you would have kans'd it woulda went differently. You realise all my power was in my
shield? Trying to assassinate me while sparring with villagers in the arena was pretty jacked up. Bad politics. Between
counterstrike and divine insight, and templars vigilance, I don't think you would have "EVER" been able to assassinate
me. Ever. That was one of the last things on my mind.

Zasmos: You talked a lot of smack to me, but forget that I beat the crap out of you in the arena. You never gave me
much of a fight.

Salyeris: Another talker. You would talk smack to me for wording to heal my mana, but would flee 50 times a minute when
we fought. That's kind of the same thing. It was obvious to me you couldn't really fight at all, but for rp reasons didn't
want to just hot foot it, I get it. The flee every other round and burn off my mana is a good way to drag it out and get
me to just give up. Not very village'y in my opinion but then again, my opinion is admittedly very different that most
everyone else. At least I am entitled to it.

Atracius: Once I picked up the str/dex gear I needed, I gave up about 100hps doing it but yes, I had your number. The hard
part was trying to get you to a place I could finish you at but not put myself in a situation I couldn't get out of. I
remember you were just as active as I during the New Years (Still Sober Since December) so I know you have some highly
honed skills. I've been watching you for a while and really really wanted to close a warrant on you. Well done on several
occassions and you have my empathy for *expletive* stealing your glory.

Forget a few? Sorry

Empire:

Didn't interact with Empire really, at all. I think all of my kills against you guys just
happened to be because I noticed you around and said hey, evil! DIE!!

Eleagra: I think you're a fair weather player. Bash spam didn't work to well either, did it?

Liudan: You got fragged twice by me, and I kinda feel bad. Wrong place, wrong time. Sucks being
a duergar sometimes and I just couldn't *not* follow you if I saw you heading in a direction.

Seisorald: I have a log somewhere of Veneroth and I summoning you out of the Palace and permalagging
you with shieldbash. Couldn't have gone better. I noticed later in the log that you had Vallinane's
bindings on you, dumb luck. Good timing on Veneroth and I both happening there at the same time just
looking around.

Otuerghad: Audasity. You get Emperor, and go and break the law in the Galadon MS. Nicely done. There was
a nuance of Tribunal I wasn't too familiar with that I later figured out, and apologized to you about
personally. However, your little fit about me not warranting goodes was really uncalled for when you got
wanted. I would have to ask for stats, but I bet I flagged more goodies than evils, or close to it. I
pursued every case I thought I had enough evidence to do so. Personally, I wished you would not hide so
much in my jurisdictions just to get Fort to attack you so I COULD flag them. God I wanted a reason OOC
to nail some of those guys, you just have no idea.

Nexus:

I'm of the school of thought that generally doesn't like nexus. I haven't had a nexun since they were where
Azuremain is. I just can't get past the RP of it. My character's can't decide to forgive and forget just because
your nexan flip flops. Maybe that jives with your nexan, that doesn't jive with me. I tried to keep my distance
most of the time. Sometimes it might have appears to Battleragers that I was working with them, but for the most
part I was not. If I saw a criminal, I went after them. If nexans were raiding, or you as a criminal were raiding
nexus, well that's just too bad, I'm coming.

I don't really have anything too personal for anyone here. Solec, bad luck wording to Galadon wanted, right into
shield bash and lieutenants while convulsing. Lucky day for me. At least you got all your 300 gold or whatever
it was while I was still in lag. Rich bastard

Randoms:

Whiysdan: I gotta admit, rescuing a criminal out of combat on Eastern Road of all places, weak. You must be
a decent Imm since a ton of people kinda flock your way. If you had spent any more amount of time in the Spire
than you did I probably would have done something detrimental to my health to be honest. IC you were trespassing
and my Code regarding respecting the Gods was the only thing keeping me from warranting and attacking you for
intrusion. It wasn't going to last long though, but thanks for at least showing up in good faith and inadvertantly
apologizing. I appreciate it.

Krunk: I'm sorry I never gave you the fight on terms you wanted, but that's not something I am going to do, Ever.
You would spinebreak, drink to full heal, and want me to hang out with champ stand down... I don't think so. After
Lindu lost half his set to war banner, I am not taking any risks with orcs. I'll fight any orc or group of orcs all
day long but the last thing I am going to do is eat bashes that are laggining me. You can complain about it in tells
if you want, I don't really care. My class is going to use the abilities granted to it just as yours will, that's all
there is to it.

Kragg: Our fight in the sewers must have been the first time you fought a shield paladin. I don't think you realised
that I can negate some of your bash lag. You weren't too happy but hey, I didn't loot anything at least.


Um.. Alston/Pro

I've come across you with your character Theollander, and I guess Vallerius.

Firstly, I would like to correct you regarding Vallerius as you have misrepresented our interaction.

I logged into the mud, and there you sit smiling at me. You said to me that you have been waiting for me,
and start pulling all this armor out of your bag. I'm already suspicious because I have never met you
and have no idea who the hell you are. You show me this shopping bag of armor you have ready for me to start
cleansing for you. To me IC, I see a paladin that is storing evil tainted armor, OOC I see some d-bag that
is storing evil tainted armor waiting for a hero pally he knows plays a lot to log in. As per my Code, as per my
role "Holy Ordained Codex of Marcatis" evil tainted items that cannot be cleansed should be destroyed. I told you
that I felt if you had not the means yourself to cleanse the items you should destroy them. It was selfish to
carry them around like that. You start getting an attitude with me, and tell me how I am a bad paladin. I recall
you actually telling me that when you get to my age you are going to duel me. I even sent up a pray that you were
threatening to kill me for not cleansing the armor for you.

This brings me to Theollander, your wood-elf. I recall this character yelling through the area at Fzoarn, AND Lindu,
on two seperate occasions on how you have spoken with An Immortal and I won't recieve my blessings because I won't
leave an area where you're ranking or something like that. Didn't I kill Theollander with Fzoarn when he was wanted?
I believe so, I even got Imm Experience for adding it into my role about it. Then you attacked me after that and killed
yourself to trip lag, didn't you?

Before you start slighting people and calling someone a douchebag, stop taking yourself so seriously and actually hero
a character first. As I recall you were telling a paladin with a leader position, two virtues, full empowerment, that he
is a douchebag and a bad paladin for thinking you are selfish because you are storing evil tainted gear. Right.

The growing population of people with a mentality like you, svirf rager, jalim, and just the overall griefer attitude
of folks that are so beat down emotionally the only way they can feel better about themselves is to try constantly to
beat down the next guy for the entertainment of the anonymous mass, is why this is my last character for probably a very
long time.


Maybe this was my best, I don't think so personally. Definately my longest. I think Aunkdunell or Crendal were
better than Fzoarn, personally, and much more heavily rewarded. As for a first hero goodie, first hero paladin,
first marcatis follower, yada yada, I guess I did ok. Marcatis is a hard follow, used a lot of words I didn't want
to have to dictionary, and losing my role entries really put a hamper on that aspect of my character. Honestly it killed
that motivation.

When I newbie channeled that it had happened, an Imm replied that I can put back in, but don't worry you don't lose your
Imm exp.. I was kinda pissed on the inside. Maybe my priorities are different, Imm Exp is cool and all, but losing all that
info I was basing really screwed me over. I don't blame anyone for it, I just don't like that it happened.


All in all, obviously I loved the character, I dreamed it when I slept, (yes I slept sometimes) and without the ignore
command I could never have lasted this long. Unfortunately it has become painfully obvious I am not wanted here nor
there, not welcome, not appreciated, and as the staff have gotten extremely laxidasical in enforcement, the playerbase
or at least a growing portion of it have become increasingly unbearable to deal with. I took some old ps3 games back
and paid 1.97 on a trade in for Skyrim, and loving it. Sobriety is awesome too, three months now. You would be amazed
how much money you save when it's not going getting smoked or drank. Yay me.

-Rogue

asf

If you put as much time, effort, and thought into a character as you do your goodbye post with your discussion/justifications, you might have a better experience.

It's interesting to me, from an imm perspective - you do all the right things. You do stay in character, you don't shy from pk, as you said you don't loot much, you raid, you get your cabal item back, you write a role, etc etc. From a purely imm watching perspective, this was a great char. My only issue is that I don't think good Tribs or Outlanders should hunt goodies that fall into the stereotypes of what those cabals are supposed to do, but I realize that's just my PoV and totally understand that there are people who do not agree.

That said, my god you were hated by the players. It was such a disconnect between what I saw and what the players saw but once I figured out who the player was, it made a lot of sense - this is pretty much the case for ALL your characters.

In general, I hope you keep playing. Yeah you're kind of a ####, but my god who in this game isn't???

You have practically half the game voicing a negative opinion of this player. The gist of the complaints are that this player the ruins gaming experiences of others so consistently that he is recognizable with the first sentence he puts out.

And you encourage him.

I submit that it's likey he has done more to drive people from CF than any other play in the games history.

Valg posted years back about how he kept track of a griefer and how that griefer upset three new players. He marked those players IP's and watched for them. They never came back, not even a single log in.

I'm not saying it was Rogue, but Valg himself showed how detrimental behavior like this is to the game.

Cut bait with this guy and get rid of him.

>You have practically half the game voicing a negative opinion
>of this player. The gist of the complaints are that this
>player the ruins gaming experiences of others so consistently
>that he is recognizable with the first sentence he puts out.

Nonsense. I hate to defend Rogue but, but condemn him for what he does, not what he doesn't do.

Rogue's ignore antics make people not like him, not the game.

Or staff for that matter, except for Arvam. EVERYONE loved them some Arvam.

>Far as insubordination... Meh. After I made Provincial I
>outranked you by time in service I am pretty sure. I out-aged
>you by a couple years very quickly, simply through play time.
>By the time I deleted I believe I was above you in seniority.
>The same applicant we had an issue about, I personally
>rejected his pledge and this was supported by the Provost. I
>don't
>understand why IC you wouldn't support this with 2 Magistrates
>speaking against him, instead you would undermine my opinion
>on CB in front of other Magistrates and infront of the Pledge.
>Maybe I'm wrong here but that seemed like poor form. I
>removed
>myself from the situation and apologized for it, I don't
>believe you followed up with it at all, either. Don't worry, I did

I understand where you may be coming from, to a point, regarding the pledge, however I do object to what was said to be in poor form.. what really became poor form in my mind was the fact that you had challenged me openly over CB, where I do speak up.. I am not always a chatty cathy over CB, but I always do when it comes to my duties or general conversations and expected to be listened to. I was never ordered nor was the pledge to be removed from the list, so I was leaving it up to the Provost to decide on which I felt necessary given the situation. This was not up to a then, Magistrate of Galadon, to decide on what happens to a pledge. I decided that until she made this decision he is to be given all chances that any pledge would be given to prove themselves. Believe it or not I was actually supported by all the others around at that time, thats how the leadership works. I did follow up with it and was told I was in the right in that instance as the chain of command needs to be respected. I had the authority in this case, not you whom really tried to undermine MY authority.

You're quite skilled, but you're also possibly delusional. Your long, winding goodbye note, most of it justification of why you played an a-hole is good reading, but doesn't really make that much sense. You got me too much and started avoiding me? Yeah, I don't think so. How many times do you really think I demanded an explanation for attacking me? I think I really tried once, when I sat there and entered no commands and watched you kill me for absolutely no reason. Just wanted to see if you'd do it, and you did. So I wanted a chance to talk about it, crazy ol me. As for my roleplay being "chaotic funny", how exactly would you have a chance to judge that? You seem to take a lot of joy in peeing in the ol cornflakes, and that's fine, sometimes that's fun. But you never zipped up to take a break, you just kept on whizzin', and your goodbye note is a meandering continuation of that. All that being said, congratulations on your sobriety. Hope you're a well person for a long, long time.

I don't think I've ever had a problem with you or your chars. I will admit that I really dislike the "Ignore" command but can see it's uses. Different people have different styles they bring to their character and that is what makes this mud great. We have by far the widest variety of well RP'ed chars I've ever come across.

As far as your logs and such. I've seen and had to deal with both sides in fairly recent time for each. Cabals will have good and bad examples of themselves running around, which is the risk every leader takes when inducting.

On a side note. I recall with one of my recent chars that you had no problem cleansing some gear I came across and can completely understand the RP purpose behind what you did in the other instance. It's called sticking to your Role, no matter what.

This is where the FWIW comes in. Every well played, long lived, char has naysayers and a cheering section. This is double true when it comes to hero cabal leader spots. I personally say that you should just take the flack in stride and listen to the people that you think are significant, in their opinions. Lastly, just ask yourself this. "If your not there to have griefers complain about, then who is?" Kinda like the Dark Knight thing, You've done nothing wrong.... but why?... people will hate him.... because he isn't the hero in need... but the one they deserve.

Now that may have been a little too much smoke up the ol backside but FWIW, it's mostly true. GLWYN.

and for good reason

nt

First of all, thank you A LOT, for all the time and efforts you put in this character an the Spire. You were a great friend, great presence and in my oppinion, a character out of the box.

When i started to know you better and interact with you, the image that came to my head was like Anakin Skywalker, a good guy with a great potential, with amazing good will to do things and full of anger. I "observed" you a lot, not in the intention to treat you as a subordinate, but to try to understand your "ways" and atempt to guide you to what i believe would be the best for you and the Spire.

For me, the apex of your character's life, was the day that you overcame your old grudge with the Fortress and Lohakahn. I felt that day, that your character understood the greatness of forgiven and that the Spire's ideals and relief of rancors were a bigger thing than personal issues. That was acting like a paladin, and that got you to provincial.

I felt a lot of hate against you from many people, and sometimes my advices were meant to try to change that perspective towards you. Afterall, the intention (for me at least) was to make a pleasant experience for everyone involved. You generated a good experience for me and because you did, you are already missed.

Hope to see you back in the fields soon. We need players and even more, constant and skilled players.

It is a gift, like going to the beach on a sunny day and, on the long ride home, finding you have sand in your underwear. It gets in the way of what otherwise could have been a good experience for everyone.

Iepnier liked Fzoarn, as much as a chaotic evil can like anyone. And after I gave you a duel, I realized that in order to kill Fzoarn, the fight would have to be in the mauzoleum foyer, I would have to land a crunch, and Fzoarn would have to not retreat when things were going bad. Gambling for a crunch while getting ripped up with jabs and wrath spam would have been equally dumb. Good gear, virtues, and your cabal choice meant that any future one-on-one fight was more than likely going to be on your terms.

Fzoarn had made it a point that he was willing to uphold the "slay evil" aspect of being a paladin as well as hunt criminals, he yelled coward but was as quick to word home as your good svirfneblin friend was to heal up in the village, and his propensity to come hunting criminals when we were defending against raids made it pretty clear you didn't care how Fzoarn were seen as long as he was performing his duties to his full capacity. This marked him a personal enemy, and Iepnier isn't one to turn the other ass-cheek just so he can get kicked in it again.

And Fzoarn performed those duties well. Many more enemies of the village would have died if he had been assigned to Seantryn Modan or even Hamsah Mu'tazz, and I respected the threat he posed.

But if you would be willing to listen to a bit of feedback for the sake of growth, most everything that comes out of your characters' mouths seems caustic, bitter, or outright angry at the world. As an example: Iepnier examined your character's sword, but rather than quietly accepting Iepnier's justification for returning it, you verbally chastized him in game and in your death thread. How does this do anything other than make you look like a person angry at the world?

nt

sdcadcv

We had some decent fights. I was willing to fight you almost anywhere, but I wasn't going to let you summon me. I didn't know what virtues you had and didn't want you dispelling pass door getting me stuck. I did manage to get you twice but didn't take a thing from you. I tried to get an rp conversation started by telling you about Naija's refusal to flag an applicant that I made get a warrant for induction, but you wouldn't discuss it. Then I found myself on ignore for no apparent reason. I just couldn't find the love for this character, and I give the love to Eleagra who beat my ass like a red headed step child. So it's not like I'm hard on who I respect.

Moqor: One of the few evils I vouched for. Kudos for not being buddy buddy with me IC, OOC I thought that was awesome,
IC I was going to possibly kick you out. Don't worry, that was strictly between us. Very nicely done for an evil/paladin
relationship. I really respect the way you worked that angle and from an OOC aspect I can appreciate it without going into
specifics regarding actives. Well done and good luck.


It was a very well done interview. I happened to log it because I enjoyed the roleplay that much as it helped me further flesh out the character.

Similar to you, I could not stand Fzoarn in-character. Not once did you commune for me, even when facing 1v2 retrievals. At most you laid hands one time and I assume you regretted it. That was a fine line you walked between serving a tribunal immortal and being a Magistrate and was one I definitely looked forward to exploiting to see you not be a leader in the cabal, all in-character of course. Moqor knew his place and the hierarchy of the Spire so it was difficult to push too far. You knew that too, though, and sought out to make it even more difficult for me. I like to think we both rose to meet the challenge appropriate to our roles.

From a player's perspective, I thought you did very well. Maybe now you understand more why people deride and hate Outlander so much. It takes a toll, chameleon plus the entire mindset of the cabal is just too much. You played a lot, and you played hard. Take the good from the character and continue to get better and help make CF the #1 game.

For what its worth I liked Fzoarn when I inducted him, but after interacting with him with a two or three characters after that I just couldn't stand him. Its like you were nice when you had to be to get inducted/empowered, but after that you would take these giant ####s on anyone that opened their mouth towards you and cackle about it OOC because it was in your role to do so?

I don't think Tribunals should have access to the ignore command. When they are on duty and they are receptive to crime reports from everyone, nobody should get an 'is ignoring you' message. You absolutely abused this feature to suit your playstyle, as you do with every character.

Overall I didn't like the character, and I think EVERYONE saying that you were either PRO or Rogue should be analyzed and thought about on your end.

Jalim your characters are just as easy to spot.

Just saying.

SLEEP WIF US, JALIIIIIM. TEH TROLLZ NEED UUUUUU

To me the difference is this.

There are a handful of players like Jalim and Isildur who usually play one of a few kinds of characters each and are pretty successful with them. Add in some of their idiosyncracies and when you see a tough character in their wheelhouse, you tend to think it's the player in question. Probably you're even right.

(Although I'll admit I recently saw a character that I thought *obviously* had to be a certain player because of this logic, and I was wrong.)

But when a Jalim plays against type, you have no idea it's him. At least, I don't.

Here Rogue, a guy whose wheelhouse has typically been usually evil, always chaotic, usually Outlander plays an Orderly Good Tribunal paladin. He's playing way against his type. (Something that really impressed me, incidentally.)

But even playing his type a lot of people were like, that has to be Rogue.

nt

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

First off - Dam that is one long ass note!

I liked Fzoarn 99% of the time as an enemy because you defended, retrieved and generally made life more fun for me. I would occasionally engage you with no wands to try and always make you commit to fighting a but longer for when I did use wands. I think I killed you about 3 times in various raids, retrievals etc with at least 2 off them being part of two or more people. Best win was when you summoned me into executioner and 'swipe' actually worked for once!

Anyway, the only small gripe was the ignore thing and you justify it well in your thread here but the conversation wasn't me trying to tell you how to be a lawman or a paladin but did want some RP driven discussion as we are not always mindless beasts in the refuge. Had you sent a tell like ' I am not interested in your words, I have more pressing matters.' before using ignore it would have sat better with me. As it was you gave some abusive reply then ignored and that came across as childish.

Anyway, you may have felt I was Bleh but I liked you 99% of the time. GLWYN

I had to chuckle at the amusing idea that Outlanders wouldn't come give you a fight when you were standing on the Prosimy Road. You are bitching that rangers wouldn't come fight in a place where they were disadvantaged against an unlaggable, hard-to-kill shield paladin who worded when you got down to about half health. That's just too funny. Especially when I did several times on the road and in the cabin and you just worded every time. I do wonder about the paladin-ness of trying to summon people into traps rather than engaging in a straight up fight but to each his own.

From my perspective, I hit you every time I saw you in the wilds though you never stayed around long enough to have a good fight unless someone was able to lag you (which I couldn't, especially when you went champion's stand). I did manage to get one decent ambush on you and you immediately fled/recalled.

In any case, you are incredibly patronizing in your good-bye thread where you seem to think you are the only one who knows how to role-play anything. Get over yourself already. If you'd learn to take yourself less seriously, you'd be more enjoyable as a foe or an ally.

Having the balls to come out with such a massively disliked character shows good character in you as the player. You did loot me (Bojack) and those things you took I was never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever going to get back. Sad face. The only reason I am saying this is because Bojack saw you as a friend and left the village because of you and Illanthos. He felt his own integrity was falling apart. I thought you were very well RPed but the ignores did get annoying. I understand your point but I researve ignore for those who deserve it. Like when people go OOC. I do not believe ignore should be used as an IC way of saying go #### yourself. As it is an OOC mechanic. Honestly Fzoarn is now in my top 10 favorite characters of all time. If only the player who played Flaaayin had the stones to come out like you did.

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

I'm sure much will be made of your liberal use of the ignore command. It should. Personally, I don't think the command should exist. For a Tribunal Paladin to use it is just awful to me. Tribunals, and Paladins have a need and a duty to have their ears open, for the most part. (yes, I know, not all tribunals and paladins are not the same) I can only speak for myself, but I never wanted to badger you, I wanted to see what makes you tick. I also noticed most of your uses of ignore occured after something negative happended to you. You died, or were driven back trying to recover the scales. That strikes me as childish, and petty. I'm sure you had something in your role to justify it, and, according to some, you truly roleplayed at times. But I bet there was a lot of "I'll cover my ass in my role" so then you could indulge yourself in acting like a four year old, which you often did, in my eyes. I wish I could have roleplayed with you, because you were half an interesting character.

I really respected the way you roleplayed and handled that death to me. Kudos on that. You could have easily taken some god-given goodies for the whole accident, but stuck to your RP. Well done there!

"W"

That log smacked of a new God unfamiliar with just how hard he was going to put the hurt on a mortal.

I wondered if it was an accident.

~

You were always there "getting in the way", but I felt like you were fair in our interactions, had consistent RP, and handled situations calmly, for the most part...other than maybe your interactions with Lohakahn, which seemed to be something personal between you two (but came off as a bit evil feeling on your part).

My RP was not having much love for the Tribunal, but never saw you as a real enemy. I tried to make it clear that it was nothing personal, that I was just prone to disliking the Tribinal and occasionally causing some mayhem. My goal was to keep you a bit paranoid when I was around and it seemed to work. Couldn't help but feel you took it personally a few times when we did battle and maybe got to dislike me or thought I was out to get you- at least that's how it came across- but in the end you were a strong presence and always seemed ready to either win the battle or get out of there at the right time. And I will say you had a real sense of timing about when to show up at a raid and throw some chaos into the situation for criminals and cabal-mates alike.

Galadon will be much more dangerous with you gone. Best of luck with your next.

I wanted to literally come through my laptop and choke you out ALL the time but you were RPed very very well. Noone can deny that but its really sad about the ignoring you did. I believe I know who the player is and you know my feelings are only contempt but it was a very good character.

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

That's just being a numpty and really turned me off the character!

Some of my thoughts echo what people posted here and on the other website.

But I'll stick to niceties. The first few fights, when you had just heroe'd, I was able to beat you up pretty badly. Dagger specs can be a nightmare for paladins, especially when they lack strength/dex gear and the right virtue(s).

Then one day we fight and you are counter striking me, then beating me silly, I realized the tides had turned. You were now impossible to hamstring, difficult to artery and hurl and when those did land, it didn't really matter. I thought towards the end you had finally found that rhythm that makes a combo shine.

Good luck with your next.

The Spire will be a much more lonely place without you. I can't thank you enough for all of your assistance and we had some good talks. Everyone has their ups and downs and I can't imagine playing a Tribunal Paladin but I think you did it well (hell better than I could).

Thanks again,
Ianto

p.s
I may post some more on when my death thread comes up as you impacted this character a lot and it was always a good feeling to see your greeting come up when I logged on as I knew there would be some fun about.

Not bad.. All I can say is on a personal level his RP appeared to be excellent and had some very good in depth discussions from the beginnings. I liked our little chit-chats and enjoyed his attempts to advance his character to new levels. I think he was really committed and stuck to what he believed in as far as his empowerment reasons, many props for that.

As far as his duties as a Tribunal.. I'd say initially they were very well received and I encouraged it, supporting his want to succeed to Vindicator.. In farily recent events, I'd say his duties were mediocre, at best. I often felt like I had gotten half of the story and was unsure how some events really did happen with certain reports given to me, though I rolled with how it came. He had often became to the point of being very insubbordinate, arrogant and has done a number of things that I am surprised the Provost never did anything about, over discussions. After all that, was given a promotion shortly after.. which still confuses me after all the concerns and questionable complaints that were put out there. Though I am unsure what was said behind closed doors, I'd have to trust it was handled as it should have been. Those few details aside, the rest are a plus.

GLWYN!

However, unlike the majority of people throwing stones, I didn't think you had bad RP.

I just thought you had RP that put you at odds with a lot of people.

I actually kinda of enjoyed Fzoarn's RP towards the end. You tell Fzoarn "I'd offer you aid but I know you will not accept it". Fzoarn tells you "I will handle Spire business".

Unlike the rest, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying good job.

I really didn't care about your attitude and all your abrasiveness. What I really didn't like were the lies you spread about me. I never forced you to fight any angels. I never forced you to do anything. There were complications that happened which ended up in the angels attacking our group. I didn't force the scenario to take place. You told everyone though, that I send angels after paladins. Lame.

That aside you were diligent and a very reliable tribunal. Good luck with the next, but please dude try not to play angry.

This is a rough summary of my interactions with you.

First experience: You bitching to me about Fort being incompetent, clearly implicating that you were the wounded victim who had done nothing at all and that all forties picking on you were stupid, malicious incompetents. Wut?

Second Experience: Beautifully courteous super-paladinly RP. Fair of speech and manner.

Third Experience: Beautifully courteous super-paladinly RP. Fair of speech and manner.

Fourth Experience: You bitching to me about how Forties are all vile, evil bastards, and that one pally had hated on you and another squire had rotted you. Wut?

Fifth Experience: Beautifully courteous super-paladinly RP. Fair of speech and manner.

So yeah, I had no idea what to think about Fzoarn. I know this game can get me awful enraged at times too, but I don't think I ever went quite as bipolar as Fzoarn did. I didn't like your bitching but I thought your RP outside of those periods was really good.

I also give you kudos for staying around in foul or fair weather, and being a very strong and constant presence in Trib.

I was tempted to make the body of this post *ignore* since that would sum up our entire IC interaction, but instead I'll offer some advice like I did to Arngrum. First, if you are going to ignore evils (which I assume is the RP driven case here), fine. But don't talk #### first, then turn on ignore. That isn't RP, that's being a #### and then refusing to deal with the RP consequences of that choice.

Second, if you have champion's stand, the trick to killing folks is to trick them into thinking you aren't using it. Standing stock still and refusing to move one room away, isn't going to do it. Spamming wrath after the first bash isn't going to do it. If, for instance, you are fighting a character (like an orc) with little in the way of direct damage skills who has to kill you via lag, you want to convince the crap out of them that not only can you be lagged, but are being lagged.... right up until they are lagging themselves enough to kill them with a couple of wraths in a row when they think you are lagged.

It looks like from logs you were willing to put yourself at risk to retrive, but Krunk's experience was that you wouldn't take any chances at all (meaning always champ stand, word if lost shield or fight turned at all, etc...) I don't know if that was an IC choice or not, but I believe you called Krunk a coward at some point for avoiding you , which seemed silly, since the only one taking a risk in any engagement was him, and he's an orc... Anyway, just some thoughts.

The Good:
While Illanthos might've thought you to be a poor Paladin, you were clearly a VERY good magistrate, willing to track down criminals wherever they lay, defend/retrieve against terrible odds, and really give the Spire a presence outside of the cities. After struggling for hundreds of hours, I finally managed to get on reasonable speaking terms with you, and the talks that ensued were enjoyable. Fzoarn had the makings of a great character, but there was alot of player frustration and negativity that ended up tainting my experiences with him.

The Bad:
Fzoarn put Illanthos in a very difficult position, as he was continually playing the middleman between you and virtually all of Thera. Fzoarn more or less beat the snot out of precepts 7, 10, and 12 of the Paladin code, and shrugged off my attempts to help him act more paladinly, or temperate. You definitely had me, the player, tearing my hair out several times, such as when you threatened to warrant me for healing you, or when I tried to help you ever, as you almost invariably insulted me up and down as I tried to do so.

Take a chill pill, and GLWYN

Obviously our first few interactions predisposed me to likely your character and being neutral I could relate better to your style of rp. I think we had a pretty good bond for most of the characters lives, and in general I liked the general day to day rp of the character. Firm but fair, felt a bit more like orderly neutral than orderly good. I'd quite like a look at your role before I made any final decisions on the success of your rp/goals. You can message it to me or to wishore on qhcf.net. Also I found you pretty competent, except that time you got me killed... but heh i'm sure I killed you many more times Thanks for reminding me of that one thing, I still never use that sort of thing. Give me staff of Reallycool#### any day

Having played a good orderly empowered tribunal, I am wondering how much if any smack down you got for the way you acted sometimes. I didnt really get a repentent vibe from you so I'm thinking maybe not so much. I think its really difficult to get across the idea of Orderly Good Tribunal, Essentially Chaos and Crime are your evil, those who are wanted are acting or have acted in an evil way. It doesnt matter if the fortress happens to get wanted, generally they are trying to murder someone, and so are acting in an evil way until the warrant is removed. It should be more akin to how nexus works, in the way that those sort of things were viewed.

Given the tendancy to heavy loot people, I'm not overly surprised that you were full looted, and given cirkie was there (Yes I was wrong, you are teh awesome and rped thief into outlander, (Your still a ####er though <3). Its not really a nail in the coffin given you uh.. know the sword is back etc etc and its just gear (Most of it seemed pretty crap too). If this was more a delete because you didnt like the build (seems unlikely) or were disatisfied with the way Outlander/Tribunal fights go in general thats fair enough, and I think there are valid issues that need to be addressed in regards to those two cabals as enemies.

Try and Neutral or Evil next time, theres less of a wtf, second look with the style of RP you played with Fzoarn.


cheers

Asa

If so, I never said I was awesome. I said I was searching for my garden.

Yes, and no, I said you were awesome, well played.

But mostly it was all for IC reasons because he was pretty damn persistent in intervening in anything anywhere if a criminal was around. I tried talking to Yantha about it even, just to try and make it so Fzoarn would not always just show up at the village if anyone was marked, because that just gets tiresome.

OC I didn't really care one way or the other about him, just thought he was a guy gunning hard for vindicator.

Add in that I always think that if a character intervenes in other cabal's raids retrievals or defenses you run a heavy risk of getting punished for it by the other people, in terms of them killing and maybe looting as well, and the frustration with Fzoarn grew since it was almost a certainty you'd just come in, and word yourself pretty readily.

I thought Fzoarn was an extremely arrogant, overconfident, somewhat deluded fool of a paladin in how he saw himself. But, I thought it was at least RP driven, and it was consistent, and that's not a bad thing.
And one more thing, bard vs. paladin fight = exercise in futility.

Who does not know who is the player behind this character.

I didn't like the character, and what I saw corroborated the reports I've heard, and taken together you seemed to be a particularly bad-tempered and uncourteous (to othe good-aligns, even) Paladin. But it isn't fair to be lynched OOC on a forum either. So for that, you have my sympathy.

So who played Fzoarn? Rogue? RobDarken is a mean arsehole, but I don't think he can be bothered to yell angry things at people.

nt

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and he complains about every little crazy idea about CF. Go figure.

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

I had very complicated feelings about Fzoarn, both IC and OOC.

From an IC perspective, you were mostly annoying, getting in the way at inopportune times, interfering with our fights with Nexus, and generally being a pain in the ass.

However, Mauz understood that this is part of what it means to be a Tribunal, especially one that appeared to be gunning for Vindicator. As such, he had tremendous respect for you as an implement of the law.

That said, he (and I) felt that you were a pretty terrible Paladin. I wasn't going to call you out on it IC, as it's not my place to judge you, but it seemed that you would often be trying to kill wanted neutrals instead of going for the evils who were nearby. I'll hasten to add that this is just how it seemed to me and that my perceptions could be way off.

Then, to make matters worse, you had to go and act super-duper Paladiny the time you killed me when I had a warrant by not only offering to help me regear, but hinting to me that you had sacced one of my evil armors so I could get it again.

By this point I was thoroughly confused as what to think about you.

In the end, IC Mauz had grown rather fond of you, especially considering how heavy your burdens seemed to bear.

OOC, I felt that some of the logs you posted on Dio's were to paint certain Villagers in a bad light, and while there will always be crappy Villagers and excellent Villagers, I felt like a really good one was made to look kind of crappy in a few of your logs, and it annoyed me a bit.

So, a hard wrung 'thank you' from me for creating a character which annoyed me, but also made me think about things quite a bit.

>but it seemed that you would often be
>trying to kill wanted neutrals instead of going for the evils
>who were nearby.

As someone who's played a few Justice/Arbiter/Tribunal paladins in my time I don't think this is necessarily the wrong way to play it. I mean, just by being Tribunal you're kind of signaling that the Orderly half of your alignment might edge out the Good half just a bit in terms of which is more important.

Edit: Add to that, "Kill all evil" isn't the only valid take on evil as a paladin. Example, a sphere Peace Acolyte paladin might not.

The whole fun part of playing a paladin is the conflicts that arise between law/good. Add being Tribunal to the mix and it becomes even more complex/interesting.

While I think it's the nuances available to all characters that makes CF such a great game, I'm also inclined to speculate that Paladins have the least wiggle-room of any class when it comes to their behavior. Not only do they have the code, but the paladin helpfile specifically states that "They are also formidable fighters, always questing
to stamp out evil."

I wouldn't say that Fzoarn played his paladin "wrong," as when it comes to roles it's very hard for a player to make a call like that about another player. However, I think that anyone who interacted with him could make a fine case that his behavior was more Orderly Neutral than Orderly Good most of the time.

Obviously this is a risk that many Tribunals take. I had similar feelings about Lamayinn, that Trib AP who was amazing in all respects, except for being so un-evil that it could hardly be ignored.

I think it's fair that Tribunal, especially, be given some leeway when it comes to how far from Good or Evil they drift, considering the demands put upon them by the job, but in a case like Fzoarn, I can see from the comments that I'm not the only one who questioned just Paladin-y he tended to act.

All in all I think it's good for players to stretch the limits of their alignment and ethos, but I maintain that Paladins need to be held to a higher standard than most. Except for murdergnome shifters. Turn those little bastards evil after their second offense.

I think in a sense it's not a credit that the player of this character was SO transparent, at least to me, but, this also is probably your best character that I've seen. What can any of us really hope for as players but that each character will be our best?

Tribunal definitely is feeling the hit of being down a Fzoarn right now.

how bad did his other characters have to be for this one to be his best?

nt

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

Just curious.

If I had to guess, Fzoarn's intensely rigid RP may have led to a few of the OOC outbursts people complain about, too, so I don't hold that against him if it happened just a couple times...

My experience with Fzoarn was pretty awesome IC. First he approaches Sarin while she's shopping in Voralia, treats her like a proper lady, cleanses some of her gear, says goodbye... Later, he catches her in the Darsylon Palace with a devil and elven blood on her hands... He gets PISSED, screams at her but can't attack her cause he's still out of pk range. From then on, whenever he sees her in Voralia, he generally treats her with contempt. But my favorite time was when he saw me log in at my guild, walks in with his two guards, crosses his arms and says, "What's your business in my city today?" It made me grin cause I love that sort of relationship in CF.

nt

Forget it.

I really liked this character, from what I saw. I read other people complain about him but I really didn't see any of that negative stuff, not from my perspective anyway.

We RPed around, had fun. Only thing that I didn't like was your outburst via cb ("f-this ..." or whatever it was) before you deleted after you said you got full-looted.

Sucks getting fulled, really does. People generally do it just because they, as a player, are an ass (or they are getting even). But, in every area of life we have people like that. Until I am dictator of the world and have a special island for them, we have to deal with it.

Anyway...good character, bad ooc outburst.

Good luck!

It was 1000% people getting even.

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

#PK <51 Human Pal> Fzoarn killed by Tairneach #CarrionFields #rpg

Protect the Light, my brother.

I saw a lot of butthurt about you, but nothing on the boards was illegit from you, mostly just whining.

edit: other than your oocness after dying.

nt