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AbernyteThu 15-Aug-13 02:28 PM
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#50806, "Altruism"


          

A few people have spoken about it, the perpetual out of range help available when there are several acolytes on at one time.

Fighting someone of even ability/level or even lower ability gets turned on it's head by Acolytes, seemingly, spamming altruism on that person with all their might.

I would never say acolytes are overpowered but the willy-nilly use of Altruism, I think, could do with a little tweak.

Having just finished the WoT series on Holiday I had a thought about Aes Sedai healing and altruism.

Could it be made to draw on the energy of the recipient a little to make acolytes more thoughtful about who to, when and how often they use it on lowbies.

Maybe make it take a percentage of mv/mana or both.

Just a thought.

  

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Reply Not nearly as dangerous as most other out of range cont..., Vortex Magus, 17-Aug-13 09:37 AM, #16
Reply RE: Altruism, Illanthos, 16-Aug-13 11:13 AM, #13
Reply It's more of the pendulum problem again., Murphy, 16-Aug-13 03:07 AM, #7
Reply Pendulum is stuck., Scrimbul, 16-Aug-13 07:53 AM, #8
Reply Nope., Tsunami, 16-Aug-13 09:57 AM, #9
     Reply It's stuck back on fort, KaguMaru, 16-Aug-13 10:53 AM, #10
          Reply Aye, but it did move., Tsunami, 16-Aug-13 10:56 AM, #12
               Reply I think it's self-reinforcing though., KaguMaru, 16-Aug-13 12:19 PM, #14
Reply Evil Empowerment options are still thin on the ground, ..., KaguMaru, 16-Aug-13 10:55 AM, #11
Reply Hahaha, you just complained about altruism. n/t, Lhydia, 15-Aug-13 07:56 PM, #4
Reply I admit this was also my reaction n/t, Daevryn, 15-Aug-13 08:21 PM, #5
Reply Not so much the power, the usage., Abernyte, 17-Aug-13 05:39 AM, #15
     Reply So you get an out of range pk rather than in range pk, ..., Leaf, 17-Aug-13 10:41 AM, #17
          Reply Yes, there is, incognito, 20-Aug-13 07:23 AM, #19
Reply +1 , highbutterfly, 20-Aug-13 01:42 AM, #18
Reply RE: Altruism, Retan, 15-Aug-13 06:58 PM, #2
Reply The best., Tsunami, 15-Aug-13 07:42 PM, #3
     Reply RE: The best., Retan, 15-Aug-13 09:23 PM, #6
Reply :) Try playing one you'll see the down side., Bajula, 15-Aug-13 06:40 PM, #1

Vortex MagusSat 17-Aug-13 09:36 AM
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#50857, "Not nearly as dangerous as most other out of range cont..."
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Edited on Sat 17-Aug-13 09:37 AM

          

out of range tribunal guards, centurions, bioempathy, healers, transmuters, invokers, and even conjies can all threaten me as much, if not more, than altruism. At least altruism comes with some potentially dangerous side effects, unlike the ones available from other classes.

  

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IllanthosFri 16-Aug-13 11:13 AM
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#50843, "RE: Altruism"
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Altruism already does this. All of the negative effects and hp damage that the recipient was suffering from gets transferred to the Acolyte.

There are several ways to make altruism more cumbersome to use. Do your research.

  

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MurphyFri 16-Aug-13 03:07 AM
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#50824, "It's more of the pendulum problem again."
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I.e. there are too many acolytes/forties. I've seen the same thing with imperial healers.

  

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ScrimbulFri 16-Aug-13 07:53 AM
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#50827, "Pendulum is stuck."
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While the other cabals continue to have their usual ebb and flow, Fortress has had it's current population for two straight years now.

  

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TsunamiFri 16-Aug-13 09:57 AM
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#50837, "Nope."
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Somewhere between 25-50% of Aster's life was being the only Fortress member on. The rest was having one, two more tops. Cabalwars command is nice and all, but don't consider it accurate.

  

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KaguMaruFri 16-Aug-13 10:53 AM
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#50840, "It's stuck back on fort"
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There was a sweet spot for Empire between Tolgrumm's death and Kraldinor's, but it's back to the way I remember it for most of my tenure in CF. The metrics in cabalwars are accurate, they only need be interpreted correctly.

  

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TsunamiFri 16-Aug-13 10:56 AM
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#50842, "Aye, but it did move."
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Indicating it wasn't "stuck." It's back on Fort and for the last year+ has leaned heavily towards Fort most times, but can't say it is "stuck" if it just recently moved for a good couple months.

  

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KaguMaruFri 16-Aug-13 12:19 PM
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#50844, "I think it's self-reinforcing though."
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It's hard to see any evil heroes outside of scion air/offense shifters enjoying much success in this environment.

  

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KaguMaruFri 16-Aug-13 10:55 AM
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#50841, "Evil Empowerment options are still thin on the ground, ..."
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This includes far more than just healers.

I understand evil Empowerment is being addressed, but it's going to be a while before anything comes of it I fear.

  

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LhydiaThu 15-Aug-13 07:56 PM
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#50814, "Hahaha, you just complained about altruism. n/t"
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gr

  

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DaevrynThu 15-Aug-13 08:21 PM
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#50816, "I admit this was also my reaction n/t"
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AbernyteSat 17-Aug-13 05:39 AM
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#50855, "Not so much the power, the usage."
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but, you know, enjoy your giggles.

  

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LeafSat 17-Aug-13 10:41 AM
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#50858, "So you get an out of range pk rather than in range pk, ..."
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I know this because I've called altruism at least a thousand times over the course of many characters and even my healers have died to it. There are serious drawbacks to the power.

Is there any other power in the game that a cabal member can use and die from using? I suppose you can argue bloodthirst, but I won't pay attention to that. If you come up with any others let me know. I just hope my thumbs don't disappear while I twiddle them.

Ignorance is bliss, and I know too many happy people.

  

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incognitoTue 20-Aug-13 07:23 AM
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#50911, "Yes, there is"
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Unless you weren't aware that despoil can knock you out for a few hours.

  

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highbutterflyTue 20-Aug-13 01:42 AM
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#50906, "+1 "
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n/t

  

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RetanThu 15-Aug-13 06:58 PM
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#50812, "RE: Altruism"
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What is the WoT series? I just got a Kindle Fire HD and need some book ideas.

  

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TsunamiThu 15-Aug-13 07:42 PM
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#50813, "The best."
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That's what.

Wheel of Time series.

First book: Eye of the World.

Prepare for awesome.

  

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RetanThu 15-Aug-13 09:23 PM
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#50822, "RE: The best."
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Thanks. I will look it up, and prepare.... for amazement....

  

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BajulaThu 15-Aug-13 06:40 PM
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#50811, ":) Try playing one you'll see the down side."
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As a hero helping in lowbie fights sure spamming it wins the day,
In most other situations, or if there is anyone around that can
harm the acolyte it can be oh so bad. Also look into how many
acolytes altruism themselves to death.
In the end just play one and see for yourself, while you might still
feel it needs to be tweaked, i'm almost 100% sure you will have a
slightly different view. Might as well make out of range healers
unable to cast spells. They might only be able to cure one thing
at a time, but they also do not suffer the effects.
If you want to tweak something you'd kind of have to make it where
any out of range aid of any kind would be less effective.

  

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