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#79, "retriving"
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Well Ill try asking here as its very hard to get a good answer to this.
In retriving you are only allowed to strike at the captain, unless a tribunal strikes at you. Then you can re-direct. If the tribunal flees and returns you can not attack him again.
Now this also applies if you flee and strike at him again also. Even though he can attack you, without you attacking the captain.
The problem I have here is this. As a hero and you continually fight the tribunal you will die a fair ammount even if you know your way about as there are so many guards even out in the wilds, and your rå will make you go into the cities to fight. STAY WITH ME HERE:.. 
Now your con will be lowered quite a bit, its close to impossible to stay alive, now in fighting the outerguardian of the tribunal and say a shaman(worst case) stands there and maledicts you, for instance rot. This wont make him hit me and if I attack him first I get wanted. As I would shurely die of this even if I was prepared to the teeth with +con eq..This for anyone would constitute a greave unfairness in my eyes atleast. As you cannot do any pre-emptive striking without getting wanted.
Id suggest when a player must retrive he can strike anyone that might hinder his retriving as retriving is not just killing the outerguardian.
The player would still not be able to call inn allies from outside his cabal to aid him, as they would get wanted still.
Thank you for your attention LH
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  We have changed the laws with regards to retrieving,
drunsthol ,
09-Mar-04 02:31 PM, #16
  RE: We have changed the laws with regards to retrieving,
Velkurah,
09-Mar-04 02:43 PM, #17
Thank you!!!,
 Crerigord (Guest),
09-Mar-04 07:09 PM, #18
Might be wrong but...,
Romanul,
08-Mar-04 03:20 AM, #1
I'm still not convinced,
Daurwyn (Guest),
08-Mar-04 05:04 AM, #2
*heh*,
permanewbie,
08-Mar-04 09:38 AM, #3
agreed,
Daurwyn (Guest),
08-Mar-04 10:49 AM, #4
yeah,
permanewbie,
08-Mar-04 10:56 AM, #5
Judge for yourself.. how did I become wanted?,
Log (Guest),
08-Mar-04 06:12 PM, #6
IF (IF) you did nothing before that log,
Daurwyn (Guest),
08-Mar-04 07:11 PM, #7
RE: IF (IF) you did nothing before that log,
oneoutlander (Guest),
08-Mar-04 07:51 PM, #9
You Listen:,
Warranted (Guest),
08-Mar-04 07:31 PM, #8
RE: You Listen:,
Daurwyn (Guest),
09-Mar-04 04:45 AM, #10
Actually:,
Warranted (Guest),
09-Mar-04 12:30 PM, #13
heh. I spent ages trying to work it out,
incognito,
09-Mar-04 12:47 PM, #15
and incidentally,
Daurwyn (Guest),
09-Mar-04 04:49 AM, #11
Just on *ONE* topic.,
permanewbie,
09-Mar-04 08:38 AM, #12
RE: Just on *ONE* topic.,
Um (Guest),
09-Mar-04 12:38 PM, #14
online casinos,
jim (Guest),
14-Jan-06 01:49 PM, #19
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drunsthol | Tue 09-Mar-04 02:31 PM |
Member since 30th Sep 2003
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#95, "We have changed the laws with regards to retrieving"
In response to Reply #0
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4. Participating in an assault upon the Spire itself is considered a
criminal act. Specifically, this means striking at the Tribunal guardians
or aiding others to do so is illegal, as is passing beyond the Tribunal
outer guardians and into the Spire itself at any time. If you are
standing at the entrance to the Spire without attempting to go beyond the
guardian or harm members of the Spire, you may be warned to leave by a
Magistrate, then you will be flagged if you remain beyond a resonable time
required to obey. The only time it is legal to assault Magistrates inside the
Spire, or the outer guardian of the Blood Tribunal, is if the Tribunal holds
your cabals item of power.
The part in bold is what was changed. You are allowed to strike at the members of the Tribunal and at the Captain without fear of being marked a criminal.
I believe this settles all the issues in this thread.
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Velkurah | Tue 09-Mar-04 02:43 PM |
Member since 29th Jan 2004
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#96, "RE: We have changed the laws with regards to retrieving"
In response to Reply #16
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Also, notice that the part of the law that was changed read The only time an assault on the outer guardian of the Blood Tribunal is legal is if the Tribunal holds your cabals item of power.
No Trib was doing anything wrong before, the way the law was worded allowed for them to flag for being attacked in the cabal no matter the circumstances. As it happens, we agree that you should be able to attack Tribs there as well, so the law was adjusted.
Velkurah
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Romanul | Mon 08-Mar-04 03:20 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#80, "Might be wrong but..."
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As an outlander...you shouldn't really give two ####s whether you are wanted or not. Because you strive against the laws/rules of society, you do not want to use them to your advantage, you want to destroy them. It just seems silly to complain about being flagged as an outlander...its like saying Yes I want to bring down everything you stand for, but oh god you had better not flag me because well damn that just isn't playing fair! I think Malkhar posted something decent regarding a similar situation, might want to check it out on the graveyard I believe.
Romanul.
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#81, "I'm still not convinced"
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It seems to me there is a reason why outlanders are allowed to retrieve without being made wanted. That being game balance (and I say this from someone who plays tribs and never sylvan or outlander).
To take that away by saying the outlander can't strike a trib at the captain is just wrong, imho. Rot is already a fairly sick skill and to allow multiple attempts, to be followed by a manacling and guard beat-down if you attack the guy spamming rot on you is not in the interests of game balance.
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permanewbie | Mon 08-Mar-04 09:38 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#82, "*heh*"
In response to Reply #2
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The supposition that this whole thread is based upon, is false.
A tribunal can *NOT* flag for a pk that happens at the Captain.
If this was done in the past, either:
A) There were other circumstances that were ignored or hidden or forgotten when the incident was reported.
or
B) There was a mistake.
If spire has sapling (or whatever the new item is), and outlander comes to retrieve, and attacks tribunal *AT THE CAPTAIN*, he should not be marked criminal.
However......
The law states, that if you are standing by the Captain....*AND NOT RETRIEVING* you will be warned to leave, if you do not leave in a reasonable time, you will be flagged.
So....if spire has sapling, and outlander comes to sit at the captain and doesn't attempt a retrieval but sits there for an extended period of time spamming "Murder tribunal"....then it is obvious that the outlander isn't retrieving.......So I can see the outlander being marked for that.
ALSO....
Non-criminal outlander comes to retrieve. Criminal (outlander or otherwise) is with him to help retrieve....and the Outlander is SEEN to assist the criminal avoid capture....killing special guards, healing him, singing to him, shielding him, etc......*THEN* I can see the outlander being marked...but for breaking law #3(aiding a known criminal)...not law #4(an assault on the Spire).
ALSO....
Non-criminal outlander comes to retrieve, perhaps with a friend or two. The Outer guardian falls. the outlander then initiates a strike on a tribunal. I can understand how this can be viewed as an intention to carry on the raid and take the Scales, and I can understand the Outlander getting marked.
I can come up with scenarios ALL DAY where a wanted flag is *CORRECT* but the situation lends itself to easy twisting so that the Outlander can claim...either through ignorance or forgetfullness or confusion or direct obfuscation...that he was marked *JUST* for striking a tribunal that had already struck him, during a retrieval attempt.
So I guess the moral of my post is, beware all claims on how unfair certain Law cabal policies are....because often the policy being declared unfair doesn't even exist.
"Death awaits ya all, wit nasteh big pointeh teeth!"
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#83, "agreed"
In response to Reply #3
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I've posted a number of times on this with the same argument as yourself.
However, if (which is a big if) the law was differently interpreted by a senior trib then it needs to be clarified.
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#85, "Judge for yourself.. how did I become wanted?"
In response to Reply #5
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Ok the things that are important to take note of here is that I am an outlander, and I am retriving alone. There are two fighting at this time. This time two warriors. I also have logs of fighting 5 and the said situation happening. And as an outlander I contest each flag, though I cant complain more than just to create doubt. That would not be within my rp. Now Ill not post their names as that is pointless and char assassinations.
Grurk is not the tribunal in question ither, I had just fought him and attempted to strike at him. Even though he had logged off.*blush*
<619hp 592m 654mv civilized hit tribunal1
You dodge tribunal1's pound.
You dodge tribunal1's pound.
Your bite <31mdevastates[0m the Captain of the Special Guards
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