I was just looking at the world map earlier and the cabal dynamics. Has any thought gone into making Arkham a Tribunal city and dropping Modan?

I imagine being a trib on Modan has got to be one of the most mind numbing and worst things imaginable in this day and age. However Arkham sees a good bit of action since it's located between Scarab and Outtie, not to mention is close to a number of areas that are more highly traveled than the surrounding Modan areas.

Plus I don't think this is good for Trib, I think this is good for the mud in general. More fighting, more action etc.

No city is boring for Trib provided your idea of fun isn't limited to living from one PK to the next... How about actually spending time speaking with folks (cabal mates, enemies, criminals, unafilliated strangers passing by)?

If at all we were going to make some drastic change though (e.g. dropping one city for another), I would rather we went with extending Justiciar's Network to all Magistrate ranks, also giving all Magistrates jurisdiction in all four cities (meaning no more Magistrate of Galadon/ Hamsah/ Voralian/ Seantryn - just plain Magistrate), while at the same time retaining Provincial Magistrate as a leader rank.

Any takers?

Or, to tone that down a little, we could extend Justiciar's Network to just Provincial Magistrates (instead of only Justiciar and Provost currently), while giving regular Magistrates jurisdiction in all four cities, but without benefit of Justiciar's Network...

Just get rid of trib entirely. Have the cities administered by the empire/fort.

What brand of justice do you want?

Too bad there isn't someone around who could code up a system whereby cities fall under the control of Fort or Empire based on who's winning cabal wars.

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>How about
>actually spending time speaking with folks (cabal mates,
>enemies, criminals, unafilliated strangers passing by)?

Except Seantryn is usually empty.

I like the idea of the Tribunal cabal... As it sits its really not that fun to play, most people would agree. Some of is due to imbalances in the pvp system. Sometimes it requires the player base to break laws to create some action. Or its just setup kinda wonky with the current player base size...

My other gripe is after 630 hours between two tribunal characters and roughly 8-9 months time. I've never seen a new justiciar or Vindicator while "I" "had an active" "tribunal" character. There wasn't much of a gap in there... Might as well just get rid of that stuff.

I think the cabal would be a lot more fun for the players if it were structured more like the other cabals(battle, fortress and outlander). At time of induction you chose one of two roles for your character. Chose a name of your choice but for now I will say Justiciar/provincial and Vindicators/bounty hunters. Each group should have 2 leaders, 4 total. Same amount that the cabal currently has.

I see a lot of players who just want to patrol towns. I see others who want to be vindicators but fail to ever get there... Why make it so hard, it sorta isn't but some classes suck more then others for pvp... Just make it a fun choice from the beginning. Its no different then choosing zerker or defender. MAran and the other weirdo fortress people nobody ever plays but aurew...(Aurew is awesome ).

Maybe you could impose alignment/class restrictions for each group. Good/neutral for justiciar/provincials and neutral/evil for vindicator/bounty hunters.


Justiciar/provincial whatever is basically no different then the current magistrates. Except they can patrol "any" city under tribunal jurisdiction, (player base is too small for specific locations per magistrate.) They also take on some of the current justiciar powers to help them patrol a larger area. they retain use of the tribunal pillars for transporting between cities.

Level 10 - Confiscate
Level 10 - Safeguard
Level 10 - Wanted
Level 12 - Judge
Level 15 - Guard Call
Level 15 - Vigilance
Level 16 - Informant
Level 20 - Manacles
Level 35 - Deputize
level 35 - Inquisition
Level 40 - Justiciar Network


These could be imm rewards for doing a good job, hours logged or roleplaying an epic make out session with ishuli:
Level 20 - Justiciar Badge
Level 45 - Conscription


Vindicator/bounty hunter: These guys focus on hunting criminals outside of towns, fighting cabal wars etc just as they do now. Its just something people can chose at induction time. They have a small semi #### skill list that is only meant for hunting criminals. They lose use of the tribunal pillars. They can't enter other guilds unless there is a criminal in there.

Their guards being the one thing that makes em cool.

Guard call for vindicators should be adjusted to make it more unique. Yes the current vindicator guards are slightly more unique due to them leaving towns. Seeing non warrior guards is what I am getting at. Maybe each town could offer a specific type of guard other then warriors types. These could also be imm awarded or something to. Who knows. Throwing #### out there Tribunals are comprised of people from every guild, so it would seem fitting that guards could come from other guilds sides warrior.

Level 15 - Guard Call +1 standard guard (1 total)
Level 25 - Guard Call +1 standard guard (2 total)
Level 30 - Blood Trail
Level 35 - Bloody Shackles
Level 35 - Guard Call +1 unique...mage, cleric non warrior guard (1 unique, 1 standard...2 total guards)
Level 40 - Vindicator Network
Level 45 - Guard Call +1 unique...mage, cleric non warrior guard (2 unique guards possible, 2 guards total.)


Imm rewarded power:
Level 20 - Vindicator Insignia
Level 45 - Stalker yes bring back stalkers...that was a thing yes? I can't remember.


justiciar/provincials get paid for being on duty like they currently are. Vindicator/bounty hunters only get paid for killing criminals. 100 gold a kill or something, some level based value etc..

Justi's/provi's can only raid baron and outlander. Vindi hunters can raid any cabal and not lose powers.

Side note:

Justiciar and vindicator network...

They level of fun that was added with justiciar and vindicator network was rather interesting. It amplified my love of the cabal by 500% as provost. I would assume any other tribunal player would have the same fun experience with it to. Its unfortunate most people will never experience it.

I get the points about having Trib right up on Scarab's door. That's pretty valid. I do wish/wonder/hope that there was a way to make Modan placement not suck so hard.

I'd rather find a reason to move Outlander onto the Seatryn continent if we opted to try and do something like this.

Sounds solid.

Get it? Cuz even though sylvan != outlander, sylvan = oultnader.

I like it in theory, but if you pay attention to the descriptions around Arkham, the place is under a constant state of siege by nightmare creatures. It is loosely based around Lovecraft/Cthulhu after all. I don't see how Tribunal could move in and protect the citizens without a complete rewrite of the city so it could actually be considered a "safe" place for the citizens.

That, plus it would also change the dynamics between the Trib/outlander war by putting them so close that it would essentially be both sides continually taking the laziest route to try to trap/bait/fight each other.

This holds a lot of my concerns lore wise, but I'll also add that I don't like the fact that the Scarab cabal would literally be door-to-door with a Trib-dominated area. Those poor cultists need at least a little bit of space to march around and yell "MY WILL! MY WILL! I WILL IT! WILL YOU? NO, I WILL!". Seems strange to put Trib right up on them.

-Ish

make it a Trib outpost, no pillar to teleport back and forth from, and call it a day

if anything , having to use the pillar at hamsah and cross the ocean means more engagement

Not being a Trib player I don't really know how the intercity teleport works or if there are limitations to its use, but in general it just seems too convenient for Tribs (not only in this case if Arkham were made a Trib city). I say have Tribs walk between cities like everyone else and thus more possibility for action.

As for the suggestion otherwise, I think the main issue is having Scarab in Arkham, which could be solved by moving them say to the old Scion location.

Considering the non-Vindicator, non-Provost Magistrates all have no PK-relevant powers that apply outside the cities, all these walking Tribs essentially then become uncaballed prey for Outlanders/ Barons/ disgruntled current and ex-convicts... As things stand, the intercity teleport already does not work if (1) the Scales are missing, and (2) a Magistrate's adrenaline is still flowing from a PK engagement. Hope you can agree/ understand that is plenty? If not then I would suggest all non-Vindicator, non-Provost Magistrates also get guards that follow them about outside the cities

Mmm, get ready then for a massive spike in number of generic Reaver-disguised-as-Sentinel water shifters - yummy little Tribby shrimplets, buffet! Hehe!

NT